From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 1 10:19:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05955; Sun, 1 May 94 10:19:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16028; Sun, 1 May 94 09:55:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from guava.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16022; Sun, 1 May 94 09:55:03 -0700 Received: by guava.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA14894; Sun, 1 May 94 11:52:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 11:52:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "g.h.chinoy" Subject: Re: pine documentation To: Alex Tang Cc: Gerhard Winkler , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Pine Tech docs are in .ps format and they're in the pine.tar.Z distribution. Sincerely, Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NeXTstep, Washington University in St. Louis baby hussain@artsci.wustl.edu On Sat, 30 Apr 1994, Alex Tang wrote: > On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Gerhard Winkler wrote: > > > I can remember a Pine documentation in PostScript format > > I printed in november 1993. > > I lost the pointer to it. > > Does someone know where to get it ... ? > > I don't know which one you're talking about, but I have some if you want > to take a look. they're in > > ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.Hqx > (this is a mac MS Word 5.1 doc) > > and: > ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.ps > (a ps version of the same doc). > > hope that this helps. > > ...alex... > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 1 10:28:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06079; Sun, 1 May 94 10:28:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16301; Sun, 1 May 94 10:12:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from swix.nvg.unit.no by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16295; Sun, 1 May 94 10:12:30 -0700 Received: from 129.241.163.240 by swix.nvg.unit.no with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id for ; Sun, 1 May 94 19:12 +0200 Received: by trondviggo.nvg.unit.no (smallmail 0.9.11); Sun, 1 May 1994 19:12:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:12:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: RFC1522, and elm-style sent-mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Two questions: 1. Is Pine going to encode its headers according to RFC1522 any time soon? I could give you code to encode a header, but I'm not going to wade into Pine to find out where to insert the calls to it. 2. Pine does not currently offer the "fcc by first recipient"-style save elm offers, and it doesn't seem easy to add without knowledge of Pine. Do you think it's a bad idea? Regarding the comp.mail.pine creation, if anyone had problems with getting mail to vote@lm.com, you can try again now, some problems have been fixed. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 1 23:49:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12419; Sun, 1 May 94 23:49:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13140; Sun, 1 May 94 23:33:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13134; Sun, 1 May 94 23:33:08 -0700 Received: by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA00865; Mon, 2 May 94 08:33:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:33:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Spohn Subject: behavior of cursor keys To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Pine Team, one of our users complained that he cannot use the cursor keys of his notebook inside pine. For example, when he is composing a message with pico cursor-left gives "t" cursor-right gives "v" cursor-up gives "x" cursor-down gives "r" However in other applications the cursor keys behave as they should. Can you please help us with some hints? Thanks Martin Spohn Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Telefon: +49 7071 29-6970 (Fax: -5912) Abteilung Netze E-Mail: Universitaet Tuebingen SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Brunnenstrasse 27 X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn D-72074 Tuebingen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 03:13:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15146; Mon, 2 May 94 03:13:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29700; Mon, 2 May 94 02:56:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29694; Mon, 2 May 94 02:56:09 -0700 Received: from apus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.2] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pxujE-000BzMC; Mon, 2 May 94 10:55 BST Received: by apus.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pxujD-0004YBC; Mon, 2 May 94 10:55 BST Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:55:54 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Ken Brown In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > The short version is that imap is good, and Pine is good, and if you > can't use Pine, use another imap client. Here's their recomendations > on a platform basis: > > Macintosh: Mailstrom > DOS: PC-Pine > Windows: ECS-Mail > Unix chatacter cell: Pine > VMS character cell: None (although this was before > PMDF came with VMS Pine) But it should be noted that:- a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does NOT include Mailstrom. As a result, despite the user interface being very nice, we have been forced to discontinue recommending Mailstrom to our MAC users. We have no second best at present, though we do have POP customers using Eudora (also not 100% satisfactory). I believe that ECS-mail either has or will have a MAC client. b) ECS-mail is expensive, and PINE and Mailstrom are free. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 08:23:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20519; Mon, 2 May 94 08:23:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04677; Mon, 2 May 94 08:01:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from riscy.scott-scott.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04671; Mon, 2 May 94 08:01:37 -0700 Received: from [192.152.12.66] by riscy.scott-scott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15485; Mon, 2 May 1994 07:59:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:01:10 PDT From: Donald Bird Subject: Resubscribe to Pine-Info To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: dbird@rwbeck.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 08:56:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22099; Mon, 2 May 94 08:56:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05391; Mon, 2 May 94 08:34:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from duke.usask.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05385; Mon, 2 May 94 08:34:46 -0700 Received: by duke.usask.ca; id AA02642; Mon, 2 May 1994 09:34:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 09:34:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: Barry Landy Cc: Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > > But it should be noted that:- > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > NOT include Mailstrom. Our Mac person here has been experimenting with beta copies, which seem to work OK (I don't know much about it). > b) ECS-mail is expensive, and PINE and Mailstrom are free. I was told the Windows version was only $24 (CND), which I thought to be quite reasonable. It's not as good as free (and I do like Pine better), but for people who want a native Windows mail reader, it's a goo, inexpensive product. (My opinion). - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, Client Services Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Department of Computing Services University of Saskatchewan My AMAZING Web Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not the only person who uses his computer mainly for the purpose of diddling with his computer." - Dave Barry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 09:18:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23915; Mon, 2 May 94 09:18:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05728; Mon, 2 May 94 08:47:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05722; Mon, 2 May 94 08:47:12 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04354; Mon, 2 May 94 08:45:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Barry Landy Cc: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" , Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > But it should be noted that:- > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > NOT include Mailstrom. There is a recent addition to the set of available Mac IMAP clients. It's called "Mail Drop". From the file /mail/imap.software on ftp.cac.washington.edu here is the contact info: Baylor University: (Mail Drop) FTP: ackmo.baylor.edu: /pub/bell/Mail_Drop MailDrop-Comments@baylor.edu It is very simple, but from the few tests I performed seemed to be stable. MIME support is not there yet, but promised. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 10:59:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27199; Mon, 2 May 94 10:59:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08086; Mon, 2 May 94 10:20:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08080; Mon, 2 May 94 10:20:57 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09711; Mon, 2 May 94 10:20:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Problem compiling pine on Solaris 2.3 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The "important" message is "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename This can be resolved by adding "-Dconst=" to the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sol, then rebuilding. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 30 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > I have successfully ported pine to HP-UX 8.0 on an HP 400 box, and SunOS 4.1.2 > on a SUN 630mp. I am now trying to port to Solaris 2.3, but have received the > errors shown below my signature. If anyone could help me figure out what I > should do next (not being a programmer, but having some C knowledge) I would be > very grateful. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "A job ain't nothing but work" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Mo Money ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Script started on Sat Apr 30 11:47:12 1994manilla:.../src/pine3.89# build sol > build: not found > manilla:.../src/pine3.89# ./build sol > make args are "CC=cc" > > Making c-client library and mtest > rm -f osdep.h > ln os_sv4.h osdep.h > cc -g -Dconst= -c mtest.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c mail.c > "mail.c", line 1142: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c bezerk.c > "bezerk.c", line 1055: warning: argument #1 is incompatible with prototype: > prototype: pointer to long : "/usr/include/time.h", line 68 > argument : pointer to ulong > "bezerk.c", line 2265: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c tenex2.c > "tenex2.c", line 1966: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c mbox.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c mh.c > "mh.c", line 1355: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c imap2.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c news.c > "news.c", line 1550: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c nntpclient.c > "nntpclient.c", line 1524: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c phile.c > "phile.c", line 1256: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -g -Dconst= -c dummy.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c smtp.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c nntp.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c rfc822.c > cc -g -Dconst= -c misc.c > cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" -c os_sv4.c > "os_sv4.c", line 294: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > mv os_sv4.o osdep.o > cc -g -Dconst= -c sm_unix.c > rm -f c-client.a > ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \ > nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \ > sm_unix.o > echo -g -Dconst= > CFLAGS > echo -lsocket -lnsl -lgen > LDFLAGS > cc -g -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a -lsocket -lnsl -lgen > > Making Imapd > cd ../c-client;make > `mtest' is up to date. > cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c > "imapd.c", line 880: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` > > Making Pico > rm -f osdep.c > cp os_unix.c osdep.c > rm -f osdep.h > cp os_unix.h osdep.h > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O attach.c > "attach.c", line 246: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "attach.c", line 258: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "attach.c", line 271: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "attach.c", line 864: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O ansi.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O basic.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O bind.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O browse.c > "browse.c", line 1572: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O buffer.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O composer.c > "composer.c", line 690: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 714: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 963: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 1084: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 1233: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "composer.c", line 1380: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O display.c > "display.c", line 947: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 949: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 960: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 974: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 998: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "display.c", line 1283: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O file.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O fileio.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O line.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O osdep.c > "osdep.c", line 1100: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "osdep.c", line 1125: warning: semantics of "<=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "osdep.c", line 1503: warning: argument #2 is incompatible with prototype: > prototype: pointer to function(int) returning void : "/usr/include/signal.h", line 64 > argument : pointer to function(void) returning void > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O pico.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O random.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O region.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O search.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O spell.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O tinfo.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O window.c > cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O word.c > ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tinfo.o window.o word.o > ar: creating libpico.a > true libpico.a > cc5.sol -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL main.c libpico.a -ltermlib -o pico > sh: cc5.sol: not found > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pico' > > Making Pine. > rm -f os.h > ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h > ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h > cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c > "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename > current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int > previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 112 > "addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > "addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors > cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c > *** Error code 2 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' > > Links to executables are in bin directory: > size: bin/pine: cannot open > bin/mtest: 384248 + 19976 + 1368 = 405592 > bin/imapd: 375080 + 20368 + 9340 = 404788 > size: bin/pico: cannot open > Done > manilla:.../src/pine3.89# ^D > script done on Sat Apr 30 11:51:32 1994 > script done on Sat Apr 30 11:51:32 1994 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 11:00:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27329; Mon, 2 May 94 11:00:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24632; Mon, 2 May 94 10:25:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24626; Mon, 2 May 94 10:25:42 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09907; Mon, 2 May 94 10:25:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: RFC1522, and elm-style sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII RFC1522 support is working its way up our list and we have some code, but more is always welcome. Fcc configurability is also on the short-list. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 1 May 1994, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Two questions: > > 1. Is Pine going to encode its headers according to RFC1522 any time > soon? I could give you code to encode a header, but I'm not going to > wade into Pine to find out where to insert the calls to it. > > 2. Pine does not currently offer the "fcc by first recipient"-style save > elm offers, and it doesn't seem easy to add without knowledge of Pine. Do > you think it's a bad idea? > > Regarding the comp.mail.pine creation, if anyone had problems with getting > mail to vote@lm.com, you can try again now, some problems have been fixed. > > --Arnt > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 13:15:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02603; Mon, 2 May 94 13:15:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28416; Mon, 2 May 94 12:58:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28402; Mon, 2 May 94 12:58:07 -0700 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01304; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:41 -0700 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01298; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:38 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28366; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:34 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14230; Mon, 2 May 94 12:55:33 -0700 Reply-To: vote@lm.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 12:55:28 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: CFV: comp.mail.pine X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.mail.pine Newsgroups line: comp.mail.pine The PINE mail user agent. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC May 13 1994 This CFV will be sent to the pine-info and pine-announce mailing lists. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact peterb@lm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Arnt Gulbrandsen . CHARTER This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred to other, more appropriate newsgroups. The group is not moderated. To be made moderated, the same procedure should be followed as for the creation of a new group at that time. The group is bidirectionally gatewayed to the mailing list pine-info@cac.washington.edu. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: vote@lm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.mail.pine I vote NO on comp.mail.pine You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 16:32:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08370; Mon, 2 May 94 16:32:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03478; Mon, 2 May 94 16:20:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun.lclark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03472; Mon, 2 May 94 16:20:49 -0700 Received: by lclark.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11661; Mon, 2 May 94 16:20:46 PDT Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 16:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Miller Reply-To: John Miller Subject: Mac Pine client To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'd like to underscore the need for a Mac IMAP client. Pleae comment on: What do the folks at UW use? Must be unix pine via telnet?? Can we get any better status information on Mailstrom 2.0 and/or Pine 3.8x? I've seen Mailstrom 2.0 and it had a nice look & feel, but crashed. Mark Crispin should be encouraged by the fact that many would be pleased as punch to just have a key-stroke driven mac version.. i.e no need to do massive re-design (seriously). What about using a cross-platform environment with the motif version to elicit a mac version?? Mail_Drop crashes on launch on my Mac II running System 6.0.8. :^( Help! People here are testing Pegasus! :^) Using unix pine from Mac is crazy man! (I use unix pine in IMAP mode) John Miller 503-768-7225 (@ Lewis & Clark College, no relation to David Miller) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 19:20:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12221; Mon, 2 May 94 19:20:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19343; Mon, 2 May 94 19:09:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19337; Mon, 2 May 94 19:09:16 -0700 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA22235; Mon, 2 May 1994 21:14:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 21:14:32 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding imap Mac mail clients ... is there a general consensus about the accuracy of Barry's Lany's comments about Mailstrom. This is the first I had heard of problems with its imap implementation. Although this is a pine list (and the Pine team does a fantastic job of providing information such as Terry Gray's recent mention of an addition to the Mac imap agents) I'd like a little more background on Mailstrom problems. I'd be especially interested in hearing from campuses who have used Mailstrom. Dan > On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > But it should be noted that:- > > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > > NOT include Mailstrom. > > There is a recent addition to the set of available Mac IMAP clients. It's > called "Mail Drop". From the file /mail/imap.software on > ftp.cac.washington.edu here is the contact info: > > Baylor University: (Mail Drop) > FTP: ackmo.baylor.edu: /pub/bell/Mail_Drop > MailDrop-Comments@baylor.edu > > It is very simple, but from the few tests I performed seemed to be stable. > MIME support is not there yet, but promised. > > -teg > -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 2 19:29:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12365; Mon, 2 May 94 19:29:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19495; Mon, 2 May 94 19:19:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19489; Mon, 2 May 94 19:19:19 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00103; Mon, 2 May 94 19:19:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: John Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mac Pine client In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, John Miller wrote: > I'd like to underscore the need for a Mac IMAP client. Macs are certainly the biggest hole in the IMAP tapestry... > Pleae comment on: > > What do the folks at UW use? Must be unix pine via telnet?? A mixture of things. Some do indeed use NCSA Telnet to connect to a Unix host and run Pine. Others have had fair success with Mailstrom on certain platforms. > Can we get any better status information on Mailstrom 2.0 and/or Pine 3.8x? I have heard nothing from Adam Treister, Mailstrom's author, in quite a few months, but I am not on the mailstrom email lists. While not relevant to the Mac problem, the next release of Pine will be version 3.90 and we are still hoping for Beta "by late Spring". > I've seen Mailstrom 2.0 and it had a nice look & feel, but crashed. > Mark Crispin should be encouraged by the fact that many would be pleased > as punch to just have a key-stroke driven mac version.. i.e no need to do > massive re-design (seriously). Just for clarification for those who don't know: Mark has nothing to do with Mailstrom, other than providing imap technical assistance to Adam... However Mark did express interest in porting Pine to his Mac in his spare time, but I don't think he's had a chance to pursue this lately. > What about using a cross-platform environment with the motif version to > elicit a mac version?? I'm sure there is merit in this approach, but there are some alligators to watch out for as well. > Mail_Drop crashes on launch on my Mac II running System 6.0.8. :^( Sigh... > Help! People here are testing Pegasus! :^) And that on a Mac!? > Using unix pine from Mac is crazy man! (I use unix pine in IMAP mode) What can I say? We can't do everything... Know any Mac gurus looking for a project? -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 3 08:53:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25079; Tue, 3 May 94 08:53:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19394; Tue, 3 May 94 08:32:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19386; Tue, 3 May 94 08:32:32 -0700 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <19345-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 3 May 1994 16:31:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:31:52 BST From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: bl10@imap.cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 May 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > On Mon, 2 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > > > > But it should be noted that:- > > a) Mailstrom is a TOTAL disaster - it does *not* obey proper IMAP > > comventions, and is maintained part-time by someone whose actual job does > > NOT include Mailstrom. > > Our Mac person here has been experimenting with beta copies, which > seem to work OK (I don't know much about it). > I dont think this is the place to flame Mailstrom. We struggled for 9 months to provide a proper service, and as the result of a number of different problems, and after a lot of work, we decided we could not spare any further effort to a lost cause - and yes, we did try (several) beta versions. The killer for us is the unofficial nature of the product, so that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. > > b) ECS-mail is expensive, and PINE and Mailstrom are free. > > I was told the Windows version was only $24 (CND), which I thought yes, about $20 per seat. A lot of seats = a lot of money. A site licence was quoted at abut 20,000. For UK readers, I understand that CHEST are licensing it. > to be quite reasonable. It's not as good as free (and I do like > Pine better), but for people who want a native Windows mail > reader, it's a goo, inexpensive product. (My opinion). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 3 17:09:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11133; Tue, 3 May 94 17:09:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13736; Tue, 3 May 94 16:57:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13730; Tue, 3 May 94 16:57:17 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24368; Tue, 3 May 94 16:57:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Eric Jaron Stieglitz , Mike Roch Cc: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: several messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Summary: Projected date for Pine 3.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The current "best guess" on Pine 3.90 is still "late spring." The most optimistic estimate is the end of this month. I won't speculate on a pessimistic estimate ;) |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 3 May 1994, Eric Jaron Stieglitz wrote: > > This isn't really a bug, but I can't seem to find another address to > send this to. I've noticed that pine3.89 appears to be the latest version > of pine. When is the ETA for version 3.90? > > -Eric > On Sun, 3 Apr 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > Sherry, > > > > The final feature-list for Pine 3.9x is still a moving target. Some of > > > : > > --DLM > > Any estimate on Sherry's key question - "when?" > > Mike > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 07:39:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25142; Wed, 4 May 94 07:39:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27884; Wed, 4 May 94 07:21:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from acad.csv.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27878; Wed, 4 May 94 07:21:10 -0700 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA04864; Wed, 4 May 94 10:22:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lisa M. Frye" Subject: Case sensitive addresses To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This may not be the proper list for this question but I was not sure where else to post it. Since upgrading to a new OS, e-mail addresses to our site have been case sensitive. If the user name is not in all lowercase letters, the mail is not deliverable. My sendmail.cf file does NOT have the F=u option for local mail (the Mlocal line). I cannot find any other reference to case sensitivity in my Sendmail books. It appears that unless F=u is specified, the address should be converted to all lower-case for the rules. Is it then my system that is refusing the mail (outside of sendmail)? Or am I missing something in the sendmail.cf file? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance :-) Lisa Frye frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474 Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634 "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 09:09:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28418; Wed, 4 May 94 09:09:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29537; Wed, 4 May 94 08:46:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29531; Wed, 4 May 94 08:46:03 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA01019; Wed, 4 May 94 08:48:02 -0700 From: James R Buck Message-Id: <9405041548.AA01019@atc.boeing.com> Subject: subscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-announce@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 4 May 94 8:48:01 PDT Reply-To: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" X-Time: Wednesday, May 04, 1994 08:48:01 AM PDT X-Info: Issaquah, WA, USA; Bd. 7-359 12N4; MS 7P-CP; FAX: (206) 965-6110 Organization: BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] subscribe pine Jim Buck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 11:23:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04191; Wed, 4 May 94 11:23:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22437; Wed, 4 May 94 11:07:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from agency.resource.ca.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22431; Wed, 4 May 94 11:07:27 -0700 Received: by agency.resource.ca.gov; id AA26102; Wed, 4 May 1994 11:09:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Subject: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system. The form that we use is: @mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running OSF/1. We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a problem. We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this address differently, and what solutions may be available. We very much like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages through pine. ----------------------------------------------------- John Jewell California Research Bureau / California State Library Phone: (916) 322-0262 / Fax: (916) 322-0665 Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 12:00:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05791; Wed, 4 May 94 12:00:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04356; Wed, 4 May 94 11:46:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04350; Wed, 4 May 94 11:46:18 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16929; Wed, 4 May 94 11:46:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, To be a valid source-routed address, you need to enclose the whole thing in "<>", i.e. <@mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet> You can also try the form user%node.bitnet@mailhost.berkeley.edu which I believe is the preferred form on the Internet. I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 4 May 1994, John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov) wrote: > > > We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to > bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in > Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system. The > form that we use is: > > @mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet > > Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to > be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running > OSF/1. We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a > problem. > > We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this > address differently, and what solutions may be available. We very much > like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages > through pine. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > John Jewell > California Research Bureau / California State Library > Phone: (916) 322-0262 / Fax: (916) 322-0665 > Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov > ----------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 12:17:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06258; Wed, 4 May 94 12:17:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23924; Wed, 4 May 94 12:01:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23918; Wed, 4 May 94 12:01:57 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28293; Wed, 4 May 94 12:01:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try user%node.bitnet@mailhost.berkeley.edu -teg On Wed, 4 May 1994, John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov) wrote: > > > We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to > bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in > Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system. The > form that we use is: > > @mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet > > Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to > be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running > OSF/1. We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a > problem. > > We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this > address differently, and what solutions may be available. We very much > like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages > through pine. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > John Jewell > California Research Bureau / California State Library > Phone: (916) 322-0262 / Fax: (916) 322-0665 > Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov > ----------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 12:36:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06707; Wed, 4 May 94 12:36:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24136; Wed, 4 May 94 12:11:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24130; Wed, 4 May 94 12:11:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27758; Wed, 4 May 1994 12:11:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199405041911.MAA27758@weber.ucsd.edu> To: "Lisa M. Frye" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Case sensitive addresses In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 May 1994 10:22:10 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <27751.768078696.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 04 May 1994 12:11:37 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" You are correct. The deletion of F=u should be sufficient to allow mail sent to any case to be deliverable. There is nothing else in sendmail.cf. If you recently removed F=u - did you refreeze sendmail.cf (sendmail -bz) ? You could post to the newsgroup comp.mail.sendmail (along with a fuller problem description e.g. the error message from sendmail,OS). That would be a more knowledgeable arena for this problem. -mike > > This may not be the proper list for this question but I was not sure > where else to post it. Since upgrading to a new OS, e-mail addresses to > our site have been case sensitive. If the user name is not in all > lowercase letters, the mail is not deliverable. My sendmail.cf file does > NOT have the F=u option for local mail (the Mlocal line). I cannot find > any other reference to case sensitivity in my Sendmail books. It appears > that unless F=u is specified, the address should be converted to all > lower-case for the rules. Is it then my system that is refusing the mail > (outside of sendmail)? Or am I missing something in the sendmail.cf > file? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance :-) > > > > Lisa Frye frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 > Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474 > Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634 > > "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 14:12:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10056; Wed, 4 May 94 14:12:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26720; Wed, 4 May 94 13:56:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from aldus.northnet.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26714; Wed, 4 May 94 13:56:03 -0700 Received: by Aldus.NorthNet.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00281; Wed, 4 May 94 16:59:40 EDT Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 16:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas J. Blauvelt" Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 14:40:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10957; Wed, 4 May 94 14:40:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27489; Wed, 4 May 94 14:26:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27483; Wed, 4 May 94 14:26:09 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18061; Wed, 4 May 94 14:26:07 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 04 May 94 23:25:24+0200 Date: 04 May 94 23:25:24+0200 From: Thomas J. Blauvelt Message-Id: <674726*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , PINE mailing list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 16:15:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14010; Wed, 4 May 94 16:15:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10742; Wed, 4 May 94 16:01:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10736; Wed, 4 May 94 16:01:11 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pypw9-0007HjC; Wed, 4 May 94 16:01 PDT Received: from asl5 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA05838; Wed, 4 May 1994 15:38:22 -0700 Received: by asl5.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA08612; Wed, 4 May 1994 15:35:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: finger capabilities? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name without actually EXITING pine. This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using "suspend") B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 4 19:59:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18250; Wed, 4 May 94 19:59:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04385; Wed, 4 May 94 19:48:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04371; Wed, 4 May 94 19:47:42 -0700 Received: from mimsy.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) with UUCP id AA23560; Wed, 4 May 94 22:21:37 EDT Received: from localhost by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04970; Wed, 4 May 1994 22:21:08 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwomx25633; Wed, 4 May 94 21:48:48 -0400 Received: from moore by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <91289-1>; Wed, 4 May 1994 21:48:21 -0400 Received: by moore.com (4.1/smail2.5/01-12-90) id AA06615; Wed, 4 May 94 21:47:01 EDT Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 21:46:58 -0400 From: Paul Maclauchlan Reply-To: Paul Maclauchlan Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > without actually EXITING pine. I think this need would be better satisfied with a global address book / directory service. It is the most glaring missing feature of PINE. > This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can > shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using > "suspend") PINE is very good at keeping users away from the operating system, and adding shell escapes would be a mistake. -- .../Paul Maclauchlan Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul "When you look up through the wire...do you count the stars at night?"/EJ&BT'85 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 00:17:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21550; Thu, 5 May 94 00:17:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18774; Thu, 5 May 94 00:00:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18768; Thu, 5 May 94 00:00:39 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pyxQD-00053mC; Thu, 5 May 94 00:00 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA12915; Wed, 4 May 1994 23:42:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Paul Maclauchlan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 May 1994, Paul Maclauchlan wrote: > > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > > without actually EXITING pine. > > I think this need would be better satisfied with a global address book / > directory service. It is the most glaring missing feature of PINE. This would be a definite plus...no doubt there. > > > This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can > > shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using > > "suspend") > > PINE is very good at keeping users away from the operating system, and > adding shell escapes would be a mistake. If it were a "compilable" option maybe? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 01:16:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22510; Thu, 5 May 94 01:16:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09376; Thu, 5 May 94 01:01:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09370; Thu, 5 May 94 01:01:12 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <18359-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 May 1994 09:00:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 09:00:46 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 804 On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > without actually EXITING pine. finger, (perhaps tucked away in the addressbook - f key "spare" at the moment,) would be very useful for us too. [BTW finger at our site (many Suns running YP) can take about a minute to report given a surname - does this square with others' experience?] Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 04:24:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25698; Thu, 5 May 94 04:24:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11777; Thu, 5 May 94 03:53:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from livbird.liv.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11771; Thu, 5 May 94 03:53:20 -0700 Received: from liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk by liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk via Local channel id <21418-0@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 May 1994 11:53:05 +0100 Subject: local & remote folders (2nd attempt) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:53:04 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 531 From: Alan Thew Message-Id: <"liverbird..420:05.04.94.10.53.06"@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk> On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 12:15:33 +0100 (BST) I wrote: > On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should > be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other > (usually local). Is this a bug or feature? > ... Sorry to repeat the question but this is something that is important to us. My apologies if the answer has gone astray. Thank you. -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 08:59:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00843; Thu, 5 May 94 08:59:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26927; Thu, 5 May 94 08:30:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26921; Thu, 5 May 94 08:30:44 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pz5Nq-00081YC; Thu, 5 May 94 08:30 PDT Received: from asl5 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA18888; Thu, 5 May 1994 08:14:37 -0700 Received: by asl5.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA10962; Thu, 5 May 1994 08:11:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: local & remote folders (2nd attempt) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <"liverbird..420:05.04.94.10.53.06"@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, Alan Thew wrote: > On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 12:15:33 +0100 (BST) I wrote: > > On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should > > be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other > > (usually local). Is this a bug or feature? > > > ... > Sorry to repeat the question but this is something that is important > to us. My apologies if the answer has gone astray. Not sure what you mean by one or the other, but on our system, the way I found I had to get multiple inbound folders available was by setting .pinerc to 444 before firing up pine....otherwise it would keep losing the comma after the first inbox :( But to get the remote inboxes was simply: # inbox-path specifies the name/path/location of your INBOX. Example: # inbox-path={carson.u.washington.edu}inbox (INBOX on a remote computer) # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /user/spool/mail/$USER) inbox-path= # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive # email on several different machines. # Example: # incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help, # Widget-Project {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-widget, # Old-Student-Acct {imap.berkeley.edu}inbox incoming-folders=ASL4 {asl4}INBOX, ASL3 {asl3}INBOX Where asl3 and asl4 are hosts on our network. Good luck. Hope that helps. It certainly is a great feature. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 09:05:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01533; Thu, 5 May 94 09:05:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17040; Thu, 5 May 94 08:39:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17034; Thu, 5 May 94 08:39:56 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13111; Thu, 5 May 94 08:39:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Alan Thew Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: local & remote folders (2nd attempt) In-Reply-To: <"liverbird..420:05.04.94.10.53.06"@liverbird.liverpool.ac.uk> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alan, Yes, you can have both local and remote folders. Can you send a copy of a .pinerc file you have configured for both, but is failing? Sorry about the delay! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 5 May 1994, Alan Thew wrote: > On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 12:15:33 +0100 (BST) I wrote: > > On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should > > be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other > > (usually local). Is this a bug or feature? > > > ... > Sorry to repeat the question but this is something that is important > to us. My apologies if the answer has gone astray. > > Thank you. > > > -- > Alan Thew > alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 > University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 09:19:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01912; Thu, 5 May 94 09:19:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17901; Thu, 5 May 94 09:06:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from coat.coat.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17891; Thu, 5 May 94 09:06:46 -0700 Received: from leda.coat.com by coat.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA05711; Thu, 5 May 94 12:06:23 EDT Received: by leda.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17314; Thu, 5 May 94 12:06:32 EDT Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Behrens Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Paul Maclauchlan Cc: "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > without actually EXITING pine. I don't think this is a good idea. "Finger" is only helpful if all users are on one system (unless you expect users to remember host names as well). At many sites, this is simply not the case. I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's the biggest thing that is missing. -- Andy Behrens P.O. Box 116, South Strafford, Vt. (802) 765-4138 Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Lane, Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 10:41:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04262; Thu, 5 May 94 10:41:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19822; Thu, 5 May 94 10:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nsipo.arc.nasa.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19816; Thu, 5 May 94 10:28:35 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (4.1/1.5) id AA06978; Thu, 5 May 94 10:28:28 PDT Received: by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (5.65/SunOS-4.1.3) id AA23111; Thu, 5 May 94 13:25:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Andy Behrens Cc: Paul Maclauchlan , "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, Andy Behrens wrote: > I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's > the biggest thing that is missing. Preferrably standards based? X.500/LDAP (that's what NASA uses)? PH? Whois++?? So many standards to choose from!!! :{) Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | reflect those of the NSI program, | |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 10:57:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04756; Thu, 5 May 94 10:57:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20220; Thu, 5 May 94 10:46:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from castor.cc.utu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20214; Thu, 5 May 94 10:46:28 -0700 Received: from indi by utu.fi id <166509-4>; Thu, 5 May 1994 20:45:53 +0300 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 20:45:15 +0300 From: Kari Sutela Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: Mike Roch Cc: "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > [BTW finger at our site (many Suns running YP) can take about a minute to > report given a surname - does this square with others' experience?] Yes. Our site has about 5000 users in our yp passwd map and finger can be painfully slow. IMHO, a good directory service sh /KS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:38:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06272; Thu, 5 May 94 11:38:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21170; Thu, 5 May 94 11:23:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21164; Thu, 5 May 94 11:23:26 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17601; Thu, 5 May 94 11:23:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Kevin Pinto Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: Suggested enhancement In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Perhaps and yes, but they are not yet implemented. Thanks for the suggestion! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, Kevin Pinto wrote: > > Hi David > > If you use multiple folders and tab between them, you often have to deal > with: > > No more messages. View next folder "Procmail"? (y/n/^C) [y]: > > Are there any plans to let the tab key: > 1. Move silently to the next folder. > 2. Skip across folders with no new messages? > > These enhancements would be great. > > Thanks and regards, > Kevin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Pinto, Chem Engg, ASU, Tempe, AZ > My mailer understands MIME > "Beware of reading health books; you may die of a misprint" - Mark Twain > "An armed society is a polite society" - Beyond This Horizon, Robert Heinlein > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:41:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06427; Thu, 5 May 94 11:41:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01256; Thu, 5 May 94 11:25:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01250; Thu, 5 May 94 11:25:26 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17626; Thu, 5 May 94 11:25:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Michael A Naud Cc: Pine discussion group Subject: Re: Eliminating news folder In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine should not read your .newsrc file unless a news collection is opened. What kind of problems are you experiencing? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Michael A Naud wrote: > > I have tried several ways to not have pine read my .newsrc file. How do > you eliminate this? I have tried modifying my .pinerc file, but with no > luck. What obvious thing am I missing. > > Michael A. Naud > > ---- > Michael A. Naud Nazareth College of Rochester > (716) 586-2525 ext.827 VOICE Dept. of Academic Computing > (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue > manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA > > "...you're Norma Desmond. You were big." Gloria Swanson to William > "I am big. It's the pictures that got small." Holden in "Sunset Boulevard" > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:41:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06451; Thu, 5 May 94 11:41:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21230; Thu, 5 May 94 11:26:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21224; Thu, 5 May 94 11:26:13 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <03606-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 May 1994 19:25:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:25:36 +0100 (BST) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: "Michael C. Newell" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1079 On Thu, 5 May 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 1994, Andy Behrens wrote: > > > I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's > > the biggest thing that is missing. > > Preferrably standards based? X.500/LDAP (that's what NASA uses)? PH? > Whois++?? So many standards to choose from!!! :{) Given that there are so many to choose from, and sites vary in which they support (look me up in X.500 and compare with my real address below!), perhaps a sensible approach would be to put a hook into pine to run an external program, which could then be finger, whois or whatever. (OK so that wouldn't integrate seamlessly with Pine's address book, but it would give at least some functionality - and be quick and easy for the pine folks to get out the door!) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 11:43:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06531; Thu, 5 May 94 11:43:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21373; Thu, 5 May 94 11:30:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21367; Thu, 5 May 94 11:30:33 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17714; Thu, 5 May 94 11:30:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Martin Spohn Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: behavior of cursor keys In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can you figure out what escape sequences are generated by the cursor keys. Pine uses a hard-coded keyboard mapping, so it is possible that your user's terminal emulation is generating sequences we have not seen before... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 2 May 1994, Martin Spohn wrote: > Dear Pine Team, > > one of our users complained that he cannot use the cursor keys > of his notebook inside pine. > For example, when he is composing a message with pico > cursor-left gives "t" > cursor-right gives "v" > cursor-up gives "x" > cursor-down gives "r" > > However in other applications the cursor keys behave as they should. > > Can you please help us with some hints? > > Thanks > > Martin Spohn > Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Telefon: +49 7071 29-6970 (Fax: -5912) > Abteilung Netze E-Mail: > Universitaet Tuebingen SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de > Brunnenstrasse 27 X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn > D-72074 Tuebingen > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 13:24:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09781; Thu, 5 May 94 13:24:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23790; Thu, 5 May 94 13:10:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23784; Thu, 5 May 94 13:10:52 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20785; Thu, 5 May 94 13:10:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Barry Landy Cc: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" , Ken Brown , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. Oh yeah? Since when do we *guarantee* support for Pine? ;) Our support might be better than what some commercial companies do, but keep in mind that we are funded only to support the UW community and anything else is just "making Pine better for UW users." Outside support could dry up overnight if someone decides it is a waste of taxpayers' money.... Now, with that bit of a reality-check done, next suggestion? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 5 15:53:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14492; Thu, 5 May 94 15:53:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27389; Thu, 5 May 94 15:40:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bruny.cc.utas.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27383; Thu, 5 May 94 15:40:40 -0700 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03511; Fri, 6 May 1994 08:40:38 +1000 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 08:37:25 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: finger capabilities? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The other problem with finger is the increasing use of aliases (such as postoffice.utas.edu.au). Hooks for, or client code embedded, to contact a ph (CSO) server would be more useful. Cheers John _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au On Thu, 5 May 1994, Andy Behrens wrote: > On Wed, 4 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > > Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE? > > many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on > > our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name > > without actually EXITING pine. > > I don't think this is a good idea. "Finger" is only helpful if all > users are on one system (unless you expect users to remember host names > as well). At many sites, this is simply not the case. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 00:01:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23356; Fri, 6 May 94 00:01:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15669; Thu, 5 May 94 23:48:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15663; Thu, 5 May 94 23:47:59 -0700 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pzJhV-000BzIC; Fri, 6 May 94 07:47 BST Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 07:47:56 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > On Tue, 3 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. > > Oh yeah? Since when do we *guarantee* support for Pine? ;) > > Perhaps I should rephrase that! Mailstrom has *no* staff permanently assigned to its maintenance, which compares unfavourably to PINE, which at least for the time being has a team in place which has the mission of maintaining and developing PINE for the benefit of the U of W, and we can all reasonably expect to benefit by riding on the coat-tails of the U of W. Better? ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 01:44:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24853; Fri, 6 May 94 01:44:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17127; Fri, 6 May 94 01:29:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17121; Fri, 6 May 94 01:29:23 -0700 Received: from monera.newcastle.ac.uk (monera.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (5.65cVUW/NCL-CMA.1.35 ) with SMTP; Fri, 6 May 1994 09:29:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 09:04:11 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Ward Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) To: Barry Landy Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am sure that the Pine team (and therefore U of W) benefit from the larger sample of user feedback (and therefore make a better Pine) but at some cost. I am sure that the knowledgeable users around the world feed in ideas and even code. And, as we all know, doing good is its own reward (the U of W is, of course, world famous as a result of Pine :-) ). """"" Wot - U of W - yeah o o ----oOo----O----oOo---- | | | | ----------------------- | | | | But perhaps, before Pine gets dragged down by the coat tails we should all ask (and the Pine team should think about) how does the wider user community support in-house projects made more generally available, and support Pine in particular. There's a lot of good will but I don't have any good ideas, and perhaps it has to come from the Pine team since they are the only ones who know the costs/benefits and pressures. Alan Ward Department of Microbiology University of Newcastle upon Tyne On Fri, 6 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 3 May 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > > > that (unlike Pine) there is no guaranteed support. > > > > Oh yeah? Since when do we *guarantee* support for Pine? ;) > > > > > Perhaps I should rephrase that! > Mailstrom has *no* staff permanently assigned to its maintenance, which > compares unfavourably to PINE, which at least for the time being has a > team in place which has the mission of maintaining and developing PINE > for the benefit of the U of W, and we can all reasonably expect to > benefit by riding on the coat-tails of the U of W. > > Better? > ======================================================================= > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > University of Cambridge Computing Service > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 02:52:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25559; Fri, 6 May 94 02:52:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08889; Fri, 6 May 94 02:36:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from scsx01.sc.ehu.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08883; Fri, 6 May 94 02:36:40 -0700 Received: by scsx01.sc.ehu.es (4.1/4.7 ) id AA14961; Fri, 6 May 94 11:50:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:50:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Cuenta SAID Subject: Problems with packet drivers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! I am writting from The Basque Country, in Spain. We have problems with the PC-Pine when using the packet drivers for ODI (we can't connect with the port 25, for example). Someone knows if the PC-Pine only works with the "pure" packet drivers? Thanks in advance. Txomin Romero From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 03:52:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26563; Fri, 6 May 94 03:52:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09705; Fri, 6 May 94 03:35:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from falcon.cs.ust.hk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09699; Fri, 6 May 94 03:35:52 -0700 Received: by falcon.cs.ust.hk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01223; Fri, 6 May 94 18:35:47 HKT Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 18:35:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Yeung Chee Wai Subject: A question on using rimap To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Yeung Chee Wai Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I would like to setup imap to behave as rimap. However, the doc says that I have to have rimap in /etc. Checking the in imap2.c shows that the filename is hardcoded. I tried to change it to something else but it doesn't work (still expects from /etc/rimap since as soon as I put it back in there it works). Is there a way to make imap to work as rimap such that rimap is in somewhere else (like /usr/local/etc/rimap)? Thanks in advance Chee Wai ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET This is Australia, Not HK :-) "How to draw a dotted-line?" "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 04:04:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26777; Fri, 6 May 94 04:04:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09881; Fri, 6 May 94 03:49:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09863; Fri, 6 May 94 03:49:25 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <23491-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Fri, 6 May 1994 11:46:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:46:36 +0100 (BST) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: Problems with packet drivers To: Cuenta SAID Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1030 On Fri, 6 May 1994, Cuenta SAID wrote: > Hello! I am writting from The Basque Country, in Spain. We have > problems with the PC-Pine when using the packet drivers for ODI (we can't > connect with the port 25, for example). Someone knows if the PC-Pine only > works with the "pure" packet drivers? I use PC Pine with a packet driver - but not with ODI. Is there an ODI-to-packet shim that you are using? A useful program to test your packet driver is trypktd, which comes with NuPOP (I can mail you a copy if you like) - it scans the interrupt list looking for a packet driver so you can at least tell if that is working. Incidentally (someone correct me if I am wrong), I don't think PINE uses port 25 (smtp) - it should use port 143 (imap). John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 07:49:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00314; Fri, 6 May 94 07:49:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22867; Fri, 6 May 94 07:38:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22861; Fri, 6 May 94 07:38:53 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26787; Fri, 6 May 94 07:35:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 07:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: John Stumbles Cc: Cuenta SAID , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems with packet drivers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Incidentally (someone correct me if I am wrong), I don't think PINE uses > port 25 (smtp) - it should use port 143 (imap). PC-Pine uses both: smtp for sending, imap for reading/saving. (And optionally, nntp for reading --and soon, posting-- news.) Unix Pine has the option of handing outgoing messages directly to the local sendmail, but it can also be configured to use smtp for sending. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 08:48:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02079; Fri, 6 May 94 08:48:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24016; Fri, 6 May 94 08:32:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gw1.epmhs.gr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23943; Fri, 6 May 94 08:30:27 -0700 Received: by epmhs.gr id AA24945 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 6 May 1994 18:23:26 +0300 From: Nikos Passas Message-Id: <199405061523.AA24945@epmhs.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Help! (using pine in vms) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 18:23:24 +0300 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5] Content-Length: 2229 Content-Id: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Charset: ELOT_928 X-Char-Esc: 29 Hello all, I'm just a new user of pine. I have just installed it in a VAX/VMS and something seems to be wrong because I can't send any messages. I set PINE_MAIL_PROTOCOL to "MX", since that's the protocol we are using, but when I write a message and try to send it I get the following messages: ------------------- included messages --------------------------------- %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user !AS at !AS -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =000DF849, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 000DF849 000DF849 000DFEDB 000DFEDB ----- above condition handler called with exception 0000000C: %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =001D9069, PSL=03C00004 ----- end of exception message 001D9069 001D9069 000DCCB3 000DCCB3 000DFC80 000DFC80 000D86C6 000D86C6 000D880B 000D880B VMS_MAIL vms_mail_send 5397 000003FE 000A06CA SEND call_vms_mail_send 6799 0000007C 000777E0 SEND call_mailer 6680 0000036B 0007754B SEND pine_send 6382 00000548 00076FA0 SEND compose_mail 5643 00000436 00076582 SEND compose_screen 5445 0000001F 0007614B PINE main 5470 00000725 00056725 ------------------------ end of included messages ------------------------ Since I don't know much about how mail works in VMS I cannot locate the problem. Has anyone any ideas about what can be wrong? Thanks in advance Nikos Passas (npas@gw1.epmhs.gr) NOC Ariadne - Athens, Greece From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 10:02:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05393; Fri, 6 May 94 10:02:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16862; Fri, 6 May 94 09:41:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16856; Fri, 6 May 94 09:41:39 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17512; Fri, 6 May 94 09:41:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 09:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Yeung Chee Wai Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Yeung Chee Wai Subject: Re: A question on using rimap In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chee, If you change the location of rimapd, you have to change all of the _clients_ that will be using it (e.g. pine). This means that you have to change all of the Pine clients that will be accessing that server via rimap.... I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 6 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to setup imap to behave as rimap. However, the doc > says that I have to have rimap in /etc. Checking the in imap2.c shows > that the filename is hardcoded. I tried to change it to something else > but it doesn't work (still expects from /etc/rimap since as soon as I put > it back in there it works). > > Is there a way to make imap to work as rimap such that rimap is > in somewhere else (like /usr/local/etc/rimap)? > > Thanks in advance > > Chee Wai > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician > / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 > \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 > v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 > Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk > ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET > This is Australia, Not HK :-) > > "How to draw a dotted-line?" > "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" > > "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 10:47:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07089; Fri, 6 May 94 10:47:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27146; Fri, 6 May 94 10:36:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27140; Fri, 6 May 94 10:36:16 -0700 Received: from muddog.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06807; Fri, 6 May 94 10:36:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 10:36:11 -0800 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: David L Miller Cc: Yeung Chee Wai , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: A question on using rimap X-Sender: gray@phantom.cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Of course, the entry in /etc/ can be a *link* to wherever the real executable lives. -teg On Fri, 6 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Chee, > > If you change the location of rimapd, you have to change all of the _clients_ > that will be using it (e.g. pine). This means that you have to change all of > the Pine clients that will be accessing that server via rimap.... > > I hope that helps! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 6 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to setup imap to behave as rimap. However, the doc > > says that I have to have rimap in /etc. Checking the in imap2.c shows > > that the filename is hardcoded. I tried to change it to something else > > but it doesn't work (still expects from /etc/rimap since as soon as I put > > it back in there it works). > > > > Is there a way to make imap to work as rimap such that rimap is > > in somewhere else (like /usr/local/etc/rimap)? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Chee Wai > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician > > / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 > > \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 > > v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 > > Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk > > ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET > > This is Australia, Not HK :-) > > > > "How to draw a dotted-line?" > > "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" > > > > "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 13:44:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12652; Fri, 6 May 94 13:44:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22515; Fri, 6 May 94 13:33:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22508; Fri, 6 May 94 13:32:58 -0700 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA18280; Fri, 6 May 1994 16:31:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:31:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sherry H. Lake" Subject: PC-Pine Release To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When release 3.90 of pine comes out (in Late Spring :-) ), will there be a newer release of PC-Pine too. Any info on "What's new - improved" in the next release? Thanks.... Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 14:17:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13653; Fri, 6 May 94 14:17:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01788; Fri, 6 May 94 14:03:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01780; Fri, 6 May 94 14:03:21 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25665; Fri, 6 May 94 14:03:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Sherry H. Lake" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine Release In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sherry, Yes, all versions of Pine and PC-Pine will be released simultaneously. The only exception is the ports that are not included in the main distribution (e.g. VMS). --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 6 May 1994, Sherry H. Lake wrote: > When release 3.90 of pine comes out (in Late Spring :-) ), will there be > a newer release of PC-Pine too. > > Any info on "What's new - improved" in the next release? > > Thanks.... > Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu > Electronic Mail Consultant > George Mason University > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 6 23:09:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24875; Fri, 6 May 94 23:09:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03338; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bruny.cc.utas.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03324; Fri, 6 May 94 22:57:50 -0700 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA24405; Sat, 7 May 1994 15:57:42 +1000 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 15:54:44 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: PC-Pine Release To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would really appreciate the inclusion of a version of pico which uses either the ANSI codes that the IBM-PC knows about or vt100 screen addressing, so that I can make pico running on my PC accessible via modem. Cheers John _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au On Fri, 6 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Yes, all versions of Pine and PC-Pine will be released simultaneously. The > only exception is the ports that are not included in the main distribution > (e.g. VMS). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 09:06:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01833; Sat, 7 May 94 09:06:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11861; Sat, 7 May 94 08:54:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mucc.mahidol.ac.th by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11855; Sat, 7 May 94 08:54:28 -0700 Received: by mucc.mahidol.ac.th (5.4R2.01/200.1.1.4) id AA24337; Sat, 7 May 1994 22:52:57 +0700 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 22:52:56 +0700 (GMT) From: Prem Sumetpong Subject: Features To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Are there any plans to add Hot-key sequence to "quick-move to beginning of mail" or end of mail in Pine 3.90 ? I find myself pressing ^Y or ^V many times while browsing really long mails ? Thanks Prem =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Prem Sumetpong | Tel (Off) : (662) 247-0333 Mahidol University Computing Center | (Fax) : (662) 246-7308 Faculty of Science, Mahidol University | email : ccpsm@mucc.mahidol.ac.th Rama 6 Rd, Bangkok 10400 , Thailand. | postmaster@mucc.mahidol.ac.th =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 10:34:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02591; Sat, 7 May 94 10:34:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21121; Sat, 7 May 94 10:20:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21115; Sat, 7 May 94 10:20:39 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20290; Sat, 7 May 94 10:20:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Prem Sumetpong Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Features In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes. -teg On Sat, 7 May 1994, Prem Sumetpong wrote: > Hi, > Are there any plans to add Hot-key sequence to "quick-move to beginning of > mail" or end of mail in Pine 3.90 ? I find myself pressing ^Y or ^V many > times while browsing really long mails ? > > Thanks > Prem > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Prem Sumetpong | Tel (Off) : (662) 247-0333 > Mahidol University Computing Center | (Fax) : (662) 246-7308 > Faculty of Science, Mahidol University | email : ccpsm@mucc.mahidol.ac.th > Rama 6 Rd, Bangkok 10400 , Thailand. | postmaster@mucc.mahidol.ac.th > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 13:49:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04461; Sat, 7 May 94 13:49:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23989; Sat, 7 May 94 13:41:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cidsv07.cid.aes.doe.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23983; Sat, 7 May 94 13:41:11 -0700 Received: by cidsv07.cid.aes.doe.CA id AA14927 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 7 May 1994 20:41:06 GMT Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 20:41:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Yves Pelletier Subject: help To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help end From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 7 19:43:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07513; Sat, 7 May 94 19:43:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20708; Sat, 7 May 94 19:33:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cap.gwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20702; Sat, 7 May 94 19:33:20 -0700 Received: by cap.gwu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18663; Sat, 7 May 94 22:33:54 EDT Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Unemployed Eastern European System Cracker in Michigan Reply-To: Some Clown with a faraway account Subject: Pine3.90 as ESMTP client, maybe? To: Unwitting Mailing-list Victims Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Your message was read in Michigan from Washington DC via IMAP from the machine in Ko=B9ice, Slovakia, where it appeAAAAAAAGH!! SHUT UP! It was NOT!!!!@! Ooops, sorry about that. Ahem. As Pine will function happily as a SMTP client, making a connection to perhaps a different machine to pass along a mail message, will the next release of Pine, or one upcoming shortly, have ESMTP support for 8BITMIME? I know the U Washington still relies on IDA 5.65 on most of its machines, but from headers I can see that Pine is seeing widespread usage at many schools which speak EHLO, having upgraded to BSD sendmail 8.6.whatever, and even the latest ZMailer, which is installed on my machine in Slovakia, speaks ESMTP, and this would be a good chance for me to be distracted by that. The advantage of Pine as an ESMTP client, for those who do not know, would be that it could pass a message as 8-bit text, rather than converting it to QUOTED-PRINTABLE or BASE64, with the resulting increase in message size. Then, if I need to mail images from Europe to my friends at the U of Michigan, it would consume no more bandwidth than an FTP transfer, rather than being 4/3 the size of the attachment. Of course, if the server does not speak ESMTP, Pine would send the message as it does now with SMTP. The Crack Pine Team could only get BASE64-encoded pictures, instead of a BINARY transfer, until upgrading. If I understand this right, this could only work when Pine passes the message off with SMTP (ESMTP) rather than handing it off to the sendmail program directly, since Pine would have no way of knowing whether the sendmail supports 8BITMIME without actually talking to it. For users who prefer to have the local machine do the delivery with sendmail, rather than speaking SMTP to it, I suppose there could be a system-wide configuration option which could be set if some MIME-aware sendmail is installed on the system. However, this would lead to difficulties if the value is set and the sendmail does not truly speak ESMTP, such as IDA 5.65 or whatever, perhaps compiled for an 8-bit-clean path, since it would not know how to convert the message to a 7-bit transfer method if the machine it speaks to does not handle 8BITMIME. (There are quite a few people who believe all that is necessary to be able to handle 8-bit mail safely is to configure their sendmail for an 8-bit-clean path, but that's not enough, and permitting Pine to speak 8-bit without verifying that the mailer can convert to a 7-bit transfer method would go against MIME, so it's probably best to use the 8-bit transfer only when configured as an ESMTP client.) So, I just thought I'd ask to see when this would be supported, to help Pine take fuller advantage of the MIME-aware mailers that are becoming increasingly common... Barry Bouwsma; I'll go away and leave you alone now From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 8 09:22:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16210; Sun, 8 May 94 09:22:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02032; Sun, 8 May 94 09:10:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02026; Sun, 8 May 94 09:10:13 -0700 Received: from strokr.shr.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/21Mar94) id AA09516; Sun, 8 May 94 09:09:00 -0700 Received: by strokr.shr.dec.com (5.65/MS-012594); id AA01632; Sun, 8 May 1994 12:08:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 12:08:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "dehahn@shr.dec.com" Subject: Pine 3.89 dumps core on Digital Alpha AXP OSF/1 V2.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: chris dehahn Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I know that the osf port is unsupported code, but here goes. I compiled the 3.89 release on OSF/1 V2.0 on a DEC3000/400, it compiled with no errors. When I invoke Pine, it starts the main menu, but when it gets to the bottom line, it crashes: Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage". Exiting Pine Abort process (core dumped) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Chris << Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >> << ECAD Engineering dehahn@shr.dec.com (508) 841-3451 1991 Buell RS1200 >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 8 12:05:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17441; Sun, 8 May 94 12:05:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12142; Sun, 8 May 94 11:56:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12136; Sun, 8 May 94 11:56:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14392; Sun, 8 May 94 11:56:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 11:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "dehahn@shr.dec.com" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, chris dehahn Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 dumps core on Digital Alpha AXP OSF/1 V2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, This may be a bug having to do with a bogus header line in one of the messages in your INBOX. The specific situation I saw cause this was an address consisting of a single '\' character. This bug will be fixed in the next release of Pine and in the c-client found in the latest imap.tar.Z found on ftp.cac.washingotn.edu. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 8 May 1994, dehahn@shr.dec.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I know that the osf port is unsupported code, but here goes. > > I compiled the 3.89 release on OSF/1 V2.0 on a DEC3000/400, it compiled > with no errors. When I invoke Pine, it starts the main menu, but when it > gets to the bottom line, it crashes: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage". > Exiting Pine > Abort process (core dumped) > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > << Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >> > << ECAD Engineering dehahn@shr.dec.com (508) 841-3451 1991 Buell RS1200 >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 09:50:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04205; Mon, 9 May 94 09:50:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01386; Mon, 9 May 94 09:27:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01380; Mon, 9 May 94 09:27:17 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA21742; Mon, 9 May 94 09:29:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Subject: What Are The ISO-8859-x Standards? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wonder what they are ... probably can't display them with VT-100 telnet... -- Thanks, Jim Buck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 09:51:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04258; Mon, 9 May 94 09:51:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23697; Mon, 9 May 94 09:33:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from logos.res.utc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23691; Mon, 9 May 94 09:33:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (pek@localhost) by logos.res.utc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA13361 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 9 May 1994 12:35:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:35:16 -0400 From: Paul Kirschner Message-Id: <199405091635.MAA13361@logos.res.utc.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine and /etc/aliases I'm running pine 3.89 on a Sun Sparc 2 with SunOS 4.1.2 (I did a "build sun"). My problem is with the "To:" field under compose message. I have a rather extensive /etc/aliases list with all the people here and their e-mail addresses. Whenever I send a message to user "abc" the To field is completed as "abc@logos.res.utc.com". This is MY node and NOT the remote node of the recipient from /etc/aliases. The aliases list is seemingly ignored. (I should mention that /etc/aliases is "-rw-r--r--" and am running the newest sendmail v8.) Is this correct operation or how can I fix it to use the aliases? Is there a tool to convert /etc/aliases to the address book format? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Kirschner #include pek@logos.res.utc.com United Technologies Research Center From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 09:56:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04350; Mon, 9 May 94 09:56:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01751; Mon, 9 May 94 09:41:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lykos.netpart.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01744; Mon, 9 May 94 09:40:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (phil@localhost) by lykos.netpart.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA03660 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 9 May 1994 09:34:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 09:34:34 -0700 From: Phil Trubey Message-Id: <199405091634.JAA03660@lykos.netpart.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Forwarding MIME E-mail It seems that Pine 3.89 does not forward MIME e-mail messages that have a body part with a content-transfer-encoding: of x-uuencode properly. When you try to forward such a message, that body part ends up with a content-transfer-encoding: of x-unknown. Is this a bug, or some subtlety of MIME that I am not aware of? Phil Trubey phil@netpart.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 10:55:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06968; Mon, 9 May 94 10:55:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03133; Mon, 9 May 94 10:35:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from FINANCE.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03127; Mon, 9 May 94 10:35:00 -0700 Received: by finance.wharton.upenn.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27079; Mon, 9 May 1994 13:33:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Robinson Subject: Pine Doc's To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Pine on our departmental workstations and am looking for a good document on Pine. I would like it to be less than 10 pages. If anyone has any written docs that I can use, either in whole or in part, PLEASE email me! By the way - I have looked around the net for some but have not found anything of much signifigance. Thanks in advance. Mike +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Mike Robinson (Wharton Finance) mrobinsn@wharton.upenn.edu If what I'm saying makes any sense then I'm obviously saying it wrong... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 9 11:56:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09249; Mon, 9 May 94 11:56:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27041; Mon, 9 May 94 11:42:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ananke.pt.hk-r.se by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27035; Mon, 9 May 94 11:42:30 -0700 Received: by ananke.pt.hk-r.se id AA06562 (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/IDA-1.4.2 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 9 May 94 20:37:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 20:31:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andy Eskilsson Subject: Pine and tconsole? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199405091635.MAA13361@logos.res.utc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running Pine on a SUN system running sun os 4.1.3, As the people who have tried the sun sparcstations, when in "textmode" screenupdates are extremly sloow. So some1 have done a small program called tconsole, wich allows you to change font, fontsize and so on in "textmode". It also allows you to change the character "resolution", from the normal 80x25(?) to 130x60 or something like that, but pine don't notice that. (but emacs does). Any hints? Anything I have missed, you have missed? Should I try to edit something like our termcap database? /andy *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* http://jupiter.pt.hk-r.se/student/pi92ae/pi92ae.html *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Gates should limit his salary to the | PI92AE@pt.hk-r.se is: number of bytes addressable by the latest | Andy Eskilsson version of MS-DOS, and be taxed based on | Tranbaersv. 25:12 the number of bytes of RAM needed by the | s-372 38 Ronneby latest version of MS-Windows | SWEDEN -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hey, it's a UNIX system! I know this!" Lex, Jurassic park. Apples have been a problem ever since eden. Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you. Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you. Just walk by my side and be my friend. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 09:18:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05219; Tue, 10 May 94 09:18:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15930; Tue, 10 May 94 06:25:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [131.111.12.55] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15924; Tue, 10 May 94 04:34:25 -0700 Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <23087-8@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 10 May 1994 12:28:38 +0100 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <20152-0@black.csi.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 10 May 1994 12:27:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 12:27:56 BST From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Pine and tconsole? To: Andy Eskilsson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: bl10@imap.cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey - keep your sig down to a reasonable size (5/6 lines!) On Mon, 9 May 1994, Andy Eskilsson wrote: > > *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* > http://jupiter.pt.hk-r.se/student/pi92ae/pi92ae.html > *NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW*NEW* > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Gates should limit his salary to the | PI92AE@pt.hk-r.se is: > number of bytes addressable by the latest | Andy Eskilsson > version of MS-DOS, and be taxed based on | Tranbaersv. 25:12 > the number of bytes of RAM needed by the | s-372 38 Ronneby > latest version of MS-Windows | SWEDEN > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Hey, it's a UNIX system! I know this!" > Lex, Jurassic park. > > Apples have been a problem ever since eden. > > Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you. > Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you. > Just walk by my side and be my friend. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 12:25:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10831; Tue, 10 May 94 12:25:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25852; Tue, 10 May 94 12:08:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from logos.res.utc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25838; Tue, 10 May 94 12:08:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (pek@localhost) by logos.res.utc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA14091 for pine-info@cac.washington.EDU; Tue, 10 May 1994 15:10:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:10:02 -0400 From: Paul Kirschner Message-Id: <199405101910.PAA14091@logos.res.utc.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.EDU Subject: Re: pine and /etc/aliases Thanks for your response. To fill in some details: I have a line in /etc/aliases such as: abc: abc@utrc.a1.utc.com newaliases has been run. In .pinerc both user-domain and smtp-server are blank. In the compose window in the To: field I type "abc" and a tab. The field completes as abc@logos.res.utc.com. "logos" is the node where I am sending from. I would have hoped the field would complete from /etc/aliases as "abc@utrc.a1.utc.com" If I use Sun's mailtool "abc" is left alone and /etc/aliases directs the message correctly. With pine I need to type in the full address myself and I lose the alaises functionality! Any help would be appreciated. > > This is correct operation. The alias abc is on your node - > it's in your /etc/aliases. > When you send the message it will be *delivered* to the > recipients listed under abc from /etc/aliases. > Isn't that what happens ? If not - did you run "newaliases" > (or the same thing "sendmail -bi"). Is smtp-server: > blank in .pinerc ? - which is what you want. > -mike > > > > I'm running pine 3.89 on a Sun Sparc 2 with SunOS 4.1.2 (I did a "build > > sun"). My problem is with the "To:" field under compose message. I have > > a rather extensive /etc/aliases list with all the people here and their > > e-mail addresses. Whenever I send a message to user "abc" the To field is > > completed as "abc@logos.res.utc.com". This is MY node and NOT the remote > > node of the recipient from /etc/aliases. The aliases list is seemingly > > ignored. (I should mention that /etc/aliases is "-rw-r--r--" and am running > > the newest sendmail v8.) > > > > Is this correct operation or how can I fix it to use the > > aliases? Is there a tool to convert /etc/aliases to the address book > > format? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Kirschner #include pek@logos.res.utc.com United Technologies Research Center From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 14:12:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14113; Tue, 10 May 94 14:12:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05220; Tue, 10 May 94 13:58:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05214; Tue, 10 May 94 13:58:41 -0700 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R3.00/200.1.1.4) id AA10517; Tue, 10 May 1994 16:58:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:40:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Mail directory doesn't get created. To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Scenario: First time user. Never ran Pine before Executes command to send mail from command line: Example: "pine someusername" Problem: Mail directory is not created. Therefore, when user goes to send the message, it is rejected because Mail/sent-mail doesn't exist, and it can't create it because Mail/ doesn't exist. Can't postpone message either. It says... [Error opening folder "/user/home/path/Mail/postponed-mail"] (I compiled in the default mail dir as Mail/ and not mail/ ) Work-Around: Tell user to run pine with no args, at least the first time. To rescuse their mail, they need to turn on rich-headers and get rid of the Fcc: line Version: 3.87 on DG/UX 5.4R3.00 Other platforms: I was able to reproduce the postpone error message on a Sun 4.1.x system. But NOT able to reproduce the error by default on that machine. I *believe* it is because the admin on that machine must have not compiled in sent-mail support by default. If I manually create a .pinerc and specifically define sent-mail folder, I get the same error as noted above. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 10 23:16:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24356; Tue, 10 May 94 23:16:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15500; Tue, 10 May 94 23:06:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15494; Tue, 10 May 94 23:06:18 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q17Qt-0001hEC; Tue, 10 May 94 23:06 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA02843; Tue, 10 May 1994 22:50:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 22:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Mail directory doesn't get created. To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 May 1994, Ken Weaverling wrote: > Scenario: > > [Error opening folder "/user/home/path/Mail/postponed-mail"] > > Version: > > 3.87 on DG/UX 5.4R3.00 Don't count on 3.89 making the problems go away. We are on DG/UX 5.4.2 and pine 3.89. Same problems...not ALL the time :( So much for reproducible bug. Usually I just tell the user to run pine again and it creates the directory... > I was able to reproduce the postpone error message on a Sun 4.1.x > system. But NOT able to reproduce the error by default on that machine. > I *believe* it is because the admin on that machine must have not compiled > in sent-mail support by default. If I manually create a .pinerc and > specifically define sent-mail folder, I get the same error as noted above. I didn't investigate it further since it seemed that once the second run has been done, all is fine (strange) B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, brian@asl3.wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 00:03:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24898; Wed, 11 May 94 00:03:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16134; Tue, 10 May 94 23:51:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from NUKESTEP.MIT.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16128; Tue, 10 May 94 23:51:24 -0700 Received: by nukestep.mit.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA01348; Wed, 11 May 94 02:51:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 94 02:51:11 -0500 From: Gregory B Howland Message-Id: <9405110751.AA01348@nukestep.mit.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100.RR) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100.RR) To: pine-info@cac.washington.EDU Subject: faq - sending attachments Reply-To: nsp@world.std.com Is there an FAQ for this mailing list? I am trying to get info on how to change the Content-Type in the message that I am sending. I want to include two file attachments, one is a postscript file the other is an rtf file. How do change the Content-Type to application/postscript? And what is the correct Content-Type for rtf files? Thanks, Greg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 01:08:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25963; Wed, 11 May 94 01:08:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10534; Wed, 11 May 94 00:59:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nuscc.nus.sg by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10528; Wed, 11 May 94 00:59:38 -0700 Received: from (moe.ac.sg [166.121.1.2]) by nuscc.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA08436 for ; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:59:30 +0800 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00868; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:57:39 --800 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:57:38 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Francis Ho Subject: Inbox To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 329 I'm running solaris2.3 on a spar10. I'm using pine3.89. I'm trying to default users' incoming mails to their home directory ie /home/username instead of /var/mail/username Must I change something in pine or in my sendmail or my MAIL setting? Could some unix gurus out there please help?? Thanks!! francis@moe.ac.sg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 04:10:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29440; Wed, 11 May 94 04:10:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13092; Wed, 11 May 94 03:58:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from falcon.cs.ust.hk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13086; Wed, 11 May 94 03:58:49 -0700 Received: by falcon.cs.ust.hk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19934; Wed, 11 May 94 18:58:46 HKT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:58:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Yeung Chee Wai Subject: Dump question about pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Yeung Chee Wai Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? Thanks Chee Wai ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4203 \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7005 v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@cs.ust.hk ^^^^^^^^ cheewai@HK.Super.NET This is Australia, Not HK :-) "How to draw a dotted-line?" "Ans: Pick up a pencil!" "COBOL is just a bug with syntax." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 07:52:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03735; Wed, 11 May 94 07:52:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17191; Wed, 11 May 94 07:33:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17185; Wed, 11 May 94 07:33:54 -0700 Received: by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA11499; Wed, 11 May 94 10:28:12 EDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: News suggestion To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, It would be great if, just like I can hit "g" to go to any mail folder, I could hit "G" to go to any newsgroup. That would make it much easier to traverse the "pine environment" as it were... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 08:56:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06374; Wed, 11 May 94 08:56:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24983; Wed, 11 May 94 08:41:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from crypt.u-strasbg.fr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24977; Wed, 11 May 94 08:41:46 -0700 Received: by crypt.u-strasbg.fr (911016.SGI/911001.SGI) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA26732; Wed, 11 May 94 17:48:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 17:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy BRAND - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg - FRANCE Subject: Mail header in Pine To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Will there be a way to modify/enter the fields of the mail header, such as 'Reference', 'Return-Receipt-To', etc in the next release of Pine ? Any news about the X version of Pine ? Thanks GB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guy BRAND ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) Departement de Chimie guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 08:57:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06445; Wed, 11 May 94 08:57:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24822; Wed, 11 May 94 08:35:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24816; Wed, 11 May 94 08:35:53 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1GK7-0006AtC; Wed, 11 May 94 08:35 PDT Received: from asl5 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA08971; Wed, 11 May 1994 08:17:25 -0700 Received: by asl5.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA18531; Wed, 11 May 1994 08:13:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 08:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Dump question about pine To: Yeung Chee Wai Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Yeung Chee Wai In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > Hi, > > does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command > which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? > Don't specify a "read-messages" folder. Then when you "q" it will keep all mail in the inbox, as mail would. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 09:23:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08141; Wed, 11 May 94 09:23:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19380; Wed, 11 May 94 09:03:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19370; Wed, 11 May 94 09:03:17 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07461; Wed, 11 May 94 09:02:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 09:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: News suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bruce, You can go to any folder in any collection with "g". Use the ^N/^P keys to scroll to your News collection before entering the name... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Hi, > > It would be great if, just like I can hit "g" to go to any mail folder, I > could hit "G" to go to any newsgroup. That would make it much easier to > traverse the "pine environment" as it were... > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 09:23:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08198; Wed, 11 May 94 09:23:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25681; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25675; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:38 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1Gmv-00054WC; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA10343; Wed, 11 May 1994 08:46:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 08:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine is NOT happy with our Wyse Terminals. It won't use the cursor keys. Is it the terminfo is wrong or the proogram? OS (DG/UX 5.4.2) Help...those less technically inclined aren't overjoyed at using ^N etc to move around :( suggestions?? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 09:30:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08463; Wed, 11 May 94 09:30:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19628; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19622; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:12 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07648; Wed, 11 May 94 09:05:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Guy BRAND - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg - FRANCE Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: Mail header in Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, Pine 3.90 will support configurable headers. I haven't heard anything about Spruce (Pine for X) lately... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Guy BRAND - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg - FRANCE wrote: > > Hi, > > Will there be a way to modify/enter the fields of the mail header, such > as 'Reference', 'Return-Receipt-To', etc in the next release of Pine ? > > Any news about the X version of Pine ? > > Thanks > GB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Guy BRAND ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) > Departement de Chimie guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:05:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09833; Wed, 11 May 94 10:05:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20590; Wed, 11 May 94 09:43:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20584; Wed, 11 May 94 09:43:53 -0700 Received: by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA20122; Wed, 11 May 94 12:36:31 EDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 12:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: Another interesting tidbit To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine's newsreader doesn't seem to understand cross-postings. If I post to "xxx,yyy,zzz", three newsgroups comma-seperated, then I should only need to read one of those newsgroups, and the other related newsgroups should be updated as a matter of course. Pine, not seeing this, causes me to have to see the same article in each of the different newsgroups. Is this something that will be in 3.90? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:17:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10319; Wed, 11 May 94 10:17:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21031; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21025; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:33 -0700 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA05679; Wed, 11 May 94 10:00:51 PDT Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13679; Wed, 11 May 94 10:00:46 PDT Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20712; Wed, 11 May 94 10:00:44 PDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Dump question about pine To: Yeung Chee Wai Cc: "Brian P. Hampson" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Actually, the "x" command in ucb mail exits the program without changing the status of any messages (new messages are still new, deletions are not recorded...). As far as I know, the closest you can get to that in Pine is to press Q and then answer N to the question of "Expunge the NNN deleted messages from INBOX?" This still will leave you with a modified mailbox, but only the Status line will be changed. Elmar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | | University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 | | The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 | | University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, | | Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 11 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command > > which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? > > > Don't specify a "read-messages" folder. Then when you "q" it will keep > all mail in the inbox, as mail would. > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | > |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > | | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:18:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10371; Wed, 11 May 94 10:18:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26948; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26941; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:19 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09437; Wed, 11 May 94 10:01:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian, Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > > Pine is NOT happy with our Wyse Terminals. It won't use the cursor > keys. Is it the terminfo is wrong or the proogram? > > OS (DG/UX 5.4.2) > > Help...those less technically inclined aren't overjoyed at using ^N etc > to move around :( > > suggestions?? > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | > |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > | | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:19:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10411; Wed, 11 May 94 10:19:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21174; Wed, 11 May 94 10:06:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21168; Wed, 11 May 94 10:06:44 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09601; Wed, 11 May 94 10:06:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Another interesting tidbit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, not yet... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Pine's newsreader doesn't seem to understand cross-postings. If I post > to "xxx,yyy,zzz", three newsgroups comma-seperated, then I should only > need to read one of those newsgroups, and the other related newsgroups > should be updated as a matter of course. Pine, not seeing this, causes > me to have to see the same article in each of the different newsgroups. > Is this something that will be in 3.90? > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 10:46:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11425; Wed, 11 May 94 10:46:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21915; Wed, 11 May 94 10:33:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21909; Wed, 11 May 94 10:33:43 -0700 Received: by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA21618; Wed, 11 May 94 13:22:53 EDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: Manual Check for mail To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:37:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15810; Wed, 11 May 94 12:37:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00602; Wed, 11 May 94 12:27:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00596; Wed, 11 May 94 12:27:53 -0700 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA23578; Wed, 11 May 94 14:24:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:24:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "g.h.chinoy" Subject: Re: Manual Check for mail To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Typing ctrl-l not only clears the screen it checks the mail spool, updating pine. I believe that's a 3.89 thing, since when we had 3.87, the way to force a manual update of mail was going past the last piece of mail in the mail Index so that Pine beeped at you twice. ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NeXTstep, Washington University in St. Louis baby hussain@artsci.wustl.edu On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine > doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its > periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows > the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a > little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have > to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:39:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15908; Wed, 11 May 94 12:39:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25109; Wed, 11 May 94 12:29:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25103; Wed, 11 May 94 12:29:10 -0700 Received: (from rlee@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA24105; Wed, 11 May 1994 14:29:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:29:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine > already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other > commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other > functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. Does pine use terminfo to write to the screen? I can't get pine to run with my terminal (although pico runs) and I was thinking of beefing up the terminal information in the hopes of running it. Is that a dead end? -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:41:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15973; Wed, 11 May 94 12:41:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00712; Wed, 11 May 94 12:32:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00706; Wed, 11 May 94 12:32:01 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1K0b-0008xUC; Wed, 11 May 94 12:31 PDT Received: from asl4 by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA22034; Wed, 11 May 1994 12:17:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Brian, > > Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine > already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other > commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other > functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. > This is unfortunate, does anyone know of an emulation mode that the WYSE will do (these are actually WYSE 160's) that will get along with pine better, or are there any plans afoot to make key/command a definable choice at compile time? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:53:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16194; Wed, 11 May 94 12:53:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00963; Wed, 11 May 94 12:43:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ucdavis.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00955; Wed, 11 May 94 12:42:59 -0700 Received: by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.8/UCD2.50) id MAA08480; Wed, 11 May 1994 12:27:35 -0700 From: dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu (Dave Zavatson) Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 12:27:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199405111927.MAA08480@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> To: bmahf@ctp.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Manual Check for mail +---------------+ | |Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine |doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its |periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows |the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a |little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have |to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. | |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! |! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! |! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! |! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | | +---------------+ If you go to the last message and press n a couple of times, it will rescan the inbox immediately. --Dave ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| |dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu |Ich kann nicht von Dir gehen. Zwei Gefuehle bleiben | | UCD IT Systems Group | stehen: Liebe und Hass, sind sich doch so nah. -ECO| \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 12:55:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16243; Wed, 11 May 94 12:55:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00983; Wed, 11 May 94 12:43:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from INDIV-GW.CENT.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00977; Wed, 11 May 94 12:43:35 -0700 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA15975; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:43:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:35:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Reverse? To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My site has been using 3.07 for a while, and when 3.90 comes out I'm considering upgrading us to it. But I logged into another one of my accounts recently, where they installed 3.85, and something is troubling me. Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order in which I am used to them. I thought, well, no problem, this must be a settable attribute, right? But there didn't seem to be any way of editing my .pinerc to automatically put the messages in what I consider to be their normal order. Sure, I can resort it every time, but that seems silly. It seems perverse to me that anyone would want their messages in this order. If you're trying to follow a discussion, you get all the aftermath before you ever figure out what's going on in the first place. (This is the same problem I have with the "old-style-reply" being what I consider to be normal, where you have the quoted text first and the response afterwards. It's difficult to read the messages from the Pine team on this list because they all start with your answer to the question, and then I have to page down to figure out what the question was, then go back up to understand the answer in context. But at least I can set this attribute on my own mail. Who decided this was desirable, and why, just as a history question?) It seems obscene that I would be forced to read my messages this way without it being a settable parameter. Am I missing something obvious? I'd hate to be stuck on 3.07 just because of this one tiny missing requirement. - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 13:13:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17376; Wed, 11 May 94 13:13:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01316; Wed, 11 May 94 13:01:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01310; Wed, 11 May 94 13:01:22 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13543; Wed, 11 May 94 13:01:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Richard Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, pine does use terminfo for output, but only a fairly limited set of attributes. Unfortunately pine and pico do not share the same screen drivers, so differences do exist in some ports.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > Pine does not use terminfo to read the keyboard. The problem is that Pine > > already uses the control characters sent by Wyse 50 terminals for other > > commands. To read the Wyse 50 cursor keys we would have to disable other > > functions, which we are not willing to do. Sorry. > > Does pine use terminfo to write to the screen? I can't get pine > to run with my terminal (although pico runs) and I was thinking of > beefing up the terminal information in the hopes of running it. Is that > a dead end? > > -- > > Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu > Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET > University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 13:48:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18328; Wed, 11 May 94 13:48:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02304; Wed, 11 May 94 13:35:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02298; Wed, 11 May 94 13:35:55 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14372; Wed, 11 May 94 13:35:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: Yeung Chee Wai , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dump question about pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Yeung Chee Wai wrote: > > Hi, > > does pine have the equivalent of /usr/ucb/mail's "x" command > which quits mail WITHOUT touching the inbox? How can I emulate such feature? No, there is no such feature. In fact, pine periodically checkpoints the file as it goes so that you won't lose any changes. There is no way to go back to the way it was when you started. If you know you want to do this ahead of time, you can open the folder read-only by specifying the -o command line flag. In that case, no changes will be made to the folder. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 14:10:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19220; Wed, 11 May 94 14:10:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02726; Wed, 11 May 94 13:58:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lightnin.brevard.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02718; Wed, 11 May 94 13:58:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (willy@localhost) by lightnin.brevard.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA01051 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:54 -0400 From: Willy Evans Message-Id: <199405112049.QAA01051@lightnin.brevard.edu> Subject: BSD/386 and pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 175 has anyone had any success getting pine to run on BSD/386 v1.1? i would appreciate hearing about it. willy evans brevard college brevard nc willy@lightnin.brevard.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 14:21:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19546; Wed, 11 May 94 14:21:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27789; Wed, 11 May 94 14:06:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27782; Wed, 11 May 94 14:06:07 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15325; Wed, 11 May 94 14:05:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Reverse? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > My site has been using 3.07 for a while, and when 3.90 comes out I'm > considering upgrading us to it. But I logged into another one of my > accounts recently, where they installed 3.85, and something is troubling me. Adam, Take a deep breath... it'll be OK :) > Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order > in which I am used to them. I thought, well, no problem, this must be a > settable attribute, right? But there didn't seem to be any way of editing > my .pinerc to automatically put the messages in what I consider to be > their normal order. Sure, I can resort it every time, but that seems > silly. The default sort order for the Index has not changed; it continues to be Arrival order, i.e. the order that messages were appened to the folder. In recent versions you can select a default sort order for the Index view of the folder: # sort-key= order in which messages will be presented... sort-key= There are several choices, including "reverse" which I'd guess is the one you encountered and didn't like. As to there being only one obvious/true/correct way of sorting the Index, Trust us, there are plenty of folks who would be very disappointed if this option went away. > It seems perverse to me that anyone would want their messages in this > order. If you're trying to follow a discussion, you get all the aftermath > before you ever figure out what's going on in the first place. (This is > the same problem I have with the "old-style-reply" being what I consider > to be normal, where you have the quoted text first and the response > afterwards. It's difficult to read the messages from the Pine team on this > list because they all start with your answer to the question, and then I > have to page down to figure out what the question was, then go back up to > understand the answer in context. But at least I can set this attribute on > my own mail. Who decided this was desirable, and why, just as a history > question?) It seems obscene that I would be forced to read my messages > this way without it being a settable parameter. Well, we're all glad that it's a settable parameter, then, right? As with Index sorting, the question of what style of Reply is "correct" is *highly* subjective, with proponents for more variations than you can imagine. My own view is that whether the response should be above or below the original text depends on two things: the length of the original text, and the expected time interval between sending and receiving. If the original text is short, I prefer the response below; otherwise above --especially if the time constant is short. I surely do *not* want to scroll through a long history of a dialogue to get to the bottom line answer... that would annoy me at least as much as the opposite case annoys you! Anyway, different strokes for different folks... > Am I missing something obvious? I'd hate to be stuck on 3.07 just because > of this one tiny missing requirement. Breathe easy... -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 14:55:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20499; Wed, 11 May 94 14:55:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03829; Wed, 11 May 94 14:46:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from INDIV-GW.CENT.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03813; Wed, 11 May 94 14:45:17 -0700 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA10022; Wed, 11 May 1994 17:45:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 17:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam J Weitzman Reply-To: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: Reverse? To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order > > in which I am used to them. > > The default sort order for the Index has not changed; it continues to be > Arrival order, i.e. the order that messages were appened to the folder. OK. Let me explain my confusion then, as I think I may have asked the wrong question. I sent three messages to myself at this other site. I looked in the mail spool where my incoming messages are, and there they are in the order I sent them in, 1, 2, and 3. When I call Pine to open up my inbox, It displays them 3, 2, and 1. > In recent versions you can select a default sort order for the Index view > of the folder: Right now, the "sort-key" entry in my .pinerc is blank, which means it defaults to "arrival" as you said, although it doesn't appear to be that way in practice. (I tried putting "reverse" in there, even though it's not listed as one of the options, and got the same behavior.) > As to there being only one obvious/true/correct way of sorting the Index, I never suggested this. I only said that, to me, it was weird, and to not be able to set it was extremely frustrating. > Well, we're all glad that it's a settable parameter, then, right? Well, I am, if you can tell me how to set it. What am I doing wrong? > As with Index sorting, the question of what style of Reply is "correct" is > *highly* subjective, Of course. But I would like a history lesson anyways, as up until I was introduced to the Pine world, all of my communications (both from me and to me) read the "old-style" way. The name implies that *it* was the default once, and since then it has been changed to what it is now. I'm just curious. - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 15:23:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21418; Wed, 11 May 94 15:23:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29742; Wed, 11 May 94 15:13:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29728; Wed, 11 May 94 15:13:27 -0700 Received: by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (4.1/1.34) id AA25373; Wed, 11 May 94 15:16:30 PDT Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Williams Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We use Wyse 150's set with vt100 emulation quite a bit here, in addition to pc's. As far as I know there have been no problems with that emulation and pine. Brian Williams Automation Manager Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 15:44:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22090; Wed, 11 May 94 15:44:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00408; Wed, 11 May 94 15:36:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00402; Wed, 11 May 94 15:36:01 -0700 Received: from modem58.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.8/UCD2.50) id PAA29690; Wed, 11 May 1994 15:28:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199405112228.PAA29690@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez006683@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:28:08 -0700 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ddtodd@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) Subject: Re: Reverse? X-Mailer: At 05:36 PM 5/11/94, Adam J Weitzman wrote: >On Wed, 11 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: >> As with Index sorting, the question of what style of Reply is "correct" is >> *highly* subjective, > >Of course. But I would like a history lesson anyways, as up until I was >introduced to the Pine world, all of my communications (both from me and >to me) read the "old-style" way. The name implies that *it* was the >default once, and since then it has been changed to what it is now. I'm >just curious. I prefer the "old style" too. I think the advent of the "new style" can be attributed to two things. 1) some people tend to over quote. 2) some people tend to quote out of context. With 'new style" reply you can leave the whole message in your reply without having to worry about pageing through 4 pages to get to the answer. This allows people to get to the meat of a message that is over quoted. It also prevents out of context quoting. however it is quite annoying that many people don't bother to even delete the sig from quoted material. It can also be very difficult to follow point by point arguments in "new style" replys. cheers, Dan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 15:55:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22408; Wed, 11 May 94 15:55:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05219; Wed, 11 May 94 15:46:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05211; Wed, 11 May 94 15:46:49 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14280; Wed, 11 May 94 15:46:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Reverse? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > I sent three messages to myself at this other site. I looked in the mail > spool where my incoming messages are, and there they are in the order I > sent them in, 1, 2, and 3. When I call Pine to open up my inbox, It > displays them 3, 2, and 1. Adam, One possible explanation is that the system manager for that site may have made sort-key=reverse the default for the site (by putting it in the global pine.conf file.) I'm not entirely sure how to over-ride this particular variable in your personal .pinerc... You might try: sort-key="" or maybe sort-key=arrival > Of course. But I would like a history lesson anyways, as up until I was > introduced to the Pine world, all of my communications (both from me and > to me) read the "old-style" way. The name implies that *it* was the > default once, and since then it has been changed to what it is now. I'm > just curious. I don't think Pine invented the "above" style, but it is certainly the less common default. The Pine-specific history is not mysterious: the original group involved in defining requirements for Pine (including some users) felt that the "above" style was preferable. As I indicated before, when you are part of a back-and-forth dialogue from the beginning, the last thing in the world you want to do is scroll thru all of the history of the conversation to find the latest addition at the bottom... but if you are CC'd at the end of the discussion, I agree that chrono order is more convenient --until the next reply forces you to scroll thru the stuff you've already seen to get to the newest addition. But again, "standards vary"... which is why it's been an option since the earliest versions. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 16:11:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23024; Wed, 11 May 94 16:11:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05638; Wed, 11 May 94 16:04:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from INDIV-GW.CENT.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05632; Wed, 11 May 94 16:04:16 -0700 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA21592; Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: Reverse? To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > One possible explanation is that the system manager for that site may have > made sort-key=reverse the default for the site (by putting it in the > global pine.conf file.) > > I'm not entirely sure how to over-ride this particular variable in your > personal .pinerc... You might try: sort-key="" or maybe sort-key=arrival sort-key=arrival did the trick! Thanks! Your help is very much appreciated. > [history lesson deleted] Thanks for this. The overall point of this, I think, is that most people can't be bothered to edit the quoted text to leave just enough for context, and then reply. As someone to whom this is second nature, I think having entire conversations included in an email is undesirable no matter what direction it's going in. *shrug* - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 16:23:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23328; Wed, 11 May 94 16:23:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05923; Wed, 11 May 94 16:15:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05917; Wed, 11 May 94 16:15:32 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15969; Wed, 11 May 94 16:15:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Daniel D. Todd" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reverse? In-Reply-To: <199405112228.PAA29690@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Daniel D. Todd wrote: > I prefer the "old style" too. I think the advent of the "new style" can > be attributed to two things. > 1) some people tend to over quote. > 2) some people tend to quote out of context. > > With 'new style" reply you can leave the whole message in your reply > without having to worry about pageing through 4 pages to get to the > answer. This allows people to get to the meat of a message that is over > quoted. It also prevents out of context quoting. Over-quoting is also subjective, and depends upon the business environment you operate in... sometimes a full transcript is desirable, sometimes minimalist quoting is desirable. > however it is quite annoying that many people don't bother to even delete > the sig from quoted material. There is also a third bullet for your list: 3) some people tend to have overly long signatures... > It can also be very difficult to follow point by point arguments in "new > style" replys. This is true with either policy. I've always assumed that point-by-point responses should be interspersed with the original text --so it doesn't matter what the default cursor and sig location is in those cases. (Assuming that the user has figured out how to use Pico...) OK, everybody go back to work now :) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 16:45:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23894; Wed, 11 May 94 16:45:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06378; Wed, 11 May 94 16:36:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06372; Wed, 11 May 94 16:36:42 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1NpP-000678C; Wed, 11 May 94 16:36 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA06922; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:20:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Reverse? To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > > > Imagine my surprise when my messages were in my box in the opposite order > > > in which I am used to them. > > > OK. Let me explain my confusion then, as I think I may have asked the > wrong question. > > I sent three messages to myself at this other site. I looked in the mail > spool where my incoming messages are, and there they are in the order I > sent them in, 1, 2, and 3. When I call Pine to open up my inbox, It For some stupid reason, mail sends the LAST message first...I've encountered it before. > Right now, the "sort-key" entry in my .pinerc is blank, which means it > defaults to "arrival" as you said, although it doesn't appear to be that > way in practice. (I tried putting "reverse" in there, even though it's not > listed as one of the options, and got the same behavior.) By the sounds of it you GOT arrival > > Well, we're all glad that it's a settable parameter, then, right? > > Well, I am, if you can tell me how to set it. What am I doing wrong? sort=date B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 17:00:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24282; Wed, 11 May 94 17:00:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06633; Wed, 11 May 94 16:49:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06627; Wed, 11 May 94 16:49:51 -0700 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA11524; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dick Moores Subject: Configuring pine To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope you will permit a couple of questions from a novice. I'm using v3.89. 1) Today I've seen a couple of things here about customizing pine. One made reference to "old-style-reply". I took a look at my .pinerc and searched on this but couldn't find it. I added it anyway to my "feature-list=", but it has no effect. So how can I set pine so that my reply to a message will start at the end of the quote of the message I am replying to? 2) I've just learned some vi, and had been wishing I could use it as pine's editor instead of pico. And in looking over the "old-growth" features list I found "enable-alternate-editor-cmd". I added this to my features list, and changed "editor=" to "editor=vi". Now I have vi for editing when I want it! I just hit ^_ when in the body of the msg I am editing. My question is, is there a way to use vi to read a message? Or some pager like less or pg? Too often I find myself needing to export a long msg to my home directory so I can read it with less or vi's view option. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 17:09:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25297; Wed, 11 May 94 17:09:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06818; Wed, 11 May 94 16:58:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06812; Wed, 11 May 94 16:58:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA11790; Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: inbox collections To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Like folders, is there a way to organize inboxes into groups? ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 17:15:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25490; Wed, 11 May 94 17:15:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07143; Wed, 11 May 94 17:06:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07137; Wed, 11 May 94 17:06:01 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q1OHo-0005KpC; Wed, 11 May 94 17:06 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA08437; Wed, 11 May 1994 16:40:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 16:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Problems with WYSE-50 terminals To: Brian Williams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Brian Williams wrote: > We use Wyse 150's set with vt100 emulation quite a bit here, in addition > to pc's. As far as I know there have been no problems with that emulation > and pine. What do you do for function keys, since VT100 doesn't officially support function keys? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 20:10:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28136; Wed, 11 May 94 20:10:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05519; Wed, 11 May 94 19:52:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nuscc.nus.sg by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05511; Wed, 11 May 94 19:52:31 -0700 Received: from (moe.ac.sg [166.121.1.2]) by nuscc.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA19045 for ; Thu, 12 May 1994 09:44:08 +0800 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02342; Thu, 12 May 1994 09:42:16 --800 Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:42:16 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Francis Ho Reply-To: Francis Ho Subject: Wrong date and From To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 299 When I sent to a place where there is error, eg unknown user or unknown host, the "Date" and "From" are incorrect ie Date: francis <----- Wrong From: 1.0@moe.ac.sg <----- Wrong To: francis@moe.ac.sg Subject: Could anyone please help? francis@moe.ac.sg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 21:22:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29040; Wed, 11 May 94 21:22:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06792; Wed, 11 May 94 21:14:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06786; Wed, 11 May 94 21:14:47 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02333; Wed, 11 May 94 21:14:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 21:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Dick Moores Cc: pine-info Subject: Re: Configuring pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 May 1994, Dick Moores wrote: > I hope you will permit a couple of questions from a novice. I'm using v3.89. > > 1) Today I've seen a couple of things here about customizing pine. One > made reference to "old-style-reply". I took a look at my .pinerc and > searched on this but couldn't find it. I added it anyway to my > "feature-list=", but it has no effect. So how can I set pine so that my > reply to a message will start at the end of the quote of the message I am > replying to? > old-style-reply has been deprecated in favor of the signature-at-bottom feature-list option. > 2) I've just learned some vi, and had been wishing I could use it as > pine's editor instead of pico. And in looking over the "old-growth" > features list I found "enable-alternate-editor-cmd". I added this to my > features list, and changed "editor=" to "editor=vi". Now I have vi for > editing when I want it! I just hit ^_ when in the body of the msg I am > editing. My question is, is there a way to use vi to read a message? Or > some pager like less or pg? Too often I find myself needing to export a > long msg to my home directory so I can read it with less or vi's view > option. > Not at this time. > Thanks for the requests! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 11 21:24:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29075; Wed, 11 May 94 21:24:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10996; Wed, 11 May 94 21:17:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10990; Wed, 11 May 94 21:17:01 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02347; Wed, 11 May 94 21:16:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info Subject: Re: inbox collections In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At this time there is only one incoming-folders collection. Expanding that has been suggested, but not yet implemented. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > Like folders, is there a way to organize inboxes into groups? > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 12 06:39:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05965; Thu, 12 May 94 06:39:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15262; Thu, 12 May 94 06:30:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pilot.njin.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15256; Thu, 12 May 94 06:30:28 -0700 Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA24217; Thu, 12 May 94 09:30:24 EDT Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard C. Gaine" Subject: the index in pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few complaints from some of my users that I need help with. 1. At times the index does not display any information about the message. It'll say something like, "No message text available." Can someone help me with this? 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and elm seem to work fine. 3. Esix is not running sendmail, so I am using a NetBSD 0.9 system as a mail server. At times when users send mail it says, "Mail not sent. SMTP connection went away." This doesn't happin a lot, and out LAN is fine. What could be the problem with this? Well, the only way to end this message is HELP!! Thanks for any help. Rick Gaine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 00:38:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00873; Fri, 13 May 94 00:38:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07821; Fri, 13 May 94 00:22:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07815; Fri, 13 May 94 00:22:21 -0700 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <01987-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Fri, 13 May 1994 08:22:15 +0100 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by venus.dur.ac.uk; Fri, 13 May 94 08:22:14 BST Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 08:22:08 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Reminder: last "day" for voting on whether to form comp.mail.pine To: Pine Info Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2215 I believe that this is the last "day" in the first call for votes on whether to form the Usenet News newsgroup comp.mail.pine (to run in addition to the existing pine-info mailing list). Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 May 1994. Full details have already been sent to this list. They are repeated below. -- LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.mail.pine Newsgroups line: comp.mail.pine The PINE mail user agent. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC May 13 1994 This CFV will be sent to the pine-info and pine-announce mailing lists. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact peterb@lm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Arnt Gulbrandsen . CHARTER This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred to other, more appropriate newsgroups. The group is not moderated. To be made moderated, the same procedure should be followed as for the creation of a new group at that time. The group is bidirectionally gatewayed to the mailing list pine-info@cac.washington.edu. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: vote@lm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.mail.pine I vote NO on comp.mail.pine You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 08:53:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09551; Fri, 13 May 94 08:53:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16173; Fri, 13 May 94 08:33:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16159; Fri, 13 May 94 08:33:09 -0700 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q1zEQ-000BzVC; Fri, 13 May 94 16:32 BST Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 16:32:57 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: the index in pine To: "Richard C. Gaine" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > Hello, > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. > > 1. At times the index does not display any information about the > message. It'll say something like, "No message text available." Can > someone help me with this? > This has occasionally happened to me. When I have looked in the mail folder directly PINE is telling the truth - there is nothing there! All there is is a Berkeley style header saying that there is a message and where it came from, but everything else has vanished. This effect only occurred after Saving a message; the copy in the destination folder being in this bad state. After some correspondence, pine-bugs and I thought it might correlate with the fact that the system I use NFS mounts the volumes containing my folders. A little while back they supplied me with a new version of IMAP as an experiment, and the effect has not occurred since. Does the background match yours? ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 13:01:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17287; Fri, 13 May 94 13:01:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21687; Fri, 13 May 94 12:47:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21681; Fri, 13 May 94 12:47:00 -0700 Received: by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA12435; Fri, 13 May 94 15:42:57 EDT Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: /usr/local/lib/pine.info To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is /usr/local/lib/pine.info? The man page descibles it as "A pointer to the local system administrator" (or something to that effect) so I stuck my E-Mail address in there. How and when is this file used? Is this what it is supposed to contain, or is it a biography file? I have been unable to find any other sort of documention on it. +============================================================================+ | Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator | | Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida | | | | E-Mail/MIME/finger: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | +============================================================================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 13 14:55:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21396; Fri, 13 May 94 14:55:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24200; Fri, 13 May 94 14:44:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24194; Fri, 13 May 94 14:44:47 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10614; Fri, 13 May 94 14:44:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: /usr/local/lib/pine.info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher, The contents of the pine.info file is inserted into the help text for the main menu under the heading "Local Contacts". Insert whatever local help information you want in there. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 13 May 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > What is /usr/local/lib/pine.info? The man page descibles it as "A > pointer to the local system administrator" (or something to that effect) > so I stuck my E-Mail address in there. How and when is this file used? > Is this what it is supposed to contain, or is it a biography file? I > have been unable to find any other sort of documention on it. > > +============================================================================+ > | Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator | > | Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida | > | | > | E-Mail/MIME/finger: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | > +============================================================================+ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 09:57:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09336; Sat, 14 May 94 09:57:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14137; Sat, 14 May 94 09:41:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@relay.southampton.ac.uk,@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk:T.J.Chown@ecs.southampton.ac.uk> Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14131; Sat, 14 May 94 09:41:11 -0700 Via: uk.ac.southampton.relay; Sat, 14 May 1994 17:40:34 +0100 Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (root@localhost) by mail.soton.ac.uk (8.6.4/2.12) with NIFTP id RAA02301 for pine-info%cac.washington.edu@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay; Sat, 14 May 1994 17:36:21 +0100 Via: marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 14 May 94 17:38:57 BST Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 17:52:02 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Chown Subject: Want no domain for local users To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I just fetched and installed Pine 3.89 on a Sun IPC. I'm very impressed :) But there's one little thing bugging me. I'd like to have mail to local users appear on the To/Cc/whatever lines with their full names listed. The default configuration tacks the local hostname onto the target username, which I don't really want, as we hide all hostnames under one domain here. I can do this by setting the user-domain line in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to be the local domain name. I'd prefer for this to be added "silently" and for pine users here just to see the target id as typed, preferably with a full username added in ()'s after they hit RETURN. Is this possible? Cheers, Tim Chown (postie at Soton Univ. Elec & CS Dept, UK) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 13:13:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13013; Sat, 14 May 94 13:13:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17279; Sat, 14 May 94 13:00:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17273; Sat, 14 May 94 13:00:13 -0700 Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (che@father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16788 for ; Sat, 14 May 1994 22:00:07 +0200 Received: (che@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA06529; Sat, 14 May 1994 21:59:23 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:59:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer Ekholm Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info che@ludd.luth.se From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 13:50:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13534; Sat, 14 May 94 13:50:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15674; Sat, 14 May 94 13:39:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15668; Sat, 14 May 94 13:39:41 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22755; Sat, 14 May 94 13:39:40 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 14 May 94 22:25:09+0200 Date: 14 May 94 22:25:09+0200 From: Christer Ekholm Message-Id: <688559*che@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 14:12:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13841; Sat, 14 May 94 14:12:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18232; Sat, 14 May 94 14:04:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18224; Sat, 14 May 94 14:04:43 -0700 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.0 VAX) id 8; Sat, 14 May 1994 17:05:29 EST Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 17:05:28 EST From: "Frank M. Bright" To: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Cc: bright@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <0097E6D3.E82780E0.8@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Pine on an IBM RS6000 I am trying to stall Pine on an IBM RS6000 using AIX. I copied the AIX version of Pine and I couldn't get it to work. Can someone give me a helping hand??? Frank Bright Programmer/Techinical Specialist Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science Philadelphia, PA Internet: bright@shrsys.hslc.org Phone: 215.596.8532 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 19:28:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18149; Sat, 14 May 94 19:28:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22708; Sat, 14 May 94 19:20:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from recycle.snre.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22702; Sat, 14 May 94 19:20:23 -0700 Received: by snre.umich.edu (8.6.8.1/2.2) id WAA13463; Sat, 14 May 1994 22:20:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 22:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Tang Subject: "Internet" Pine Introduction document via electronic media To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks. A little while back I wrote some documentation for Pine. I said that I'd get an HTML version and a straight text version up soon... well. I've finished (finally). There are 2 versions. one is a WWW version. You can get it via: http://www.snre.umich.edu/pinedocs/pine.internet.intro.html If you've got any url's in any home page that point to the old one, please change it. I'm probably going to take the other one off line soon. the other is a gopher document (straight text). Name=An Introduction to Unix Pine (General, made for the Internet) Type=0 Port=70 Path=0/doc/pine.internet.txt Host=gopher.snre.umich.edu OR gopher://gopher.snre.umich.edu:70/00/doc/pine.internet.txt Have fun. Please contact me if you have any comments/questions/requests about this document. ...alex... Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET -----------+ UM-SNRE: Student, Computer Consultant III, & SysAdmin PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) or via fing| WWW -> http://www.snre.umich.edu/users/altitude/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 22:12:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20479; Sat, 14 May 94 22:12:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24696; Sat, 14 May 94 21:59:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24690; Sat, 14 May 94 21:59:49 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09683; Sat, 14 May 94 21:59:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Frank M. Bright" Cc: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU, bright@shrsys.hslc.org Subject: Re: Pine on an IBM RS6000 In-Reply-To: <0097E6D3.E82780E0.8@shrsys.hslc.org> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What have you tried (specifically) and what are your symptoms? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 14 May 1994, Frank M. Bright wrote: > I am trying to stall Pine on an IBM RS6000 using AIX. I copied the AIX version > of Pine and I couldn't get it to work. Can someone give me a helping hand??? > > Frank Bright > Programmer/Techinical Specialist > Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science > Philadelphia, PA > Internet: bright@shrsys.hslc.org > Phone: 215.596.8532 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 14 23:54:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22054; Sat, 14 May 94 23:54:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23714; Sat, 14 May 94 23:46:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from YFN2.YSU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23708; Sat, 14 May 94 23:46:12 -0700 Received: by yfn2.ysu.edu id AA06417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sun, 15 May 1994 02:47:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 02:47:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199405150647.AA06417@yfn2.ysu.edu> From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) To: jimbuck@atc.boeing.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: What Are The ISO-8859-x Standards? Reply-To: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu >I wonder what they are ... probably can't display them with VT-100 telnet... The ISO-8859 standards are ways of representing languages other than US-ASCII-based English, primarily European languages. Asian languages use a different set of standards. The most common subset of ISO8859 is that used by western European languages, ISO-8859-1, and can be used for French, German, Spanish, Swedish, and so on. All these subsets have in common that their first 128 characters are equivalent to US-ASCII, and that the remaining 128 characters (those with bit 8 set, or 8-bit characters) are used for additional characters and diacritics, although the first 32 of them, just as the first 32 ASCII characters, are control characters. Other ISO8859 subsets can be used to write eastern European languages, or Greek, or Russian, or Hebrew, or Arabic... A true real-honest-to-goodness VT100 terminal does not have the ability to display more than the ASCII characters. However, many terminal emulators which more-or-less follow the VT100 standard have the ability to display additional 8-bit characters. Telnet itself will pass along this 8-bit data; for other connections, you may have to make sure your configuration passes 8-bit data. If you're running a VT100 emulator on a PC or something, you may see 8-bit data as funny Greek and other incorrect characters, since the PC code page probably does not match ISO8859-1. You can probably translate the 8-bit characters to the correct ones, or find a code page which has the correct characters in the correct positions. An example of this would be MS-Kermit; however, NCSA telnet for the PC does not pass 8-bit data. If you are looking for code pages or fonts to view various of the ISO8859 subsets, I set up the anonymous FTP server at ftp.vszbr.cz with two directories under /pub: PC-fonts and X11-fonts. The first contains lots of fun fonts, and under the latter, you can find a few fonts for all the ISO8859 subsets except Hebrew (which should be included in the standard X distribution), and Arabic. Consult your local system documentation for what to do with them... As Pine permits you to send mail using any of the ISO8859 subsets and will pass along the 8-bit data it receives in MIME format, you can use the fonts above to view practically any message sent with one of these character sets. Fonts for viewing other encodings, such as Asian languages, could be found elsewhere, although there is a Thai font on ftp.vszbr.cz, and more I've forgotten. Hope that's what you wanted to know and more... -- Barry Bouwsma, back in Michigan, wishes he were in Europe MIME mail to , ASCII text to Unemployed System Cracker and Unix Administrator, seeking work, food, warmth, companionship, free airline tickets, and lots of money From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 15 13:35:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01041; Sun, 15 May 94 13:35:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04870; Sun, 15 May 94 13:24:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vector.casti.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04864; Sun, 15 May 94 13:24:46 -0700 Return-Path: disc@vector.casti.com Received: by vector.casti.com (NX5.67d/5.931230) id AA18850; Sun, 15 May 94 16:20:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: David Casti Subject: Re: PGP? To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi David, About a month ago, we spoke briefly about PGP and pine. One of your comments was -- > PGP support is requested quite frequently, but due to legal > considerations we are very unlikely to distribute any explicit support for > PGP. In case you haven't already heard, there is a very exciting new development on this front. PGP version 2.5 was released on or about May 5, and the start of the documentation for that version reads: Changes to PGP 2.5: ***** MOST IMPORTANT ***** This version of PGP uses RSAREF 2.0, so it's legal in the U.S.! The RSAREF license forbids you to (among other things; see the license for full details) "use the program to provide services to others for which you are compensated in any manner", but that still covers a lot of people. > We are looking into the possibility of providing some general hooks > though... I'm all for general hooks, but since PGP is already so widely used and now that all legal barriers (in this country) have been removed, I'd like to encourage your group to reconsider including patches for PGP in your contrib/ directory. You certainly don't have to distribute PGP -- just include some patches for those of us who use it. Let me know what you think, David. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 15 17:17:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03017; Sun, 15 May 94 17:17:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07909; Sun, 15 May 94 17:06:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07903; Sun, 15 May 94 17:06:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA07153; Sun, 15 May 1994 19:12:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 19:11:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: PGP? To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm also all for PGP inclusion into pine, and while there is some concerns about the politics behind MIT-PGP and the fact that it is an as-of-yet untested encryption algoritm, I do believe that some ideas should be tossed around the Pine-makers about how to ultimately implement some kind of public key cryptography into pine. NOTE: MIT-PGP might be fine, but it was only released a short time ago, and it has not yet been fully tested among the cypherpunk community, and thus cannot be fully endorsed. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 15 21:55:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05792; Sun, 15 May 94 21:55:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14728; Sun, 15 May 94 21:43:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14722; Sun, 15 May 94 21:43:33 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27513; Sun, 15 May 94 21:42:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 21:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: David Casti , "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PGP? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David and Robert: We are very interested in these developments... While the hooks for pgp/pem/whatever won't be in 3.90, they are very definitely on our "short" list. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 05:15:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11462; Mon, 16 May 94 05:15:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17928; Mon, 16 May 94 04:59:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vector.casti.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17922; Mon, 16 May 94 04:59:25 -0700 Return-Path: disc@vector.casti.com Received: by vector.casti.com (NX5.67d/5.931230) id AA00322; Mon, 16 May 94 07:54:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 07:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: David Casti Subject: Re: PGP? To: Terry Gray Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" , David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Terry, > We are very interested in these developments... > While the hooks for pgp/pem/whatever won't be in 3.90, > they are very definitely on our "short" list. While I'm very interested in your team adding full support for PGP/etc in your code, would you consider including a PGP patch in your contrib/ directory? Thanks, David. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 05:52:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12001; Mon, 16 May 94 05:52:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18478; Mon, 16 May 94 05:36:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from FINANCE.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18472; Mon, 16 May 94 05:36:51 -0700 Received: by finance.wharton.upenn.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26005; Mon, 16 May 1994 08:36:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 08:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Robinson Subject: 3.90 Release date To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am sure this question has been asked many times, but I haven't been able to locate it myself....when is the expected release date for 3.90 (or approximate) and is there a "new feature list" available yet? Mike +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Mike Robinson mrobinsn@wharton.upenn.edu At one point in my life I had a clear sense of direction and a great future to look forward to. College changed all that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 15:15:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29587; Mon, 16 May 94 15:15:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00703; Mon, 16 May 94 15:01:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from noknic.nokia.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00697; Mon, 16 May 94 15:01:28 -0700 Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by nokia.com (4.1/KM201293) id AA07333; Tue, 17 May 94 01:01:17 +0300 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25281; Tue, 17 May 94 01:01:15 +0300 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27489; Tue, 17 May 94 01:01:13 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 01:01:13 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Subject: SPRUCE new documentation available on WWW To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SPRUCE is a rewrite of PINE 3.89 that has an OSF/Motif Graphical User Interface. It has not yet been released, but now you can read hypertext multimedia documents about it on-line through the WWW using the following URL: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/Spruce.html -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com homepage: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 17:20:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04923; Mon, 16 May 94 17:20:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09191; Mon, 16 May 94 17:06:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gothic.acs.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09185; Mon, 16 May 94 17:05:59 -0700 Received: by gothic.acs.csulb.edu id AA03848 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 16 May 1994 17:05:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 17:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: PGP? To: David Casti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 May 1994, David Casti wrote: > > We are very interested in these developments... > > While the hooks for pgp/pem/whatever won't be in 3.90, > > they are very definitely on our "short" list. > > While I'm very interested in your team adding full support for PGP/etc in > your code, would you consider including a PGP patch in your contrib/ > directory? Can someone forward me a copy of the patch that was made to integrate PGP into pine? I've grabbed the new version of PGP and I'd like to patch my current copy of pine and start using it... _O_ Ryan L. Watkins e-mail: vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services url : http://www.acs.csulb.edu/~vamp/ | CSU Long Beach - Network Support pgpkey: finger vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 16 18:29:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06329; Mon, 16 May 94 18:29:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05148; Mon, 16 May 94 18:17:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05134; Mon, 16 May 94 18:17:28 -0700 Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (che@father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA13568 for ; Tue, 17 May 1994 03:17:25 +0200 From: Christer Ekholm Received: (che@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id DAA05991; Tue, 17 May 1994 03:17:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 03:17:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199405170117.DAA05991@father.ludd.luth.se> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: some configuration questions/suggestions * Is it possible to configure the default answer to the "Save the 1 read message" question? * Is it possible to configure what line is inversed in main menu at startup? If the answer to the questions abowe is no, think of them as suggestions. Personly I think that nothing can be too configurable. Christer Ekholm # che@ludd.luth.se # Lulea University Computer Society (Ludd),Sweden # ---------------- # PS Excuse my misplaced subscribe-message. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 17 14:44:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03276; Tue, 17 May 94 14:44:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26295; Tue, 17 May 94 14:27:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from booster.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26285; Tue, 17 May 94 14:27:08 -0700 Received: by booster.u.washington.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05411; Tue, 17 May 94 14:27:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 14:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Corey Lawson Subject: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Pine-Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The standard default with Pine is that if one starts another Pine session then any previous instantiations of Pine are made read-only on the various open mail boxes. I guess I find this annoying. Any thoughs about changing the behaviour so that the first instantiation does not have its mailboxes locked, and any additional instantiations get only read-only access? And keyboard customization. Any thoughts about having a keymap file so that us poor people who use emacs for their editor for other things besides Pine can, for instance, change ^O to insert a new line, instead of postponing a message? Yes, I realize that this will probably not work for every terminal type out there, but for the vast majority of VT-100ish users this could have potential... -Corey Lawson alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu ------------------------------------- U U W W W Bothell Campus U U W W W W =================== UUU W W Computer Facilities ------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 17 15:11:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04362; Tue, 17 May 94 15:11:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27031; Tue, 17 May 94 14:59:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27025; Tue, 17 May 94 14:59:38 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05605; Tue, 17 May 94 14:59:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 14:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Corey Lawson Cc: Pine-Info Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Corey, Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. Another alternative is to convert to the Tenex folder format which allows simultaneous read/write access. This format is not recognized by other mail tools though... We have absolutely no intention to support keyboard customization. We feel that the small gain for a few power-users is not worth the endless support nightmare for those who accidently do something strange. If you want a customized keyboard in the composer, I suggest using the alternate-editor feature... Thanks for the suggestions! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 17 May 1994, Corey Lawson wrote: > The standard default with Pine is that if one starts another Pine session > then any previous instantiations of Pine are made read-only on the various > open mail boxes. > > I guess I find this annoying. Any thoughs about changing the behaviour so > that the first instantiation does not have its mailboxes locked, and any > additional instantiations get only read-only access? > > And keyboard customization. Any thoughts about having a keymap file so > that us poor people who use emacs for their editor for other things > besides Pine can, for instance, change ^O to insert a new line, instead > of postponing a message? Yes, I realize that this will probably not work > for every terminal type out there, but for the vast majority of VT-100ish > users this could have potential... > > -Corey Lawson > alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu > > ------------------------------------- > U U W W W Bothell Campus > U U W W W W =================== > UUU W W Computer Facilities > ------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 17 17:33:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08931; Tue, 17 May 94 17:33:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00633; Tue, 17 May 94 17:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from acad.csv.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00619; Tue, 17 May 94 17:23:51 -0700 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA02546; Tue, 17 May 94 20:25:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 20:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Unger Subject: Sort by To: Field To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nobody responded from the first message I sent about having Pine sort the "to:" field when starting pine. I think this would be helpful for those of use who belong to 2 or 3 mailing lists. That way each list would be sorted in alpha order. Or is there a way to send incoming mail to a specific folder? (ex: Pine Mailing list to "pine" folder; Emacs list to "emacs" folder etc??) /********************************SBK**************************************\ |** Chris Unger MicroComputer Specialist **| |** unge1845@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Computer Services Room 112b **| S** cunger@nyx.cs.du.edu Kutztown University, PA **S B** **B K** Anyone can win, **K |** unless of course there happens Finger unge1845 for Hours **| |** to be a second contestant. and Phone Numbers **| \********************************SBK**************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 00:59:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15732; Wed, 18 May 94 00:59:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15071; Wed, 18 May 94 00:46:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15065; Wed, 18 May 94 00:46:28 -0700 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <20807-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Wed, 18 May 1994 08:46:21 +0100 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by venus.dur.ac.uk; Wed, 18 May 94 08:46:19 BST Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:46:14 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: David L Miller Cc: Pine-Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 932 On Tue, 17 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that > made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update > their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to > steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will > cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. ... Sometime ago I wanted to use pine in a readonly mode and looked at the man page and didn't find an option to do it. I don't believe that the -o option is documented in pine's man page (as at 3.89). -- Barry Cornelius Until 15 Apr 95: (091 or +44 91) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, From 01 Aug 94: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 University of Durham, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Fax: 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 06:36:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22494; Wed, 18 May 94 06:36:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12760; Wed, 18 May 94 06:17:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12754; Wed, 18 May 94 06:17:31 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA69137; Wed, 18 May 1994 08:09:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:09:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 06:50:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22769; Wed, 18 May 94 06:50:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13051; Wed, 18 May 94 06:33:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13045; Wed, 18 May 94 06:33:35 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA71069; Wed, 18 May 1994 08:25:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:25:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:01:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23057; Wed, 18 May 94 07:01:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13216; Wed, 18 May 94 06:43:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13210; Wed, 18 May 94 06:43:11 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20103; Wed, 18 May 94 06:43:08 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 18 May 94 15:36:18+0200 Date: 18 May 94 15:36:18+0200 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Message-Id: <693634*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine-Info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:05:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23105; Wed, 18 May 94 07:05:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20942; Wed, 18 May 94 06:40:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20936; Wed, 18 May 94 06:40:19 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail2.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <21874-0@mail2.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 18 May 1994 14:39:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 14:39:29 +0100 (BST) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: David L Miller Cc: Corey Lawson , Pine-Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1728 > On Tue, 17 May 1994, Corey Lawson wrote: > > > The standard default with Pine is that if one starts another Pine session > > then any previous instantiations of Pine are made read-only on the various > > open mail boxes. > > > > I guess I find this annoying. Any thoughs about changing the behaviour so > > that the first instantiation does not have its mailboxes locked, and any > > additional instantiations get only read-only access? AND THEN David L Miller replied: > Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that > made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update > their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to > steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will > cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. My suggestion: how about an option (call it -O ?) which has the effect of -o if another session has the lock, but is r/w otherwise? That way, when (as I do) I start up pine, forgetting that another pine session or other MUA already has access to the mailbox I will not screw up the first one (ECSmail really gets its knickers in a twist if you do this!), but otherwise I will get normal access. If I really DO want to grab the lock for my new session I can re-start pine without the special option. (Maybe there could be a way of doing this from within pine, but it's not that important.) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:14:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23309; Wed, 18 May 94 07:14:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13447; Wed, 18 May 94 06:58:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13441; Wed, 18 May 94 06:58:13 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20276; Wed, 18 May 94 06:58:12 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 18 May 94 15:54:04+0200 Date: 18 May 94 15:54:04+0200 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Message-Id: <693649*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine-Info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:49:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24239; Wed, 18 May 94 07:49:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21815; Wed, 18 May 94 07:29:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jabba.lib.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21809; Wed, 18 May 94 07:29:47 -0700 Received: by jabba.lib.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.24 ) id AA21334; Wed, 18 May 94 07:29:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 07:29:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Garrett Subject: Re: your mail To: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Cc: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine-Info In-Reply-To: <693649*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try 'pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu' instead of the entire list. :-) -Adam On 18 May 1994 fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us wrote: > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 07:56:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24399; Wed, 18 May 94 07:56:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21998; Wed, 18 May 94 07:35:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21983; Wed, 18 May 94 07:35:17 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA69973; Wed, 18 May 1994 09:26:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 09:26:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Porting Pine to SCO-Unix To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have downloaded a binary of Pine from soils.agron.iastate.edu for SCO-Unix. However, when we run it we get a "core dumped" at the point after where the first screen comes up. We get the message "OPENING INBOX" and then the program crashes. I have a copy of the debug file and my pinerc file too, if anybody wants to take a look. Any help here will be much appreciated. Chris Fullinfaw fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (712)274-8733x1291 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 08:10:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24869; Wed, 18 May 94 08:10:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22454; Wed, 18 May 94 07:54:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22448; Wed, 18 May 94 07:54:25 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA79284; Wed, 18 May 1994 09:46:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 09:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: my mail To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I can't seem to get the message text part of my mail across to pine-info - can anybody read at least this message? Replies will be appreciated as I don't know why I can't get through. Thanks. Chris Fullinfaw fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (712)274-8733x1291 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 09:15:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27898; Wed, 18 May 94 09:15:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16006; Wed, 18 May 94 08:54:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16000; Wed, 18 May 94 08:54:25 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21587; Wed, 18 May 94 08:51:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Barry Cornelius Cc: Pine-Info Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unfortunately that is not the only thing missing from the Pine 3.89 man page. Use "pine -h" for a more accurate list of commands... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 18 May 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Actually, Pine used to have the first instantiation keep the lock, but that > > made it impossible for e.g. someone who left Pine running at work to update > > their INBOX while dialed in from home. If you don't want a second session to > > steal the lock, start Pine with the "-o" command line option. This will > > cause Pine to open your INBOX read-only and not steal the lock. ... > > Sometime ago I wanted to use pine in a readonly mode and looked at the > man page and didn't find an option to do it. I don't believe that the > -o option is documented in pine's man page (as at 3.89). > > -- > Barry Cornelius Until 15 Apr 95: (091 or +44 91) 374 4717 > IT Service, Science Site, From 01 Aug 94: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 > University of Durham, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Fax: 374 3741 > Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 11:00:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02042; Wed, 18 May 94 11:00:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18518; Wed, 18 May 94 10:31:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18512; Wed, 18 May 94 10:31:31 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA29227; Wed, 18 May 94 10:33:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Subject: Problem With Deleting Lines of Text To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been trouble deleting lines of text in the Pico editor. I tried marking text with ^^ but ^K does not "Cut Text". How is line deletion done? -- Thanks, Jim Buck BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) FAX: (206) 965-6110; M/S 7P-CP; Bd. 7-359 12N4 Issaquah, Washington, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 12:14:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04810; Wed, 18 May 94 12:14:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29194; Wed, 18 May 94 11:46:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from arcfos1.arclch.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29186; Wed, 18 May 94 11:46:39 -0700 Received: Wed, 18 May 94 14:49:08 EDT by arcfos1.arclch.com (4.1) Date: Wed, 18 May 94 14:49:08 EDT From: (Ajay Nautilus Kochhar) Message-Id: <9405181849.AA01431@arcfos1.arclch.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Irix port Hi [folks], Does anyone have a Pine executable for Sgi platforms? -Ajay. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 13:55:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08517; Wed, 18 May 94 13:55:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22847; Wed, 18 May 94 13:26:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from baker.nwnet.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22841; Wed, 18 May 94 13:26:47 -0700 Received: from mail.nwnet.net by baker.nwnet.net (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18841; Wed, 18 May 94 13:26:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 13:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Sort by To: Field To: Chris Unger Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, and for sorting your sent-mail folders too! LL On Tue, 17 May 1994, Chris Unger wrote: > Nobody responded from the first message I sent about having Pine > sort the "to:" field when starting pine. I think this would be helpful > for those of use who belong to 2 or 3 mailing lists. That way each list > would be sorted in alpha order. > Or is there a way to send incoming mail to a specific folder? > (ex: Pine Mailing list to "pine" folder; Emacs list to "emacs" folder etc??) > > > /********************************SBK**************************************\ > |** Chris Unger MicroComputer Specialist **| > |** unge1845@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Computer Services Room 112b **| > S** cunger@nyx.cs.du.edu Kutztown University, PA **S > B** **B > K** Anyone can win, **K > |** unless of course there happens Finger unge1845 for Hours **| > |** to be a second contestant. and Phone Numbers **| > \********************************SBK**************************************/ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 18 19:54:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16748; Wed, 18 May 94 19:54:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10440; Wed, 18 May 94 19:45:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eng.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10432; Wed, 18 May 94 19:45:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 22:45:19 -400 (EDT) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Pine/Pico for SCO Unix To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know there is an early port for Pine for SCO Unix (3.89), but there is a bug or problem when using it with MMDF, has that been resolved and is Pine fully workable under MMDF SCO Unix or SCO ODT 3.0? Thanks. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 01:24:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20782; Thu, 19 May 94 01:24:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15495; Thu, 19 May 94 01:11:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15481; Thu, 19 May 94 01:11:18 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q43C7-000BzEC; Thu, 19 May 94 09:11 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q43CW-0001g5C; Thu, 19 May 94 09:11 BST Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:11:31 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: David L Miller Cc: Barry Cornelius , Pine-Info , Tony Stoneley In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Unfortunately that is not the only thing missing from the Pine 3.89 man > page. Use "pine -h" for a more accurate list of commands... That shows -o ReadOnly - Open first folder read-only Is there any way of opening *subsequent* folders read-only? We have an archive of all messages to our hostmaster, and it would be very nice to be able to access it from a normal pine session in a read-only manner. I'd like to be able to mark folder collections in the .pinerc file as read-only. Philip -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 03:08:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22187; Thu, 19 May 94 03:08:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06311; Thu, 19 May 94 02:53:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06297; Thu, 19 May 94 02:53:18 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q44mm-000BzLC; Thu, 19 May 94 10:53 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q44n9-0001g5C; Thu, 19 May 94 10:53 BST Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:53:27 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: maillist Pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The comments about read-only versions of Pine provoked this message from a non-Pine-using member of our staff. I thought it worth sharing... -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 'hmm. The thing I hate most of all about Pine and many other mailers is that you can't go in for a quick trial (not even just to read the otherwise inaccessible documentation!) without having it trample about all over the place. It's specially aggravating to have it touching your inbox. If you are already deeply committed in some other mail world and can't afford to risk screwing it up, there's real disincentive ever to risk trying Pine. One possibility would be an option to force everything (er, except stdio!) to be openned read-only; another might be a "noclobber" option, one that guarantees never to open for writing any file that had not been created in the same session. Doubtless some deeper thought needed. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 06:08:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25237; Thu, 19 May 94 06:08:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08991; Thu, 19 May 94 05:47:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from flipper.pvv.unit.no by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08985; Thu, 19 May 94 05:46:58 -0700 Received: (from agulbra@localhost) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA10906 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 19 May 1994 14:46:55 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-Id: <199405191246.OAA10906@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Subject: Pine's time zone is wrong? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 14:46:53 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 512 Lookahere: Received: from terrazzo.lm.com (terrazzo.lm.com [192.231.221.6]) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Thu, 19 May 1994 05:34:06 +0200 Received: (from [deleted]@localhost) by terrazzo.lm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA26815; Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:08 +0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To me this suggests that some version of Pine 3.89 gets the time zone sign wrong. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 07:19:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26158; Thu, 19 May 94 07:19:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10130; Thu, 19 May 94 07:01:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from andy.bgsu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10124; Thu, 19 May 94 07:01:16 -0700 Received: by andy.bgsu.edu (5.65/4.0) id AA19942 ; Thu, 19 May 94 10:01:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 May 94 10:01:11 -0400 From: Ken Kutz Message-Id: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine/pico for freenet software Cc: herber@andy.bgsu.edu We are implementing a captive menu system and would like to use pine and pico as the MUA and editor of choice. Are you aware of any security problems (i.e. ways of escape such as shell escapes etc.) from either of these programs? Secondly, would you have any references for us of people who are using pine and pico in this fashion? Thanks very much. Ken From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 07:47:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26535; Thu, 19 May 94 07:47:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10530; Thu, 19 May 94 07:29:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10524; Thu, 19 May 94 07:29:30 -0700 Received: by mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca id AA06195 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 19 May 1994 10:28:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Muriel McKay Subject: Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:21:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27790; Thu, 19 May 94 08:21:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22054; Thu, 19 May 94 08:02:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22044; Thu, 19 May 94 08:02:33 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q49a8-000BzUC; Thu, 19 May 94 16:00 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q49aU-0001g5C; Thu, 19 May 94 16:00 BST Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 16:00:42 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: pine/pico for freenet software To: Ken Kutz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, herber@andy.bgsu.edu, mail-support@ucs.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > We are implementing a captive menu system and would like to use pine > and pico as the MUA and editor of choice. Are you aware of any > security problems (i.e. ways of escape such as shell escapes etc.) > from either of these programs? Yes! We had a hard time with our students last October, on an untried system. We had to hack pine to prevent the users setting up a personal printer command. We also had to set the global configuration so that any attempt to enter an "alternate editor" just ran a script that said "sorry, you can't use an alternate editor". I think our other problems were not specifically related to Pine, but to the Perl scripts that implement our menu system. (Don't, for example, let a user type a file name and then just obey Perl's "open" command on it without checking its contents. They don't take long to discover that typing names such as "|sh" give interesting effects...) Philip -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:56:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29026; Thu, 19 May 94 08:56:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12150; Thu, 19 May 94 08:37:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12144; Thu, 19 May 94 08:37:36 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16366; Thu, 19 May 94 08:37:34 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 19 May 94 17:32:04+0200 Date: 19 May 94 17:32:04+0200 From: Muriel McKay Message-Id: <695373*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> In-Reply-To: <9405191401.AA19942@andy.bgsu.edu> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Ken Kutz , maillist Pine Cc: herber@andy.bgsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:57:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29072; Thu, 19 May 94 08:57:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23199; Thu, 19 May 94 08:41:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23172; Thu, 19 May 94 08:40:57 -0700 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22841; Thu, 19 May 94 11:40:01 EDT Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Philip Hazel Cc: maillist Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It would be nice if pine would respond to commands without waiting for the inbox to open. This is one of my main frustrations with pine. It is partly my fault. I'm terribly messy and generally have a very large inbox. (On one machine I have to keep it cleaned up a bit because I run out of space and pine refuses to start and dumps core. A nice reminder, but perhaps a liitle extreme.) I frequently want to get in to pine to do several things -- compose a message, read a message in a folder, and then reduce the stuff in my inbox. Even if I could get directly to the folder using a command line option it would be a pain. I like the nice general purpose command "pine" to get into the program. I think I see that there would be a programming problem to get behaviour different than what you have now. There is a need to wait to see that the open returns with sucess. But ..... /dan -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 08:59:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29267; Thu, 19 May 94 08:59:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23042; Thu, 19 May 94 08:36:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23036; Thu, 19 May 94 08:36:03 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12001; Thu, 19 May 94 08:35:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Philip Hazel Cc: maillist Pine Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Philip, It's true that --unless you open with the -o flag-- Pine will update the status of messages you actually look at (or delete!), but an original design goal of Pine was that it would *not* steal your inbox and "hide" it somewhere, like some other mailers do. That continues to be the default behavior of Pine, although a site administrator can link in the mbox driver or configure for mail.txt (tenex format) and lose that characteristic. The rationale was exactly that mentioned by your colleague: we wanted to make sure people could try Pine and not regret it, or switch back and forth among mailers easily. -teg On Thu, 19 May 1994, Philip Hazel wrote: > The comments about read-only versions of Pine provoked this message from > a non-Pine-using member of our staff. I thought it worth sharing... > > -- > Philip Hazel University Computing Service, > ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > 'hmm. The thing I hate most of all about Pine and many other mailers is > that you can't go in for a quick trial (not even just to read the > otherwise inaccessible documentation!) without having it trample about > all over the place. It's specially aggravating to have it touching > your inbox. If you are already deeply committed in some other mail > world and can't afford to risk screwing it up, there's real > disincentive ever to risk trying Pine. > > One possibility would be an option to force everything (er, except > stdio!) to be openned read-only; another might be a "noclobber" option, > one that guarantees never to open for writing any file that had not > been created in the same session. Doubtless some deeper thought needed. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 09:56:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02203; Thu, 19 May 94 09:56:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24309; Thu, 19 May 94 09:20:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24290; Thu, 19 May 94 09:20:15 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18992; Thu, 19 May 94 09:19:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine's time zone is wrong? In-Reply-To: <199405191246.OAA10906@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The HP/UX port and possibly others do have a timezone bug.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 19 May 1994, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Lookahere: > > Received: from terrazzo.lm.com (terrazzo.lm.com [192.231.221.6]) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Thu, 19 May 1994 05:34:06 +0200 > Received: (from [deleted]@localhost) by terrazzo.lm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA26815; Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:11 -0400 > Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:08 +0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: > > To me this suggests that some version of Pine 3.89 gets the time zone sign > wrong. > > --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 09:58:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02334; Thu, 19 May 94 09:58:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13341; Thu, 19 May 94 09:17:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13335; Thu, 19 May 94 09:17:51 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18961; Thu, 19 May 94 09:17:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: Problem With Deleting Lines of Text In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Do you get any response when ^K is pressed? If not you may have something intercepting it before it gets to Pine. Try "ESC ESC k" as a work-around... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 18 May 1994, Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072 wrote: > I have been trouble deleting lines of text in the Pico editor. I tried > marking text with ^^ but ^K does not "Cut Text". How is line deletion > done? > > -- > Thanks, Jim Buck > BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) > FAX: (206) 965-6110; M/S 7P-CP; Bd. 7-359 12N4 > Issaquah, Washington, USA > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 11:48:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06273; Thu, 19 May 94 11:48:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16605; Thu, 19 May 94 11:30:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from atc.boeing.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16599; Thu, 19 May 94 11:30:34 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA11390; Thu, 19 May 94 11:32:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072" Subject: Re: Problem With Deleting Lines of Text To: Pine List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I tried it and it works. Works: 1) Mark text: ^^ 2) Select text: arrow keys 3) ESC ESC k Does not work: 1) & 2) same as before 3) ^K I wouldn't be surprised if something is intercepting characters. Here's my setup: Ungermann-Bass Telnet (TN100.EXE) on an IBM PS/2, PC-DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1 Unix Host: atc.boeing.com running Ultrix On Thu, 19 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Jim, > > Do you get any response when ^K is pressed? If not you may have > something intercepting it before it gets to Pine. Try "ESC ESC k" as a > work-around... > > --DLM > > On Wed, 18 May 1994, Jim Buck, (206) 965-6072 wrote: > > > I have been trouble deleting lines of text in the Pico editor. I tried > > marking text with ^^ but ^K does not "Cut Text". How is line deletion > > done? -- Thanks, Jim Buck BCS CATIA Plotting Applications (G-2D17) FAX: (206) 965-6110; M/S 7P-CP; Bd. 7-359 12N4 Issaquah, Washington, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 14:10:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11207; Thu, 19 May 94 14:10:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01269; Thu, 19 May 94 13:47:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mento.oit.unc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01260; Thu, 19 May 94 13:47:54 -0700 Received: by mento.oit.unc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/TAS/11-16-88) id AA01382; Thu, 19 May 94 16:47:53 EDT Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 16:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Jones Subject: MIME decoding To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We live in a diverse world in which not all mailers do MIME decoding/encoding--yet. This means that folks without Pine or Metamail or the like (say folks running DaVinci for example) are sometimes stuck in the following situation: Someone using pine sends them mail with a MIME attachment. They receive the message and are able to save the file. BUT the file is now in MIME (base 64) encoding and can't be cracked. Is there a MIME/deMIME program for PCs and/or Macs? If the file were to be transfered to a host with Pine, could Pine be used to decode it (I think not easily)? I can't believe that we're the only ones who have had this problem. What have others done? Thanks for your help, Paul ============================================== Paul Jones Office FOR Information Technology University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC Paul_Jones@unc.edu Imagination is more important than knowledge - A. Einstein From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 15:25:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13427; Thu, 19 May 94 15:25:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22015; Thu, 19 May 94 15:12:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from flipper.pvv.unit.no by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22009; Thu, 19 May 94 15:12:16 -0700 Received: (from agulbra@localhost) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA18716; Fri, 20 May 1994 00:12:02 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-Id: <199405192212.AAA18716@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Subject: Re: MIME decoding To: pjones@mento.oit.unc.edu (Paul Jones) Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 00:12:00 +0200 (EET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Paul Jones" at May 19, 94 04:47:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 443 > Is there a MIME/deMIME program for PCs and/or Macs? There's mpack/munpack. Here's the text it inserts before the first bodypart: This is a MIME encoded message. Decode it with "munpack" or any other MIME reading software. Mpack/munpack is available in Volume 3 of comp.sources.reviewed or via anonymous FTP in export.acs.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/ Version 1.3 was released just a few days ago, I saw an announcement on comp.mail.mime. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 19 18:51:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18571; Thu, 19 May 94 18:51:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26355; Thu, 19 May 94 18:40:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26349; Thu, 19 May 94 18:40:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA22027; Thu, 19 May 1994 18:40:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199405200140.SAA22027@weber.ucsd.edu> To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Arnt Gulbrandsen Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine's time zone is wrong? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 May 1994 09:19:35 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <22023.769398055.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 18:40:55 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" Telnet to the host in lookahere has a display banner for 4.3 BSD Unix. This error doesn't occur on my HP*-*UX system (9.00). -mike > > The HP/UX port and possibly others do have a timezone bug.... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Thu, 19 May 1994, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > Lookahere: > > > > Received: from terrazzo.lm.com (terrazzo.lm.com [192.231.221.6]) by flipper .pvv.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Th u, 19 May 1994 05:34:06 +0200 > > Received: (from [deleted]@localhost) by terrazzo.lm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XA A26815; Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:11 -0400 > > Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:34:08 +0400 (EDT) > > Message-ID: > > > > To me this suggests that some version of Pine 3.89 gets the time zone sign > > wrong. > > > > --Arnt > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 01:37:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23549; Fri, 20 May 94 01:37:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02106; Fri, 20 May 94 01:18:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02100; Fri, 20 May 94 01:18:24 -0700 Received: from apus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.2] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q4PmV-000BzPC; Fri, 20 May 94 09:18 BST Received: by apus.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q4PmU-000347C; Fri, 20 May 94 09:18 BST Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 09:18:10 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Landy Reply-To: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Dan Schlitt Cc: maillist Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 May 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote: > It would be nice if pine would respond to commands without waiting for the > inbox to open. This is one of my main frustrations with pine. It is Suggestion: set up an empty folder (in mail/ or wherever your folders are) and define it as your inbox; have your real inbox as a secondary incoming mail collection. I do not believe that Pine will try to open the second one unless you try to Go there explicitly, or via TAB, or the folder list. > partly my fault. I'm terribly messy and generally have a very large > inbox. (On one machine I have to keep it cleaned up a bit because I run > out of space and pine refuses to start and dumps core. A nice reminder, > but perhaps a liitle extreme.) [several lines cut] > > > Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems > dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York > (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 02:41:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24200; Fri, 20 May 94 02:41:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14197; Fri, 20 May 94 02:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14191; Fri, 20 May 94 02:23:51 -0700 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0q4Qmb-000BzSC; Fri, 20 May 94 10:22 BST Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #137) id m0q4QmZ-0001g5C; Fri, 20 May 94 10:22 BST Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 10:22:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Multiple Pine behavior... To: Dan Schlitt Cc: maillist Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > It would be nice if pine would respond to commands without waiting for the > inbox to open. This is one of my main frustrations with pine. It is > partly my fault. I'm terribly messy and generally have a very large > inbox. I get and send a lot of mail and have a large sent-mail folder. I want to be able to open it read-only, mainly so that closing it near the end of the month (when it can contain hundreds of messages) doesn't take so much time! That is one of my main frustrations. I am often tempted to scan the folder using an editor instead, simply to save time. -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 04:43:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26350; Fri, 20 May 94 04:43:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16144; Fri, 20 May 94 04:31:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16138; Fri, 20 May 94 04:31:40 -0700 Via: uk.ac.stirling; Fri, 20 May 1994 12:03:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:05:33 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Brian M Bullen Subject: MH support To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I notice (contrary to a statement in tech-notes) that there is no support for MH format mailboxes (i.e. no initialization of the mhdriver in pine.c or imapd.c). Am I foolish in wanting this facility ? My main problem is that the imapd daemon becomes a memory hog on my 'normal' flat file folders, would it use less memory with MH folders (or does it still need to read in the entire contents of each message even to displaying the index of messages ?) --- Brian Bullen. Email: b.m.bullen@stirling.ac.uk. Phone: (+44) 786 46 7256 Unix Systems Specialist, Information Services, Univ. of Stirling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 20 09:01:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01423; Fri, 20 May 94 09:01:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20465; Fri, 20 May 94 08:39:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20459; Fri, 20 May 94 08:39:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13079; Fri, 20 May 94 08:38:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Mr Brian M Bullen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MH support In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian, The MH driver included in the Pine 3.89 distribution was a semi-functional read-only contributed driver that we had no way to support. However, the latest IMAP toolkit (mail/imap-3.3.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) included a full, supported MH driver. This driver will also be included in the upcoming Pine 3.90 release. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 20 May 1994, Mr Brian M Bullen wrote: > I notice (contrary to a statement in tech-notes) that there is no > support for MH format mailboxes (i.e. no initialization of the mhdriver > in pine.c or imapd.c). > > Am I foolish in wanting this facility ? > My main problem is that the imapd daemon becomes a memory hog on > my 'normal' flat file folders, would it use less memory with MH folders > (or does it still need to read in the entire contents of each message > even to displaying the index of messages ?) > > > --- > Brian Bullen. Email: b.m.bullen@stirling.ac.uk. Phone: (+44) 786 46 7256 > Unix Systems Specialist, Information Services, Univ. of Stirling > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 21 04:59:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26016; Sat, 21 May 94 04:59:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12609; Sat, 21 May 94 04:43:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12603; Sat, 21 May 94 04:43:16 -0700 Received: by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA03268; Sat, 21 May 94 07:38:25 EDT Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 07:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: "Illegal" characters. To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greets: I am running PINE 3.89 compiled on a Sun Sparc running 4.1.x and am awaiting release of 3.90 sometime soon so I can fix up all the little things I didn't change (compilation defualts) before announcing that we now have PINE available online for our users ... but I have one little question: I have created a folder which I call "for sale." In it I keep, not surprisingly, items that are for sale. Now, whenever I enter this folder, after a short interval PINE tells me that: "[Character '' after 'for' not allowed in folder name]" which is obviously false as I have no troubles whatsoever accessing this directory. I was just curious as to why the functionality exists for this popup message. +====================================+=====================================+ | Christopher Curtis : Florida Institute of Technology | | Sun Lab System Administrator : Melbourne, Florida | | E-Mail/MIME/finger : ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | +====================================+=====================================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 21 08:53:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28423; Sat, 21 May 94 08:53:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02949; Sat, 21 May 94 08:37:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from locust.cic.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02943; Sat, 21 May 94 08:37:48 -0700 Received: (from pauls@localhost) by locust.cic.net (8.6.7/8.6.6) id LAA07570; Sat, 21 May 1994 11:36:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 11:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Southworth Reply-To: Paul Southworth Subject: AIX screwyness & pine 3.89 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1461779814-2018471785-769534570:#7545" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1461779814-2018471785-769534570:#7545 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Someone must have gone through this before... Building pine 3.89 under AIX 3.2 (version is something prior to 3.2.4, exactly what it is is rather hard to tell) I experienced the following problems: 1. If built with IBM's "cc" it seg faults and core dumps whenever ordered to send a message (^X). 2. If built with GCC 2.5.8 it builds fine and will send mail, but gets badly confused about expanding paths. For example, it can't find the sent-mail folder (even if it exists) and asks if I want to create a new one. Then it chokes when creating it. It creates it properly the first time, but for ever subsequent message it thinks the sent-mail folder doesn't exist, asks if you want to create it, and then complains that it exists and bails out of creating it, without sending the message. With debug level set to 7, it looks like this: === send called === new win size -----<24 80>------ cannonized To "Paul Southworth " find_folders_in_context: mail/[] ====== context_mailbox: (mail/sent-mail) Want_to read: y (121) IMAP 10:17 5/21 mm_log ERROR: Can't create mailbox mail/sent-mail: mailbox already exists Corollary of this is that it's also confused about where the folders live. For example, if you look in the Folder List it looks like this: INBOX mail/. mail/.. mail/saved-messages mail/sent-mail instead of: INBOX saved-messages sent-mail Consequently if I try to open the sent-mail directory it says: [No such file or directory: mail/mail/sent-mail] Furthermore if I try to trick it into looking in the right place by defining: mail-directory=~/mail It expands that wrong and says: Creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" where pine will store its mail folders. Error creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" : No such file or directory Any solutions would be much appreciated. 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want to run Pine on my site at University. However, the sys admins have no intention of suppoerting /usr/spool/mail as we run MMDF over multiple machines which are all NFS mounted. The default mailer we use is MH, and the system is set-up to put mail files into individual files within sub-directories which act as MH folders (in MH format). I've looked at the source of the pine c-client library and have seen MMDF drivers, and MH drivers. I modified the makefile for the c-client library to make it compile these files, and added the calls to make_link in pine.c (just after the link to dummy) and compiled pine as well: make_link((DRIVER *)&mhdriver) make_link((DRIVER *)&mmdfdriver) However, this still doesn't allow me to access my MH mailbox with pine. Am I striving towards the impossible, or am I just going about it completely the wrong way? Dale Peakall. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 08:02:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28853; Mon, 23 May 94 08:02:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10900; Mon, 23 May 94 07:31:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from space.hsv.usra.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10834; Mon, 23 May 94 07:27:55 -0700 Received: by space.hsv.usra.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA20417; Mon, 23 May 94 09:24:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 09:09:15 -0500 (CDT) From: jayanthi srikishen Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 08:21:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29326; Mon, 23 May 94 08:21:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11691; Mon, 23 May 94 08:13:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11685; Mon, 23 May 94 08:13:11 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15081; Mon, 23 May 94 08:13:09 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 23 May 94 17:04:09+0200 Date: 23 May 94 17:04:09+0200 From: jayanthi srikishen Message-Id: <699005*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 09:44:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02328; Mon, 23 May 94 09:44:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13483; Mon, 23 May 94 09:34:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13476; Mon, 23 May 94 09:33:59 -0700 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA02372; Mon, 23 May 1994 12:33:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 12:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "SHERRY H. LAKE" Subject: GIF Viewer for Pc-Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone using PC-Pine have a gif viewer that they could recommend? I found one that works, but is only EGA and VGA compatible. The others I tried I couldn't get to work. Any help using a image viewer with pine is appreciated. Thanks...... Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 23 13:04:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09170; Mon, 23 May 94 13:04:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03215; Mon, 23 May 94 12:49:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03209; Mon, 23 May 94 12:49:27 -0700 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA16529; Mon, 23 May 1994 15:49:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 15:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "SHERRY H. LAKE" Subject: GIF Viewer for Pc-Pine (correction) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone using PC-Pine have a gif viewer that they could recommend? I found one that works, but is only EGA and NOT VGA compatible. The others I tried I couldn't get to work. Any help using a image viewer with pc-pine is appreciated. Thanks...... Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 12:55:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08057; Tue, 24 May 94 12:55:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00304; Tue, 24 May 94 12:43:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [166.122.246.2] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00298; Tue, 24 May 94 12:43:19 -0700 Received: by hinc.hawaii.gov (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA05871; Tue, 24 May 1994 09:40:41 +1000 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 09:40:40 +38835 (HST) From: John Pescador Subject: error message To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 218 I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:41:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09762; Tue, 24 May 94 13:41:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14055; Tue, 24 May 94 13:25:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14049; Tue, 24 May 94 13:25:54 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09477; Tue, 24 May 94 13:25:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: Pine Mission Control {bug reports} To: John Pescador Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: error message In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, What were the circumstances of the crash? Is it reproducible? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:41:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09787; Tue, 24 May 94 13:41:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13991; Tue, 24 May 94 13:21:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13985; Tue, 24 May 94 13:21:31 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 13:00 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:10:40 GMT Subject: error message X-L2L: psg.com I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:50:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10069; Tue, 24 May 94 13:50:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14329; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14323; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:29 -0700 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA06951 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 16:35:21 -0400 Received: by rac2.wam.umd.edu id AA02239 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 24 May 1994 16:35:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 16:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Subject: Re: error message To: John Pescador Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > I get: Pine Panic: Received abort signal. I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 13:52:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10142; Tue, 24 May 94 13:52:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01480; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [166.122.246.2] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01466; Tue, 24 May 94 13:35:26 -0700 Received: by hinc.hawaii.gov (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA06047; Tue, 24 May 1994 10:32:50 +1000 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 10:32:50 +38835 (HST) From: John Pescador Subject: Re: error message To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 447 David I'm using a product called Pathway from Wollongong. I can toggle up to sessions on the terminal I have. I am TCP/IP connected to our Sun workstation. I had one session telneting to another account. I toggle to my second session which was in pine and I saw the error message. This is the first time that I have ever seen it. I don't think I could duplicate it. Would having the core dump help? - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 14:35:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11345; Tue, 24 May 94 14:35:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15267; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15261; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:00 PDT Message-Id: From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:25:41 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com John, What were the circumstances of the crash? Is it reproducible? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 14:36:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11376; Tue, 24 May 94 14:36:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15275; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15269; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:01 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:10:40 GMT Subject: error message X-L2L: psg.com I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 14:37:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11444; Tue, 24 May 94 14:37:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15283; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15277; Tue, 24 May 94 14:24:16 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:03 PDT Message-Id: From: David L Miller To: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 14:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com Gentlemen, The most important question is "how can we reproduce this crash?" If you cannot determine the circumstances, we _might_ be able to extract that from the core file. If you know how to generate a stack trace (where command in dbx/gdb), that is as good as the whole core file in most cases and saves net bandwidth. Please followup to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu. Do _not_ send core files to pine-info! Thanks for the reports! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, -sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > > > > I got the following error message from pine: > > > > I get: > > Pine Panic: Received abort signal. > > I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > Exiting pine. > > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > > > - John > > > > > > > > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega > highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity > 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland > Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD > *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* > | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | > | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | > | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | > *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 15:07:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12057; Tue, 24 May 94 15:07:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16036; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16028; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:41 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:30 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 06:02:50 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com David I'm using a product called Pathway from Wollongong. I can toggle up to sessions on the terminal I have. I am TCP/IP connected to our Sun workstation. I had one session telneting to another account. I toggle to my second session which was in pine and I saw the error message. This is the first time that I have ever seen it. I don't think I could duplicate it. Would having the core dump help? - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 15:07:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12068; Tue, 24 May 94 15:07:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16042; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16032; Tue, 24 May 94 14:56:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 14:30 PDT Message-Id: From: highway@wam.umd.edu ("-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.") To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:35:08 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > I got the following error message from pine: > I get: Pine Panic: Received abort signal. I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > - John > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 16:08:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14004; Tue, 24 May 94 16:08:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16974; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16950; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 15:00 PDT Message-Id: From: johnp@hinc.hawaii.gov (John Pescador) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:10:40 GMT Subject: error message X-L2L: psg.com I got the following error message from pine: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) I have the core dump in my directory. - John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 16:08:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14006; Tue, 24 May 94 16:08:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16986; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16970; Tue, 24 May 94 15:38:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 15:01 PDT Message-Id: From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) To: pine-l@psg.com Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 21:02:49 GMT Subject: Re: error message X-L2L: psg.com Gentlemen, The most important question is "how can we reproduce this crash?" If you cannot determine the circumstances, we _might_ be able to extract that from the core file. If you know how to generate a stack trace (where command in dbx/gdb), that is as good as the whole core file in most cases and saves net bandwidth. Please followup to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu. Do _not_ send core files to pine-info! Thanks for the reports! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 May 1994, -sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 1994, John Pescador wrote: > > > > > I got the following error message from pine: > > > > I get: > > Pine Panic: Received abort signal. > > I'm on a AIX3.2 system. > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > Exiting pine. > > Arithmetic Exception (core dumped) > > > > I have the core dump in my directory. > > > > - John > > > > > > > > > > > > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega > highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity > 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland > Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD > *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* > | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | > | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | > | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | > *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 21:31:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19788; Tue, 24 May 94 21:31:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23354; Tue, 24 May 94 21:24:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rip.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23348; Tue, 24 May 94 21:24:43 -0700 Received: by rip.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0q6AWH-00030xC; Tue, 24 May 94 21:24 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 May 94 21:24 PDT From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Mail loop Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine References: > As you may have noticed, there was a mail loop on the pine-info mailing list > for a while today. This was caused by a glitch during testing of the gateway > between comp.mail.pine and pine-info. The gateway is now believed to be > fixed and ready for the official creation of comp.mail.pine. And if folk see anomalies, please tell me. And if a loop starts and I do not immediately answer mail, please call +1 (503) 227-5665 and ask for me or a news admin. Thanks for your patience. randy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 24 21:56:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20038; Tue, 24 May 94 21:56:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23724; Tue, 24 May 94 21:49:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23718; Tue, 24 May 94 21:49:34 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Tue, 24 May 94 20:39 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mail loop To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: As you may have noticed, there was a mail loop on the pine-info mailing list for a while today. This was caused by a glitch during testing of the gateway between comp.mail.pine and pine-info. The gateway is now believed to be fixed and ready for the official creation of comp.mail.pine. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 11:54:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06075; Wed, 25 May 94 11:54:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07632; Wed, 25 May 94 11:33:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.175.190.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07626; Wed, 25 May 94 11:33:38 -0700 From: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Received: by bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA65381; Wed, 25 May 1994 13:25:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 13:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Building Pine To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, We just got a "Development System" for our SCO Unix box (System V/386 Release 3.2 running on an ALTOS 5000). I am interested in building Pine from the sources available, but don't seem to be having much luck so far. What I have is a copy of pine.tar.Z downloaded from the pine directory at washington.edu. I then uncompressed that and untarred that. When i went to run "build sco" it stops after a while with an error message. Anyone have any idea why this happens? Do I need some more files from some other directories? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Chris Fullinfaw fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us (712)274-8733x1291 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 13:03:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08104; Wed, 25 May 94 13:03:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26193; Wed, 25 May 94 12:43:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26187; Wed, 25 May 94 12:43:53 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06251; Wed, 25 May 94 12:43:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 12:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us Cc: pine-info Subject: Re: Building Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, There is a set of patches for Pine 3.89 available from soils.agron.iastate.edu. These have not yet been integrated into the Pine distribution. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 25 May 1994 fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us wrote: > Hi all, > > We just got a "Development System" for our SCO Unix box (System V/386 > Release 3.2 running on an ALTOS 5000). I am interested in building Pine > from the sources available, but don't seem to be having much luck so far. > What I have is a copy of pine.tar.Z downloaded from the pine directory at > washington.edu. I then uncompressed that and untarred that. When i went > to run "build sco" it stops after a while with an error message. Anyone > have any idea why this happens? Do I need some more files from some other > directories? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Chris Fullinfaw > > fullinc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us > > (712)274-8733x1291 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 13:16:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09282; Wed, 25 May 94 13:16:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26378; Wed, 25 May 94 12:52:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from PACS01.SUNBELT.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26370; Wed, 25 May 94 12:52:08 -0700 Received: from ptech.com (NGATE.PTECH.COM) by SUNBELT.NET (PMDF V4.3-7 #4800) id <01HCRFLBX6Q80006CZ@SUNBELT.NET>; Wed, 25 May 1994 15:51:59 EST Received: by ptech.com; id AA03659; Wed, 25 May 94 15:50:59 EDT Received: by avalon.ptech.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06003; Wed, 25 May 1994 15:54:52 +0500 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Jones Subject: Variable justification In-Reply-To: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 532 When using pico as the message composer, is there a way to shorten the default line length from the 70 character limit to say 60 characters? I'm using Unix pine version 3.89. Thanks in advance... -Jason -- _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ Jason Jones - jej@ptech.com _/ _/ _/ _/ Systems Engineer _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ Piedmont Technology Group, Inc. _/ _/ _/ _/ 830 Tyvola Rd - Charlotte NC - 28217 _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ phone 704.523.2410 x130 fax 704.523.7764 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 17:10:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16921; Wed, 25 May 94 17:10:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15876; Wed, 25 May 94 16:55:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from goofus.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15870; Wed, 25 May 94 16:55:11 -0700 Received: from scsgate.UUCP by goofus.wustl.edu with UUCP id AA29755 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 25 May 1994 18:55:03 -0500 Received: from scssa.ops.scscom.COM by scsgate.stl.scscom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0q6SAO-0001mQC; Wed, 25 May 94 18:15 CDT Subject: Adding header lines? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 18:04:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Kent Hamilton Reply-To: Kent.Hamilton@scscom.com X-Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc. X-Location: St. Louis, MO USA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 631 Message-Id: <9405251804.aa25739@scssa.ops.scscom.COM> I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? Please e-mail any reply direct, as I'm not on this list. Thanks -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Kent Hamilton | Work: Kent.Hamilton@scscom.com MIS Systems Administrator | Home: Kent.Hamilton@hns.st-louis.mo.US SCS/Compute, Inc. | Bell: (314) 997-7766 ext. 3070 =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 18:05:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18225; Wed, 25 May 94 18:05:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17267; Wed, 25 May 94 17:55:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ananke.pt.hk-r.se by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17261; Wed, 25 May 94 17:55:43 -0700 Received: by ananke.pt.hk-r.se id AA20517 (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/IDA-1.4.2 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 26 May 94 02:50:50 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 02:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andy Eskilsson Subject: Re: Adding header lines? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9405251804.aa25739@scssa.ops.scscom.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 May 1994, Kent Hamilton wrote: > I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be > able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound > mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? > I hope this question have a high priority, because sometimes I need to add header lines (such as x-anon-password), and I haven't found any way of doing this in "raw" pine (3.87) /andy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 19:37:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19629; Wed, 25 May 94 19:37:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05154; Wed, 25 May 94 19:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05148; Wed, 25 May 94 19:28:36 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18825; Wed, 25 May 94 19:28:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Kent.Hamilton@scscom.com, Andy Eskilsson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Adding header lines? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 May 1994, Andy Eskilsson wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 1994, Kent Hamilton wrote: > > I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be > > able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound > > mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? > > > > I hope this question have a high priority, because sometimes I need to > add header lines (such as x-anon-password), and I haven't found any way > of doing this in "raw" pine (3.87) > > /andy > Pine 3.90 will permit both of these additional headers. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed May 25 20:33:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20246; Wed, 25 May 94 20:33:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19596; Wed, 25 May 94 20:25:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sashimi.wwa.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19590; Wed, 25 May 94 20:25:16 -0700 Received: from pshrink by sashimi.wwa.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0q6W4u-000bnEC; Wed, 25 May 94 22:25 CDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Newsgroups: list.pine-info Path: veck From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Chelloveck) Subject: Re: Adding header lines? Distribution: local Message-Id: <1994May26.013139.6820@pshrink.chi.il.us> Reply-To: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us Organization: PShrink Wrap BBS, Wauconda IL Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 01:31:39 GMT References: <9405251804.aa25739@scssa.ops.scscom.com> Kent Hamilton publicly declared: >I have some users here that are using pine and they would like to be >able to add a "Return-Receipt-To:" header line to their outbound >mail. Is there an easy way to do this from within Pine? Likewise, I often want to add a "Reply-To:" header, and haven't found a way. Could the "Rich Headers" be expanded to include this? (Or maybe to letting the user enter arbitrary headers?) -- ------------------------------------------ "This paperclip will serve as an antenna, grabbing neutrinos from the cosmos and providing ignition for this craft." "Astonishing, Brain! Um, will it also roast marshmallows?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 08:40:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00506; Thu, 26 May 94 08:40:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00291; Thu, 26 May 94 08:13:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from papaya.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00285; Thu, 26 May 94 08:13:28 -0700 Received: by papaya.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA12683; Thu, 26 May 94 10:10:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:10:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "g.h.chinoy" Subject: is there a ctrl-key for quoting? To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all, I was wondering if there was a way to mark a section of text and have it quoted (i.e. have ">"s placed at the first of every line) similar to the ctrl-j, justify and unjustify? Sincerely, Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NeXTstep, Washington University in St. Louis baby hussain@artsci.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:19:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03921; Thu, 26 May 94 10:19:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02956; Thu, 26 May 94 10:01:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02950; Thu, 26 May 94 10:01:40 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00447; Thu, 26 May 94 10:01:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: nsp@world.std.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.EDU Subject: Re: faq - sending attachments In-Reply-To: <9405110751.AA01348@nukestep.mit.edu> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are currently working on an FAQ and plan to post it with the Pine 3.90 release (some of the answers are 3.90-specific...) Pine automatically detects a few Content-Types, including application/postscript. All other attachments are labelled application/octet-stream. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Gregory B Howland wrote: > > Is there an FAQ for this mailing list? > > I am trying to get info on how to change the Content-Type in > the message that I am sending. I want to include two file > attachments, one is a postscript file the other is an rtf file. > How do change the Content-Type to application/postscript? And > what is the correct Content-Type for rtf files? > > > Thanks, > Greg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:20:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03968; Thu, 26 May 94 10:20:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19967; Thu, 26 May 94 10:06:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19961; Thu, 26 May 94 10:06:06 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00542; Thu, 26 May 94 10:05:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Francis Ho Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Inbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From the upcoming FAQ: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? You have several options: 1. Leave inbox in /usr/spool/mail, but turn on the Pine option to prompt users to move read messages to a folder in their home directory upon exiting Pine. 2. Modify your mail delivery program to deliver mail directly into the user's home directory, and specify that inbox-path in your global pine.conf (See the "tmail" program on ftp.cac.washington.edu for an example.) 3. "touch mail.TxT" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.TxT -- however, mail.TxT will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder (faster, but non-standard). 4. Link in the "mbox" driver when you build Pine. This driver will (upon Pine startup) pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mbox, which will be a Bky-format folder. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Francis Ho wrote: > > I'm running solaris2.3 on a spar10. I'm using pine3.89. I'm trying > to default users' incoming mails to their home directory ie > /home/username instead of /var/mail/username > > Must I change something in pine or in my sendmail or my MAIL setting? > > Could some unix gurus out there please help?? Thanks!! > > > > > francis@moe.ac.sg > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:28:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04246; Thu, 26 May 94 10:28:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20206; Thu, 26 May 94 10:16:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20200; Thu, 26 May 94 10:16:25 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00796; Thu, 26 May 94 10:16:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Mahfood Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Manual Check for mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From the upcoming FAQ (thanks for the question, Bruce): When mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. Is it possible to have a command which allows the user to do a manual check in such cases? There are currently two ways to force a new mail check. o At the last message in a folder, press 'N' 4-5 times. o Press `^L' (Refresh Display). --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 11 May 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote: > Presently, when mail comes my way, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine > doesn't know about it, and I can't force it to, until it does its > periodic check for mail. Is it possible to have a command which allows > the user to do a manual check in such cases? It really does drive me a > little batty, knowing that I have mail, but can't read it because I have > to wait for the scheduled mail checker to inform my process that it is there. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! "who belongs, ! > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! and who decides who's crazy?" ! > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Smashing Pumpkins ! > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Siamese Dreams ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:42:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04730; Thu, 26 May 94 10:42:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03627; Thu, 26 May 94 10:26:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03621; Thu, 26 May 94 10:26:28 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 09:59 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: error message To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even realize they are using MIME... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 26 May 1994, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > I'm sorry, I just saw this new group added, and I was wondering > if Pine can decode MIME encoded messages. > > Thanks, > Toshi > tt@wag.caltech.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 10:57:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05401; Thu, 26 May 94 10:57:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20886; Thu, 26 May 94 10:45:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20880; Thu, 26 May 94 10:45:39 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01284; Thu, 26 May 94 10:45:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Richard C. Gaine" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: the index in pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > Hello, > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. > > 1. At times the index does not display any information about the > message. It'll say something like, "No message text available." Can > someone help me with this? > This happens when there is an internal "From " header, but no message to go with it. There are various reasons for this, most of them outside of Pine. > 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something > like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the > problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and > elm seem to work fine. > This may be a problem in the rfc822_date() function in c-client (imap/non-ANSI/os_sv4.c) but we do not have any Esix systems available. Can anyone confirm/deny/fix this problem? > 3. Esix is not running sendmail, so I am using a NetBSD 0.9 system as a > mail server. At times when users send mail it says, "Mail not sent. SMTP > connection went away." This doesn't happin a lot, and out LAN is fine. > What could be the problem with this? > This happens when the SMTP connection goes away for some reason outside of Pine's control.... > Well, the only way to end this message is HELP!! > > Thanks for any help. > > Rick Gaine > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:14:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06150; Thu, 26 May 94 11:14:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21326; Thu, 26 May 94 11:02:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21320; Thu, 26 May 94 11:02:16 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01786; Thu, 26 May 94 11:02:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Christer Ekholm Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: some configuration questions/suggestions In-Reply-To: <199405170117.DAA05991@father.ludd.luth.se> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In your .pinerc file you could set, e.g. feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs initial-keystroke-list=UP,UP --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 17 May 1994, Christer Ekholm wrote: > * Is it possible to configure the default answer to the > "Save the 1 read message" question? > > * Is it possible to configure what line is inversed in main menu at > startup? > > If the answer to the questions abowe is no, think of them as > suggestions. Personly I think that nothing can be too configurable. > > > > Christer Ekholm # che@ludd.luth.se # > Lulea University Computer Society (Ludd),Sweden # ---------------- # > > PS > Excuse my misplaced subscribe-message. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:20:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06323; Thu, 26 May 94 11:20:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04806; Thu, 26 May 94 11:06:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04800; Thu, 26 May 94 11:06:49 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01866; Thu, 26 May 94 11:06:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Chris Unger Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Sort by To: Field In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorting by "To:" is not yet implemented, but it is on the list. Delivery to specific folders is currently outside the scope of Pine. Check out the filter, deliver, or procmail programs. [Does anyone know of a good overview of filters and filtering?] --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 17 May 1994, Chris Unger wrote: > > Nobody responded from the first message I sent about having Pine > sort the "to:" field when starting pine. I think this would be helpful > for those of use who belong to 2 or 3 mailing lists. That way each list > would be sorted in alpha order. > Or is there a way to send incoming mail to a specific folder? > (ex: Pine Mailing list to "pine" folder; Emacs list to "emacs" folder etc??) > > > /********************************SBK**************************************\ > |** Chris Unger MicroComputer Specialist **| > |** unge1845@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Computer Services Room 112b **| > S** cunger@nyx.cs.du.edu Kutztown University, PA **S > B** **B > K** Anyone can win, **K > |** unless of course there happens Finger unge1845 for Hours **| > |** to be a second contestant. and Phone Numbers **| > \********************************SBK**************************************/ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:26:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06497; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05060; Thu, 26 May 94 11:16:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05054; Thu, 26 May 94 11:16:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02171; Thu, 26 May 94 11:16:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: "Illegal" characters. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are several known problems relating to allowable characters in folder names and order of message presentation. Some, but perhaps not all of these will be addressed in Pine 3.90. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 21 May 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > Greets: > > I am running PINE 3.89 compiled on a Sun Sparc running 4.1.x and am > awaiting release of 3.90 sometime soon so I can fix up all the little > things I didn't change (compilation defualts) before announcing that we > now have PINE available online for our users ... but I have one little > question: > > I have created a folder which I call "for sale." In it I keep, not > surprisingly, items that are for sale. Now, whenever I enter this > folder, after a short interval PINE tells me that: > "[Character '' after 'for' not allowed in folder name]" > which is obviously false as I have no troubles whatsoever accessing this > directory. I was just curious as to why the functionality exists for > this popup message. > > +====================================+=====================================+ > | Christopher Curtis : Florida Institute of Technology | > | Sun Lab System Administrator : Melbourne, Florida | > | E-Mail/MIME/finger : ccurtis@ee.fit.edu | > +====================================+=====================================+ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:36:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06867; Thu, 26 May 94 11:36:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05132; Thu, 26 May 94 11:20:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05126; Thu, 26 May 94 11:20:03 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02253; Thu, 26 May 94 11:19:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Paul Southworth Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: AIX screwyness & pine 3.89 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1515751982-769976399=:29748" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1515751982-769976399=:29748 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Paul, Have you tried the pre-compiled AIX 3.2 binaries from ftp.cac.washington.edu (mail/unix-bin directory)? The IBM compiler on _some_ AIX systems has some obscure problems and we do not have any experience with GCC on AIX... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 21 May 1994, Paul Southworth wrote: > Someone must have gone through this before... > > Building pine 3.89 under AIX 3.2 (version is something prior to 3.2.4, > exactly what it is is rather hard to tell) I experienced the following > problems: > > 1. If built with IBM's "cc" it seg faults and core dumps whenever ordered > to send a message (^X). > > 2. If built with GCC 2.5.8 it builds fine and will send mail, but gets > badly confused about expanding paths. For example, it can't find the > sent-mail folder (even if it exists) and asks if I want to create > a new one. Then it chokes when creating it. It creates it properly > the first time, but for ever subsequent message it thinks the sent-mail > folder doesn't exist, asks if you want to create it, and then > complains that it exists and bails out of creating it, without > sending the message. > > With debug level set to 7, it looks like this: > > === send called === > new win size -----<24 80>------ > cannonized To "Paul Southworth " > find_folders_in_context: mail/[] > ====== context_mailbox: (mail/sent-mail) > Want_to read: y (121) > IMAP 10:17 5/21 mm_log ERROR: Can't create mailbox mail/sent-mail: > mailbox already exists > > Corollary of this is that it's also confused about where the folders > live. For example, if you look in the Folder List it looks like this: > > INBOX mail/. mail/.. mail/saved-messages mail/sent-mail > > instead of: > > INBOX saved-messages sent-mail > > Consequently if I try to open the sent-mail directory it says: > > [No such file or directory: mail/mail/sent-mail] > > Furthermore if I try to trick it into looking in the right place by > defining: > > mail-directory=~/mail > > It expands that wrong and says: > > Creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" where pine will store > its mail folders. > Error creating subdirectory "/u/pauls//u/pauls/mail" : No such file or > directory > > Any solutions would be much appreciated. 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In-Reply-To: <9405221758.AA08265@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The dummydriver is the catch-all, so all other drivers need to be linked before it. However, the MH driver in the pine 3.89 distribution is very incomplete. The current IMAP Toolkit (mail/imap.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) includes a complete MH driver. The new driver will be active by default in Pine 3.90 (due before summer). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 22 May 1994, Dale Peakall wrote: > I want to run Pine on my site at University. However, the sys admins > have no intention of suppoerting /usr/spool/mail as we run MMDF over > multiple machines which are all NFS mounted. > > The default mailer we use is MH, and the system is set-up to put mail > files into individual files within sub-directories which act as MH > folders (in MH format). > > I've looked at the source of the pine c-client library and have seen > MMDF drivers, and MH drivers. I modified the makefile for the > c-client library to make it compile these files, and added the calls > to make_link in pine.c (just after the link to dummy) and compiled > pine as well: > > make_link((DRIVER *)&mhdriver) > make_link((DRIVER *)&mmdfdriver) > > However, this still doesn't allow me to access my MH mailbox with > pine. Am I striving towards the impossible, or am I just going about > it completely the wrong way? > > Dale Peakall. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:45:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07296; Thu, 26 May 94 11:45:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05346; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05340; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:13 PDT From: hblin001@huey.csun.edu (Dave Sperling) Date: 26 May 1994 17:49:07 GMT Subject: attached file To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2nej$m9k@nic-nac.CSU.net> I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? Thanks! Dave sperling@kaiwan.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:47:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07427; Thu, 26 May 94 11:47:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05358; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05352; Thu, 26 May 94 11:29:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:14 PDT From: ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu (Juan M. Gonzalez) Date: 26 May 1994 17:18:36 GMT Subject: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2llc$noq@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> How do I set up aliases with pine? I tried looking in the .pinerc, but could not pinpoint any area to change. any help is appreciated! -- ujmg88pf@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu/faithnmore@aol.com/ew502@cleveland.freenet.edu JOIN THE FAITH NO MORE AND/OR MR. BUNGLE FAN CLUBS: EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS!! Power Mac,c64,Duo,Jaguar,Lynx,2600. Got them all. 3d0=who the hell wants it? Project of the Week: Elect Mike Patton for President!! Patton 96! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:51:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07715; Thu, 26 May 94 11:51:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05632; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05625; Thu, 26 May 94 11:38:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:22 PDT From: korthuiv@ucs.orst.edu ( ) Date: 26 May 1994 16:28:15 GMT Subject: Help To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2imv$nkd@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Hi I would like to know if there is a version of PINE for IRIX workstations and if it exists, where can I ftp it from? Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:52:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07760; Thu, 26 May 94 11:52:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05648; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05642; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:03 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:25 PDT From: n9246286@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Am-mit) Date: 26 May 94 17:20:56 GMT Subject: changing default editor To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? (i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:53:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07812; Thu, 26 May 94 11:53:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05656; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05650; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26 PDT From: michael_munoz@smtp.esl.com (Michael D. Munoz) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:15:54 -0800 Subject: First To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I'm not sure what area is for , just wanted to first, gooooood moooooornig everyone! -- *Things are not always as they seem, even if they are.* *Live Long And prosper* * May The Force Be With You* * These opinions are mine, and mine alone!* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 11:54:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07883; Thu, 26 May 94 11:54:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05640; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05634; Thu, 26 May 94 11:39:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:22 PDT From: mcnally@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Mike McNally) Date: 26 May 1994 17:56:44 GMT Subject: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2nss$l5p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> In article , David L Miller wrote: > >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even >realize they are using MIME... Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this case? I know that Pine can seperate/display at least some types of MIME enclosures (for example image/gif and maybe audio/basic) but was wondering if "fully integrated MIME support" meant that recent versions of Pine have the ability to handle more complex / less common types of MIME enclosures. If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display behaviors set at compile time? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:16:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08633; Thu, 26 May 94 12:16:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06343; Thu, 26 May 94 12:03:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06335; Thu, 26 May 94 12:03:05 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 11:57 PDT From: switenky@jester.usask.ca (Shawn Elliot Switenky) Date: 26 May 1994 18:00:57 GMT Subject: Automatic New Mail Handling To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2o4p$rd3@tribune.usask.ca> I've looked around a bit in the .pinerc file (Unix Pine) in which there was a few lines that made me belive Pine can automagically sort incoming mail into a folder. If I want to have all the mail coming from a particular person to be automatically placed in a folder, how would I do this? -- + Shawn Switenky --------------+ email: Shawn.Switenky@USask.CA ---+ ///| User Support | Phone: (306) 966-4983 | /// | Computing Services | Fax: (306) 966-4938 | \\\/// + University of Saskatchewan --+ ICBM: N52 07'53.1" W106 37' 57.9" + \XX/ | Just when you think you have the universe figured out | +------------ along comes a chain smoking chimpanzee. -------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:51:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09583; Thu, 26 May 94 12:51:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23772; Thu, 26 May 94 12:39:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23766; Thu, 26 May 94 12:39:26 -0700 Received: (from rlee@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA15605; Thu, 26 May 1994 14:35:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:35:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: changing default editor To: Am-mit Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This ought to go into the FAQ that's being written. I think the answer is you can't, but you can make vi your alternate editor and can manually switch to that each time you enter the composer. On 26 May 1994, Am-mit wrote: > Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? > (i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). > > > -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:57:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09763; Thu, 26 May 94 12:57:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07364; Thu, 26 May 94 12:43:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07358; Thu, 26 May 94 12:43:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 12:29 PDT From: blewis@alw.nih.gov (barbara lewis) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 17:48:04 GMT Subject: need ref. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1994May26.174804.12824@alw.nih.gov> Are there any good resources for use of "pine" available at an ftp site, man pages are okay but.... :-) Barb -- A breeze in the pines and the sun and bright moonlight, Lazing in the sunshine yes indeed... Sugar Magnolia [Weir/Hunter] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 12:57:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09789; Thu, 26 May 94 12:57:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07449; Thu, 26 May 94 12:46:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07443; Thu, 26 May 94 12:46:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 12:38 PDT From: cip524@wpax01.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Stephan Weismann) Date: 26 May 1994 18:31:55 GMT Subject: Re: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2pur$7s@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Juan M. Gonzalez (ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote: : How do I set up aliases with pine? I tried looking in the .pinerc, but could : not pinpoint any area to change. any help is appreciated! Sorry, i dont realy understand, what you mean by 'set up aliases'. To create or change aliases you have to go in the Main Menue , then choose 'A' for adress Book, then you can change or expand your aliases. If you want to change you aliases directly in the file, you have to edit the file .adressbook in you homedir. Hope it may help you, Greetings, Stefan. Please excuse my terrible english, --************************************************************************** ___MMM____ __/ / ___/ / / ____/ ___/ / |o-o| __/ / / /____ / / ___/ / | V | __/ __/ ____/ __/ __/ __/ ____/ ______/ /----oO0-----0Oo-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Call me: | | | | "If anything can go wrong, it will"| | cip524@cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de | ( $1, Murphy's Law ) | | | | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ **************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:26:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11473; Thu, 26 May 94 13:26:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08346; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08340; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:08 PDT From: charlesc@mi.engin.umich.edu (Charles Chan) Date: 26 May 1994 19:00:56 GMT Subject: Change the '>' To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2rl8INNhaq@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Hi, I would like to know how to change the '>' sign in "R"eply to something else. Also, is there a FAQ for pine? Thanx. cc -- Charles QC Chan E-mail: charlesc@umich.edu Undergraduate Computer Engineering University of Michigan, Ann Arbor From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:27:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11506; Thu, 26 May 94 13:27:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08338; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08332; Thu, 26 May 94 13:15:21 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:08 PDT From: Ian_MacPhedran@engr.usask.ca (Ian MacPhedran) Date: 26 May 1994 18:55:13 GMT Subject: Re: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2rah$ssb@tribune.usask.ca> Mike McNally (mcnally@quip.eecs.umich.edu) wrote: : In article , : David L Miller wrote: : > : >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even : >realize they are using MIME... : Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this : case? I was going to ask something similar. I presume that this means that the MIME capabilities are built into pine, and it does not (can not?) use an external MIME conversion program like "metamail", as the elm (is that a bad word on this group? :-) mailer does. : If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle : different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) : or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display : behaviors set at compile time? Only a few types are supported. Once pipes are supported, (maybe they are now, I am not running the most current version) you can pipe the MIME messages to a MIME interpretor, such as metamail. Ian. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian MacPhedran, Engineering Computer Centre, University of Saskatchewan. 2B13 Engineering Building, U. of S. Campus, Saskatoon, Sask., CANADA S7N 0W0 Phone: (306)966-4832 Fax: (306)966-8710 Email: Ian_MacPhedran@engr.USask.CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:34:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11727; Thu, 26 May 94 13:34:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08561; Thu, 26 May 94 13:24:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08553; Thu, 26 May 94 13:24:09 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05543; Thu, 26 May 94 13:24:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mike McNally Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) In-Reply-To: <2s2nss$l5p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, As you suggest "fully integrated" and "complete" are two different things... For handling more MIME types on incoming mail, in 3.90 you will see mailcap support, which will allow activating external processors for types Pine doesn't have internal support for. On our short list is dealing with the input file typing problem for outgoing mail... probably via something like Mosaic's mimetypes file. We have some concerns about the robustness of this strategy, but I personally see little alternative. Can't promise this part will make into 3.90, but we definitely consider it a high priority. -teg On 26 May 1994, Mike McNally wrote: > In article , > David L Miller wrote: > > > >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even > >realize they are using MIME... > > Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this > case? I know that Pine can seperate/display at least some types of > MIME enclosures (for example image/gif and maybe audio/basic) but was > wondering if "fully integrated MIME support" meant that recent versions > of Pine have the ability to handle more complex / less common types of > MIME enclosures. > > If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle > different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) > or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display > behaviors set at compile time? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:44:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12119; Thu, 26 May 94 13:44:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08767; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08761; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:22 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q6m5H-0001FlC; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA21458; Thu, 26 May 1994 13:08:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Time stamps in SVR4 versions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few > > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. > > > > 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something > > like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the > > problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and > > elm seem to work fine. > > > > This may be a problem in the rfc822_date() function in c-client > (imap/non-ANSI/os_sv4.c) but we do not have any Esix systems available. Can > anyone confirm/deny/fix this problem? > Using the DG/UX v5.4.2 and the SV4 build, all is fine with dates on messages. I don't think it's a problem there. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:45:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12159; Thu, 26 May 94 13:45:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08784; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08778; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:30 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q6m5L-0009VbC; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA23478; Thu, 26 May 1994 13:25:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: changing default editor To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 26 May 1994, Am-mit wrote: > Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? > (i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). This is something WE would like to have possible as well, since WYSE terminals and the editing choices in pine don't get along as well as they could (^U, ^K for example) B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:45:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12161; Thu, 26 May 94 13:45:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08776; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08770; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31:25 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q6m5K-0001TSC; Thu, 26 May 94 13:31 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4.2/200.1.1.4) id AA21954; Thu, 26 May 1994 13:11:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s2llc$noq@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 26 May 1994, Juan M. Gonzalez wrote: > How do I set up aliases with pine? I tried looking in the .pinerc, but could > not pinpoint any area to change. any help is appreciated! In the ADDRESSBOOK option from the main menu. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.ASL-LABS.bc.ca | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 13:56:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12501; Thu, 26 May 94 13:56:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09254; Thu, 26 May 94 13:46:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09238; Thu, 26 May 94 13:46:11 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:35 PDT From: emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) Date: 26 May 1994 19:22:39 GMT Subject: Re: Automatic New Mail Handling To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2su0$nqn@nigel.msen.com> Shawn Elliot Switenky (switenky@jester.usask.ca) wrote: : I've looked around a bit in the .pinerc file (Unix Pine) in which there was : a few lines that made me belive Pine can automagically sort incoming mail : into a folder. If I want to have all the mail coming from a particular : person to be automatically placed in a folder, how would I do this? I've used 'procmail' to do the automatic sorting, which appears to work reasonably well modulo the absence of a user interface. Last conversation I had with the pine folks suggested that they were looking to incorporate the similar sort of features (a la procmail or elm filter or some such) into the system, and that the big headache was putting together a user interface that was expressive enough to solve the problems yet simple enough to use. As an e.g. here is the Chameleon 'Mail rules' setup. You get a list of rules to add to; here's a representation of their user interface Rule name: ____________ > add < String to match: ________ > modify < ( ) Match case > delete < Field: ( ) From ( ) To ( ) Subject > new < Action: ( ) Move to folder [lists] > help < ( ) Forward > close < ( ) Delete Rules: > activate < rule1 rule2 To translate this into something familar for pine it might look like a folder list or something. Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com Msen Inc., 320 Miller, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 4562 (fax: 998 4563) msen info addresses: info@msen.com - $20/mo public access Internet occ-info@msen.com - Online Career Center jobs database From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:27:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13592; Thu, 26 May 94 14:27:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10116; Thu, 26 May 94 14:14:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10110; Thu, 26 May 94 14:14:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 13:58 PDT From: xxviper@med.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Date: 26 May 1994 19:43:56 GMT Subject: Re: Automatic New Mail Handling To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2u5s$epa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article <2s2su0$nqn@nigel.msen.com> emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >Shawn Elliot Switenky (switenky@jester.usask.ca) wrote: >: I've looked around a bit in the .pinerc file (Unix Pine) in which there was >: a few lines that made me belive Pine can automagically sort incoming mail >: into a folder. If I want to have all the mail coming from a particular >: person to be automatically placed in a folder, how would I do this? > >I've used 'procmail' to do the automatic sorting, which appears to work >reasonably well modulo the absence of a user interface. > >Last conversation I had with the pine folks suggested that they were >looking to incorporate the similar sort of features (a la procmail or >elm filter or some such) into the system, and that the big headache was >putting together a user interface that was expressive enough to solve >the problems yet simple enough to use. > >As an e.g. here is the Chameleon 'Mail rules' setup. You get >a list of rules to add to; here's a representation of their >user interface > All I did to get mail filtering was to install and take the filter program from the elm mail system, and use that. All my mail is forwarded to the filter program, which places it into a particular file depending on a file called "filter-rules". These rules are simple and easy to follow as well: Example: if (to contains "Cabletron") then save "~/mail/CABLETRON" if (from contains "postmaster") then save "/dev/null" Thats all there is to the rules files. It was simple and really easy to get working, so you might try that if you can't get anything else working. -- ==================================================================== Chris Herringshaw Network Systems Specialist xxviper@med.umich.edu Office of the UMMC Information Technology & Networking University of Michigan Medical Center, B1911 CFOB 1414 Catherine Street, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0704 (313) 747-2778 ==================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:51:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14605; Thu, 26 May 94 14:51:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10950; Thu, 26 May 94 14:39:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10942; Thu, 26 May 94 14:39:56 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:27 PDT From: abacus!misha@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Misha Glouberman) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 19:49:55 GMT Subject: Print to attached-to-ansi in iScreen? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I get my mail by dialing into a unix host with my pc and running pine. I love that pine can print mail to my pc printer, but most of the time I run pine inside the iScreen windows manager, which stops this function from working. Anyone know of a workaround that'll let me send stuff to attached-to-ansi in iScreen? -- Misha Glouberman misha@abacus.concordia.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:51:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14634; Thu, 26 May 94 14:51:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26758; Thu, 26 May 94 14:36:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26752; Thu, 26 May 94 14:36:15 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07573; Thu, 26 May 94 14:36:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Distribution: world X-Newsreader: Pine (proto-3.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 May 1994, Alan Ward wrote: > I am sure that the Pine team (and therefore U of W) benefit from the > larger sample of user feedback (and therefore make a better Pine) but > at some cost. I am sure that the knowledgeable users around the world > feed in ideas and even code. And, as we all know, doing good is its own > reward (the U of W is, of course, world famous as a result of Pine :-) ). > Yes, that is exactly why we make Pine widely available and provide the level of support we do. > """"" Wot - U of W - yeah > o o > ----oOo----O----oOo---- > | | | | > ----------------------- > | | | | > But perhaps, before Pine gets dragged down by the coat tails we should all > ask (and the Pine team should think about) how does the wider user > community support in-house projects made more generally available, and > support Pine in particular. There's a lot of good will but I don't have any > good ideas, and perhaps it has to come from the Pine team since they are > the only ones who know the costs/benefits and pressures. > I don't have any clear ideas on this either, but I can certainly feel the ever increasing weight. Anyone who has been subscribed to pine-info for a while can see the support load there, but the Pine Team handles even more traffic directed to pine-bugs (2-3x higher than pine-info). The total traffic averages over 1050 messages/month (including requests, replies, and some internal traffic). This could get pushed significantly higher with the addition of comp.mail.pine... Suggestions for reducing the support load would be greatly appreciated! > Alan Ward > Department of Microbiology > University of Newcastle upon Tyne > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 14:55:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14731; Thu, 26 May 94 14:55:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11141; Thu, 26 May 94 14:46:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11135; Thu, 26 May 94 14:46:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:37 PDT From: szagar@unixg.ubc.ca (Suzan Zagar) Date: 26 May 1994 20:37:48 GMT Subject: Receipt for sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? I know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. Suzan Zagar Woodward Biomedical Library University of British Columbia szagar@unixg.ubc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:04:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15103; Thu, 26 May 94 15:04:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11366; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11360; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:33 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:46 PDT From: franc@max.ma.utexas.edu (Franc Brazile) Date: 26 May 1994 15:32:07 -0500 Subject: ~mail directory created, how to change To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3107$3st@max.ma.utexas.edu> How do I prevent pine from creating a mail directory in my home directory? -F. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:04:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15134; Thu, 26 May 94 15:04:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11349; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11337; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:17 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:45 PDT From: jezor@panix.com (Jonathan I. Ezor) Date: 26 May 1994 16:38:52 -0400 Subject: Converting from Elm to Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s31cs$s04@panix.com> Howdy. After setting up my nice folders and aliases on this Unix system and using Elm for months, I'd like to switch to Pine. Is there an automatic, or partially automatic, method of changing things over, other than retyping/resaving/re-everything manually? All help would be appreciated. Oh, if this in the faq, I apologize, but my system just started with this newsgroup, and the faq hasn't yet shown up. :) {Jonathan} -- Jonathan I. Ezor Internet: jezor@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:05:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15216; Thu, 26 May 94 15:05:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11374; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11368; Thu, 26 May 94 14:53:36 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:49 PDT From: bigac@u.washington.edu (Aaron Ching) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:36:01 -0800 Subject: User Directory for IMAP/pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Is there any address directory service that can be used with IMAP/pine? It would be very useful if the Mail Administrator can maintain a list of mail users which is accessable by all the local users. Please reply to my email address. Thanks -- Aaron Ching, System Analyst Programmer Dept. of Laboratory Medicine Univ. of Washington, Seattle bigac@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:12:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15481; Thu, 26 May 94 15:12:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11626; Thu, 26 May 94 15:03:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11620; Thu, 26 May 94 15:03:15 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 14:56 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: User Directory for IMAP/pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Pine 3.90 will support multiple addressbooks, so one could be administered by your Mail Administrator. The more general directory service capability is a function of the IMSP protocol being developed at CMU. We expect to include IMSP support in Pine 4.0. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 26 May 1994, Aaron Ching wrote: > Is there any address directory service that can be used with IMAP/pine? It > would be very useful if the Mail Administrator can maintain a list of mail > users which is accessable by all the local users. > > Please reply to my email address. Thanks > > -- > Aaron Ching, System Analyst Programmer > Dept. of Laboratory Medicine > Univ. of Washington, Seattle > bigac@u.washington.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:32:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15997; Thu, 26 May 94 15:32:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12193; Thu, 26 May 94 15:22:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12187; Thu, 26 May 94 15:22:54 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:12 PDT From: andy@ben.franklin.uga.edu (Andrew Seabolt) Date: 26 May 1994 22:02:58 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s36ai$5es@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Check your pine.conf file (wherever it was installed) and see if your default for including read messages *after* (isn't ELM-style mail that does this?) your message is set to "NO". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-__-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andy Seabolt \/ Franklin College Systems Group ||(706)542-1546 Franklin College of Arts and Sciences, U G A || andy@franklin.uga.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:33:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16058; Thu, 26 May 94 15:33:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12202; Thu, 26 May 94 15:23:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12195; Thu, 26 May 94 15:22:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:15 PDT From: S220264@kub.nl (Rutger vd GeVEL) Date: 26 May 1994 20:21:05 GMT Subject: Re: Fully integrated MIME support? (was Re: error message) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s30bh$7r1@kubds1.kub.nl> In <2s2nss$l5p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> mcnally@quip.eecs.umich.edu writes: > In article , > David L Miller wrote: > > > >Yes, Pine has fuly integrated MIME support. In many cases users do not even > >realize they are using MIME... > > Care to elaborate on what "fully integrated MIME support" means in this > case? I know that Pine can seperate/display at least some types of > MIME enclosures (for example image/gif and maybe audio/basic) but was > wondering if "fully integrated MIME support" meant that recent versions > of Pine have the ability to handle more complex / less common types of > MIME enclosures. > > If so, does the user have the ability to tell Pine how to handle > different enclosure types (as with metamail and MIME extended mh?) > or is Pine's MIME support limited to well-known types and display > behaviors set at compile time? Well, as far as I know Pine 3.89 (the most recent version to my knowledge) is said to be 'minimal MIME compliant'. This means that it only knows how to handle the following content-types: - text/plain; charset={US-ASCI,ISO-8859-*} - message/ - multipart/mixed - multipart/alternative - application/ For further details consult RFC 1521. More exotic content-types can be specified by using a /etc/mailcap (or ~/.mailcap) file on unix systems. The format of mailcap files is discussed in RFC 1343 (a user agent configuration mechanism for multimedia mail format information) by N. Borenstein. There are generally two methods for a Mail User Agent (MUA) to support MIME: 1) Via an external programm, i.e. Metamail. This means that the MUA-software should be adapted to call such a program at the right moment. Many MUA's on unix systems have already been adapted to use Metamail. Metamail consults the mailcap files in order to call the right viewer. 2) Via an intern mechanism: Pine has it's own mechanism to support MIME. As far as I know Pine (3.89) can't consult mailcap files, yet, but I have had indications that mailcap support is under development. IMHO, the mailcap principle is the best way to map MIME content-types to their viewers. The syntax is very clear and unambiguous: using one syntax for this purpose should improve the MIME standardization process. Best wishes, Rutger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rutger S.J.A. van de GeVEL, Email: Rutger@kub.nl - MIME messages welcome. -- Student Information Management Science, Tilburg University, The Netherlands. PGP Public Key available via PGP public key mailservers. ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:35:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16173; Thu, 26 May 94 15:35:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12210; Thu, 26 May 94 15:23:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12204; Thu, 26 May 94 15:23:01 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:16 PDT From: dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Robert Perlberg) Date: 26 May 94 20:55:45 GMT Subject: Re: "Illegal" characters. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <4076@dwrsun5.dwrsun4.UUCP> On Sat, 21 May 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > I have created a folder which I call "for sale." In it I keep, not > surprisingly, items that are for sale. Now, whenever I enter this > folder, after a short interval PINE tells me that: > "[Character '' after 'for' not allowed in folder name]" > which is obviously false as I have no troubles whatsoever accessing this > directory. I was just curious as to why the functionality exists for > this popup message. I've always considered it a major omission that Unix does not enforce the use of a limited character set for file names. It should not have been hard to implement early on. There is probably only one (if not just a few) place in the system where file names are created (file creation, link, etc.). It should not have been hard to do a scan on the file name for "illegal" characters and bomb the system call. Unfortunately, this was not done and there are now far too many funky file names out there that would become inaccessible if the feature were added now. The reason I think the lack of this feature is such a bad idea is that it creates problems with lots of commands. File names with spaces or shell metacharacters in them have to be quoted when used as arguments on command lines, and many scripts do not do the necessary quoting (for which I do not blame them since it's an excessively bothersome thing to have to do) making many facilities unusable with such files, not to mention that there are some scripts which bomb completely or create garbage files when they come across these file names. Given that Pine was designed for the casual user who is not expected to be mindful of such concerns, it makes sense that they designed it to disallow file names which would cause such problems. Robert Perlberg Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York perl%dwrsun4@murphy.com -or- perl%dwrsun4@philabs.com -- "I am not a language ... I am a human being!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:42:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16423; Thu, 26 May 94 15:42:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12458; Thu, 26 May 94 15:33:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12446; Thu, 26 May 94 15:33:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:28 PDT From: ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu (Juan M. Gonzalez) Date: 26 May 1994 20:54:49 GMT Subject: Re: Aliases To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s32ap$5ig@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> I forgot to clarify my situation. I am aware of using the 'a' option for addressbook, and I know about changing the personal name in my pinerc. I wanted to know if it is possible to do the following: I type in 'mac' when it asks me for an address.. pine then puts the address that I originally placed in some sort of file. I know that it is possible because it happens at this account (my school account)..I put the name of anyone on campus, and it responds with an address when I hit return. anyone understand my situation. thanks to everyone who already wrote, and thanks to anyone who can help me now. -- ujmg88pf@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu/faithnmore@aol.com/ew502@cleveland.freenet.edu JOIN THE FAITH NO MORE AND/OR MR. BUNGLE FAN CLUBS: EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS!! Power Mac,c64,Duo,Jaguar,Lynx,2600. Got them all. 3d0=who the hell wants it? Project of the Week: Elect Mike Patton for President!! Patton 96! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:47:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16590; Thu, 26 May 94 15:47:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28286; Thu, 26 May 94 15:37:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ftp.std.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28280; Thu, 26 May 94 15:37:47 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by ftp.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA15920; Thu, 26 May 1994 18:37:45 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21208; Thu, 26 May 1994 18:35:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 18:35:08 -0400 From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Message-Id: <199405262235.AA21208@world.std.com> To: dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <4076@dwrsun5.dwrsun4.UUCP> (dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu) Subject: Re: "Illegal" characters. From: dwrsun4!perl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Robert Perlberg) >I've always considered it a major omission that Unix does not enforce >the use of a limited character set for file names. It should not have >been hard to implement early on. There is probably only one (if not >just a few) place in the system where file names are created (file >creation, link, etc.). It should not have been hard to do a scan on >the file name for "illegal" characters and bomb the system call. It was done on purpose so the file system could support other character sets, like Kanji. In fact, the rules were liberalized over the years. Originally a lot of unix systems wouldn't allow the 8th bit on in file name characters. This was decided to be a botch and was fixed. There are other examples. Modern unix file systems only disallow / and NULL in file names (sometimes you can slip a / thru tho that tends to be a problem.) It's a feature not a bug. -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:53:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16806; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12724; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12718; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:31 PDT From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Date: 26 May 1994 14:06:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s330g$o1@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> In article <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Suzan Zagar wrote: :Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? I believe it's been mentioned as a feature of Pine 3.90. : I :know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that :your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being :left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. Actually it tells you no such thing. At best it suggests that the message was locally delivered. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 15:54:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16855; Thu, 26 May 94 15:54:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12732; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12726; Thu, 26 May 94 15:43:03 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:34 PDT From: Peter Berger Date: 26 May 1994 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: Making alternate editor the default To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s33vk$bjr@foxholly.lm.com> I prefer using "vi" over "pico" to edit mail (no sneers, please!). Is there anyway to *automatically* enter vi upon choosing C)ompose, rather than having to take the extra step of hitting ^_ ? Thanks! Peter Berger Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:02:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17156; Thu, 26 May 94 16:02:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12993; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12986; Thu, 26 May 94 15:52:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:44 PDT From: smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Andy Smith) Date: 26 May 94 21:31:32 GMT Subject: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I use pine 3.89. I am sure that this might be a simple question, but none the less I don't know the answer to it. When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to the end of the included text? -Andy (smith@skid.ps.uci.edu) Quote of the day: "I've got a hankerin' for some pork products." -Krusty From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:04:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17204; Thu, 26 May 94 16:04:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13001; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12995; Thu, 26 May 94 15:53:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:47 PDT From: ckimball@bu.edu (Christian Kimball) Date: 26 May 1994 21:39:15 GMT Subject: Printing long messages to PC printer To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s34u3$al6@news.bu.edu> I like being able to print mail directly to my attached printer. However, when the mail is more than one printed page long it often freezes after the first page. This is a buffer overflow or a failure to send a Form Feed, or something like that. But it is also a little more complicated in that when I issue a Form Feed at the printer control panel I do get the next page, but it is garbled and includes text not in the message being printed. Does anybody know what is going on and how to fix it? Christian E. Kimball Boston University School of Law ckimball@acs.bu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:13:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17649; Thu, 26 May 94 16:13:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13294; Thu, 26 May 94 16:03:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13288; Thu, 26 May 94 16:02:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 15:55 PDT From: ewj8218@u.cc.utah.edu (Eric Jolley) Date: 26 May 1994 15:41:01 -0600 Subject: Rejecting Mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s351d$88n@u.cc.utah.edu> I need some help here... I know that you can forward mail by simply creating a file called .forward, but is there an easy way to reject mail? Like a file called .reject? (I know this doesn't work, but something similar) I know you can reject using Elm, but the process looks more complicated than I need, in addition to the fact that I use Pine, not Elm. Any pointers? -- \ Eric Jolley \ Mail me at: \ \ Film Studies Major, U. of U. \ Eric.Jolley@m.cc.utah.edu \ \ For PGP 2.3a Public Key, \ or \ \ finger ewj8218@u.cc.utah.edu \ en351@cleveland.freenet.edu \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18573; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14096; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14090; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:23 PDT From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:17:39 GMT Subject: forwarding To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: When you forward incoming mail my adding the .forward file containing \usr-name, user@domain-address, (which, according to the FAQ, should leave a copy of the incoming mail for "\usr-name" and forward it to the user@domain-address listed), does it produce any record on the home machine of having forwarded the message (i.e., does it add the message to the sent-mail folder?)? -- 68% of all statistics are misleading gbgf@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18577; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14130; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14124; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:29 PDT From: dart@red1.cac.washington.edu (Mark Schurman) Date: 26 May 1994 22:41:50 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s38je$ktn@news.u.washington.edu> In , Andy Smith (smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu) wrote: > When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original > message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. > It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. > How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to > the end of the included text? Easy enough...just add "signature-at-bottom" to the "feature-list=" section of your .pinerc file. > -Andy (smith@skid.ps.uci.edu) -- Mark Schurman ( "Ninety percent of computer users use DOS. ACC/CRC Lab Assistant \ I'd rather tell them to do drugs." University of Washington ) ---Scott McNealy, CEO, Sun Microsytems dart@u.washington.edu / #include From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18634; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14104; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14098; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:12 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:23 PDT From: roger@utdallas.edu (Roger D Cook) Date: 26 May 1994 22:35:09 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s36ai$5es@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Message-Id: <2s386t$57n@news.utdallas.edu> Andrew Seabolt (andy@ben.franklin.uga.edu) wrote: > Check your pine.conf file (wherever it was installed) and see if your > default for including read messages *after* (isn't ELM-style mail that > does this?) your message is set to "NO". > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-__-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Andy Seabolt \/ Franklin College Systems Group ||(706)542-1546 > Franklin College of Arts and Sciences, U G A || andy@franklin.uga.edu > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I'm not sure if what he said is it--I think what you need to do is look in your .pinerc file (in your home directory) and look at the feature list. There should be one labeled 'old-style-reply', which you should set to 'yes'. Hope it works! roger -- ========================================================= Roger Cook, PC Technical Support University of Texas at Dallas GEd--(+++)p+c+(+++)l-u++e+(*)m+(-)s/++!nh--f+(++)g+w+t+r(-)y? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:44:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18665; Thu, 26 May 94 16:44:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14121; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14106; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33:15 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:24 PDT From: 1michael@netcom.com (Michael Orland) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:20:33 GMT Subject: Headers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1michaelCqFKq9.3t1@netcom.com> How can I change the headers for Pine? I realise that Kent Hamilton already asked this, but as I cannot read his mail, I don't know if there was any response thanx Mike -- ///////////////_______________ //////////// /// /// /// Michael Orland // // 1michael@netcom.com /// /// /// ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^// // "Only twice, then it exploded" /// /// /// //////////// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:54:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19049; Thu, 26 May 94 16:54:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14423; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14409; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:16 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:33 PDT From: ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu (Juan M. Gonzalez) Date: 26 May 1994 22:38:11 GMT Subject: thanks for help.. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s38cj$a5e@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> i just wanted to thank everyone who wrote to me...I neglected to try it out myself before I posted asking about aliases.. -- ujmg88pf@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu/faithnmore@aol.com/ew502@cleveland.freenet.edu JOIN THE FAITH NO MORE AND/OR MR. BUNGLE FAN CLUBS: EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS!! Power Mac,c64,Duo,Jaguar,Lynx,2600. Got them all. 3d0=who the hell wants it? Project of the Week: Elect Mike Patton for President!! Patton 96! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:54:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19080; Thu, 26 May 94 16:54:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14439; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14433; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:39 PDT From: jaguar1@netcom.com (Glen Wooten) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:37:34 GMT Subject: BLINDing in Pine.. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I'm using version 3.89 of Pine for Unix, and I've come across a possible bug. When using the blind (Bcc:) command, it appears to blind addresses SITE specific, as opposed to ADDRESS specific (with the exception of the syste it's running on (in this case, Netcom.) If i was to be sending duplicate copies of mail to 2 people on Netcom, 2 people on GEnie, and 2 people on CompuServe, the people on GEnie & Compuserve would see the other person on thier network that got the mail, but none of the other addresses. The people on Netcom would see no other addresses. Has anyone else run into this? Is this a bug, or am I missing something not shown in the manual? -- jaguar1@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 16:55:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19111; Thu, 26 May 94 16:55:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14431; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14425; Thu, 26 May 94 16:43:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:36 PDT From: scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (D. A. Scocca) Date: 26 May 1994 22:47:26 GMT Subject: Pine Problems To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s38tu$n8s@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> There are about three problems I've been having with Pine/things I'd love to be able to get Pine to do... (1) (Category of MAJOR problem) Is there any way to get Pine to take all the messages in a folder and turn them into a text file IN ORDER BY DATE? I _know_ how to locate and download the actual folders, and I _know_ how to sort a folder by date, but this sort only changes the order in which messages are displayed in the index, NOT the order in which they sit in the disk file. The inability to archive messages chronologically is the single most important reason why I have resisted switching all my email to an account that uses Pine. (2) (Category of mid-level annoyance) Is there any way to either (a) set automatic cc: to self or (b) set the folder so that outgoing messages appear in the INBOX? I've tried changing the folder name to INBOX in the .pinerc file, but this just makes Pine try to create a second folder called INBOX and put my mail in it. (3) (Category of minor wierdness) Why does a message which has been read revert to being unread when it is moved into a different folder? This has only happened since Pine here was upgraded to 3.89. I'd be grateful if there were any solutions to any of these problems. D. -- * The Minstrel in the Gallery "Heteroskedastic" * * D. A. Scocca scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu * * "My love does not, cannot _make_ her happy. My love can only * * release in her the capacity to be happy." --J. Barnes * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:12:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20227; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14788; Thu, 26 May 94 16:53:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14782; Thu, 26 May 94 16:53:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:48 PDT From: duffiem@aa.wl.com (Mark Duffield) Date: 26 May 1994 19:49:32 GMT Subject: IMAP Client for Mac? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com> I'm looking for an IMAP client for the macintosh. Anyone know of oner? The only IMAP client that I know of at all is pine ( which is distributed with the IMAP server ). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark J. Duffield | duffiem@aa.wl.com Sr. Systems Analyst | Preclinical Scientific Computing | MIME Spoken here. Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research | Ann Arbor, MI 48105 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:14:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20293; Thu, 26 May 94 17:14:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15126; Thu, 26 May 94 17:02:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15117; Thu, 26 May 94 17:02:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 16:52 PDT From: lwrons49@ursa.calvin.edu (Lorraine Wronski) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 23:08:30 GMT Subject: signature? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: I notice that people have what I have seen referred to as "signatures" with their letters. How do I do that? Please e-mail a response to lwrons49@calvin.edu Thanks in advance From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:22:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20447; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15582; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15576; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:09 PDT From: n9341250@janice.cc.wwu.edu (Damon Wasson) Date: 26 May 94 23:28:46 GMT Subject: Re: Making alternate editor the default To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s33vk$bjr@foxholly.lm.com> Message-Id: Peter Berger writes: >I prefer using "vi" over "pico" to edit mail (no sneers, please!). Is >there anyway to *automatically* enter vi upon choosing C)ompose, rather >than having to take the extra step of hitting ^_ ? >Thanks! >Peter Berger >Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh i recommend modifying your .pinerc file (you can even use vi to do this!) the .pinerc file has a list of various parameters, with comments placed there by pine. scroll down until you see the sections pertaining to editors, and then change it. simple. btw, in order to do this, you must have previously executed the pine program. enjoy! :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:26:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20503; Thu, 26 May 94 17:26:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15574; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15568; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:00 PDT From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Date: 26 May 1994 16:12:48 -0700 Subject: Re: forwarding To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s3adg$13e@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> In article , GBGF wrote: : When you forward incoming mail my adding the .forward file containing :\usr-name, user@domain-address, : :(which, according to the FAQ, should leave a copy of the incoming mail :for "\usr-name" and forward it to the user@domain-address listed), does :it produce any record on the home machine of having forwarded the message :(i.e., does it add the message to the sent-mail folder?)? No, the mail transport agent (e.g sendmail) takes care of that. The user agent -- pine, for instance -- never knows about the copy that was forwarded. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:27:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20518; Thu, 26 May 94 17:27:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15591; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15584; Thu, 26 May 94 17:12:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:09 PDT From: n9341250@janice.cc.wwu.edu (Damon Wasson) Date: 26 May 94 23:36:04 GMT Subject: Re: changing default editor To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: n9246286@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Am-mit) writes: >Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? >(i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). > um... well, i recommend trying setenv editor= vi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:32:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20655; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15826; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15820; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:15 PDT From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Date: 26 May 1994 19:45:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Pine Problems To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s38tu$n8s@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Message-Id: <2s3cbk$om4@panix2.panix.com> D. A. Scocca (scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu) wrote: : (3) (Category of minor wierdness) Why does a message which has been : read revert to being unread when it is moved into a different folder? : This has only happened since Pine here was upgraded to 3.89. I agree that this one is a little, but defintely, annoying. A solution would be appreciated. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:32:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20657; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00809; Thu, 26 May 94 17:24:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00803; Thu, 26 May 94 17:24:42 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13234; Thu, 26 May 94 17:24:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 17:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mark Duffield Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac? In-Reply-To: <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark, See the file /mail/imap.software on ftp.cac.washington.edu Two possibilities would be "Mailstrom" from Stanford and "Mail Drop" from Baylor. -teg On 26 May 1994, Mark Duffield wrote: > I'm looking for an IMAP client for the macintosh. Anyone know of oner? > The only IMAP client that I know of at all is pine ( which is distributed > with the IMAP server ). Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mark J. Duffield | duffiem@aa.wl.com > Sr. Systems Analyst | > Preclinical Scientific Computing | MIME Spoken here. > Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research | > Ann Arbor, MI 48105 | > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:33:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20706; Thu, 26 May 94 17:33:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15838; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15828; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:15 PDT From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Date: 26 May 1994 19:48:30 -0400 Subject: Re: signature? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s3cge$ott@panix2.panix.com> Lorraine Wronski (lwrons49@ursa.calvin.edu) wrote: : I notice that people have what I have seen referred to as "signatures" : with their letters. How do I do that? Please e-mail a response to : lwrons49@calvin.edu : Thanks in advance You need to create a .signature file in your Unix home directory, which is a text file that will get automatically appended to your messages. Nettiquette requires that it be limited to 4 lines. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:33:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20714; Thu, 26 May 94 17:33:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15847; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15840; Thu, 26 May 94 17:22:48 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:19 PDT From: uaceohrt@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kenneth Ruiz) Date: 26 May 1994 23:17:42 GMT Subject: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3amm$blp@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Greetings... Perhaps this is a lame question, but how can l forward mail to multiple people without it listing *everyone* l've sent it to?!? I tried using a little command line prog but it wouldn't mail with an alias, and l can't change my chfn login name... Is there some way to do this in pine or a short command line program that *would* work? I think mine wouldn't work because lt used 'mail' or 'mailx' and lve read the online manuals yet lack lack the technical knowledge to really know what to do!! Thank!! 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 "Some people try not to think \ | / |/ / /\ /\ _O_ The about Life's Ugliness...I've \|/ | / < > \/ | Ace of thought about it.... I've | |/ >< /\ | Hearts thought about it quite a lot" | | / \ \/ Kill yourself. 66666666666666666666666666666666TAOL69466666666666666666666666666666666 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:42:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20967; Thu, 26 May 94 17:42:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16030; Thu, 26 May 94 17:31:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from madmacs.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16024; Thu, 26 May 94 17:31:19 -0700 Received: by madmacs.macarthur.uws.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22871; Fri, 27 May 1994 10:31:09 +1100 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:30:24 +22311043 (E ) From: Brian Kalabric Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII UNSUB BRIAN KALABRIC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:42:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20991; Thu, 26 May 94 17:42:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16060; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16054; Thu, 26 May 94 17:32:49 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:26 PDT From: gchunt@cc.dixie.edu (Galen C. Hunt) Date: 26 May 1994 23:07:14 GMT Subject: How should we set-up a campus wide mail directory? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3a32$ptp@cc.dixie.edu> Almost everyone on our campus is using pine from one of the central mail server. It would be really nice if their was some way to browse a campus wide mail directory. I can easily set up software to create a directory, but does anyone have any suggestions on how to access it from pine? Does pine support multiple address books? galen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 17:56:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21335; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16341; Thu, 26 May 94 17:43:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16335; Thu, 26 May 94 17:43:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 17:31 PDT From: sarnila@tukki.jyu.fi (Pekka Sarnila) Date: 27 May 1994 02:52:37 +0300 Subject: ftp-sites To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Where can I find Pine. I'm especially interested of Interactive 3.0 binaries (if not available then sources). Pekka Sarnila -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka Sarnila, University of Jyvaskyla Finland sarnila@tukki.jyu.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 18:05:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21486; Thu, 26 May 94 18:05:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16623; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16616; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:13 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10772; Thu, 26 May 94 17:56:11 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 27 May 94 02:45:47+0200 Date: 27 May 94 02:45:47+0200 From: Brian Kalabric Message-Id: <705168*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Mailing List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 18:29:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21872; Thu, 26 May 94 18:29:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01732; Thu, 26 May 94 18:20:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01726; Thu, 26 May 94 18:20:49 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14116; Thu, 26 May 94 18:20:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 18:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Damon Wasson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Making alternate editor the default In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unfortunately the feature that will obviate the need of hitting ^_ is not available until 3.90. -teg On 26 May 1994, Damon Wasson wrote: > Peter Berger writes: > > >I prefer using "vi" over "pico" to edit mail (no sneers, please!). Is > >there anyway to *automatically* enter vi upon choosing C)ompose, rather > >than having to take the extra step of hitting ^_ ? > > >Thanks! > > >Peter Berger > >Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh > i recommend modifying your .pinerc file (you can even use vi to do this!) > the .pinerc file has a list of various parameters, with comments placed there > by pine. scroll down until you see the sections pertaining to editors, and > then change it. simple. btw, in order to do this, you must have previously > executed the pine program. enjoy! :) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 18:43:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22071; Thu, 26 May 94 18:43:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17365; Thu, 26 May 94 18:35:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17359; Thu, 26 May 94 18:35:11 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 18:24 PDT From: bradleym@netcom.com (Bradley) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:10:18 GMT Subject: Re: Headers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <1michaelCqFKq9.3t1@netcom.com> Message-Id: Michael Orland (1michael@netcom.com) wrote: > How can I change the headers for Pine? I realise that Kent Hamilton > already asked this, but as I cannot read his mail, I don't know if there > was any response > thanx Well... as far as I know.... You can't. But, because I also have a hard time reading Kent's mail, I'd like to hear from an authority on the matter. Bradley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- '66 Kombi | Gimme my old cars any day | ,__o '65 Chevelle | but, | _-\_<, '88 Ritchey | I need a new bike! | (*)/'(*) bradleym@netcom.com finger for PGP public key Hayward, CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 19:04:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22265; Thu, 26 May 94 19:04:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17716; Thu, 26 May 94 18:56:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17710; Thu, 26 May 94 18:56:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 18:46 PDT From: scottt@storm.cs.orst.edu (Scott Tzibra Leah) Date: 27 May 1994 01:22:01 GMT Subject: instructions on using pine and filter To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3hvpINN98p@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> I read advice about using the elm filter to sort in-coming mail into folders. As someone who has never used elm, and whose computer system has terrible documentation about elm and filter, I was wondering if someone could post instructions on using the filter itself and using it with pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 19:15:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22386; Thu, 26 May 94 19:15:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17944; Thu, 26 May 94 19:06:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17938; Thu, 26 May 94 19:06:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 18:54 PDT From: poivre@netcom.com (Poivre) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:42:32 GMT Subject: copying to mail/sent-mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Hi all. Glad to see a newsgroup for pine :) . I have a problem that i have encountered frequently in pine. After i finish writing a letter and send it, sometimes, pine would say that mail/sent-mail is NOT a valid folder and that FCC to sent-mail failed. Now this would happen sometimes...probably most of the time. Why is this so and what can i do to fix it?? Thanks. -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . poivre@netcom.com : #include : Altruism Doesn't Pay!! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 19:15:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22410; Thu, 26 May 94 19:15:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17936; Thu, 26 May 94 19:06:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17930; Thu, 26 May 94 19:06:39 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 18:53 PDT From: bradleym@netcom.com (Bradley) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:25:23 GMT Subject: Re: attached file To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s2nej$m9k@nic-nac.CSU.net> Message-Id: Dave Sperling (hblin001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: > I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my > friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. > Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? > Thanks! Yeah, that's one of the problems that I have with Pine. You can do it one of 2 ways. 1. You can uuencode the file, and then use ^R to insert a text file. ie, "uuencode foo foo >foo.uue" will make a file called foo.uue. Then, inside pine, you can read in the file as text. 2. You can use plain old Mail. The command while writing the body is: "~< ! uuencode foo foo It MUST be on a new line. Of course, this all assumes that the recieving party knows how to uudecode a file (which is simple). Bradley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- '66 Kombi | Gimme my old cars any day | ,__o '65 Chevelle | but, | _-\_<, '88 Ritchey | I need a new bike! | (*)/'(*) bradleym@netcom.com finger for PGP public key Hayward, CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 19:35:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22559; Thu, 26 May 94 19:35:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18276; Thu, 26 May 94 19:26:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18268; Thu, 26 May 94 19:26:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 19:11 PDT From: ez040231@elroy.ucdavis.edu (Jeff Bernstein) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:44:03 GMT Subject: Changing From: address To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Does anyone know if there is a way (for v3.89) to change the From: field on my ougoing mail? As in I log into one account, but if someone replies, I want it to go do a different address. I heard somewhere that this can be done through editing .pinerc, but I have yet to come across the exact line to add or change. Any help would be appreciated, even if it's just saying it can't be done. Thanks in advance Jeff Bernstein jsbernstein@ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 19:36:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22586; Thu, 26 May 94 19:36:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18304; Thu, 26 May 94 19:27:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18298; Thu, 26 May 94 19:27:57 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 19:18 PDT From: risser@panix.com (James Risser) Date: 26 May 1994 22:17:39 -0400 Subject: how do i send/print from here? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3l83$4kc@panix2.panix.com> could someone please let me know how i go about sending one of these news articles to myself so i can save it in a folder and/or print the article? i keep getting an error message when i attempt to mail or print. thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 20:02:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23029; Thu, 26 May 94 20:02:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03040; Thu, 26 May 94 19:53:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from fohnix.metronet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03034; Thu, 26 May 94 19:53:48 -0700 Received: by metronet.com id AA20289 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 26 May 1994 21:55:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 21:53:40 -0500 (CDT) From: prplhaze Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: Andy Smith Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i use pine 3.87 and in .pinerc there is a section for features. added to the feature line to take care of issue you noted. good luck prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 20:05:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23161; Thu, 26 May 94 20:05:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18824; Thu, 26 May 94 19:57:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18818; Thu, 26 May 94 19:57:36 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 19:47 PDT From: toz@u.washington.edu (Tom Zeiler) Date: 27 May 1994 00:22:17 GMT Subject: Kanji/Hanzi in pine? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3efp$nva@news.u.washington.edu> I seem to recall reading somewhere that pine could "handle character sets for a number of different languages", including Chinese and/or Japanese. Can anybody tell me more about this? toz From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 20:08:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23225; Thu, 26 May 94 20:08:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03129; Thu, 26 May 94 20:00:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03123; Thu, 26 May 94 20:00:07 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15231; Thu, 26 May 94 20:00:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22837; Thu, 26 May 94 19:53:53 -0700 Received: from ftp.std.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18772; Thu, 26 May 94 19:53:50 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by ftp.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA01505; Thu, 26 May 1994 22:53:48 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16295; Thu, 26 May 1994 22:53:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:53:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Grace Subject: RFI - news To: pine@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 20:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Hi please send info re: pine's use as a newsreader. How about cutting and pasting to/from multiple buffers/files using pico? Cheers, peter From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 20:53:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23886; Thu, 26 May 94 20:53:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20083; Thu, 26 May 94 20:46:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20075; Thu, 26 May 94 20:46:17 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 20:36 PDT From: johnston@cwu.edu (Mark Johnston) Date: 27 May 1994 02:18:57 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s3lah$d0k@tahoma.cwu.edu> In article , smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Andy Smith) writes: >I use pine 3.89. I am sure that this might be a simple question, but >none the less I don't know the answer to it. > >When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original >message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. >It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. >How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to >the end of the included text? > >-Andy (smith@skid.ps.uci.edu) > >Quote of the day: >"I've got a hankerin' for some pork products." -Krusty There is a line in the pine configuration file (I forget what it is called) that does just that. I believe it is "enable_signature_at_bottom" or something like that. 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You both get all dirty º º Phone: (509) 925-4069 º and the pig enjoys it! º º E-Mail: johnston@cwu.edu º - Unknown - º ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÊÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍËÍÍÍÍͼ º All opinions, expressed or implied, are entirely my own. º ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍͼ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 21:34:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24299; Thu, 26 May 94 21:34:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20906; Thu, 26 May 94 21:26:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20898; Thu, 26 May 94 21:26:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 21:18 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 20:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ftp-sites To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: -Type-Version The only official ftp site is ftp.cac.washington.edu, though it is available from many others... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Pekka Sarnila wrote: > > Where can I find Pine. I'm especially interested of Interactive 3.0 > binaries (if not available then sources). > > Pekka Sarnila > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pekka Sarnila, University of Jyvaskyla Finland > sarnila@tukki.jyu.fi > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 21:34:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24323; Thu, 26 May 94 21:34:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20894; Thu, 26 May 94 21:26:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20882; Thu, 26 May 94 21:26:28 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 21:17 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 20:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Headers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: -Type-Version The only thing to add is "yet"... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 May 1994, Bradley wrote: > Michael Orland (1michael@netcom.com) wrote: > > How can I change the headers for Pine? I realise that Kent Hamilton > > already asked this, but as I cannot read his mail, I don't know if there > > was any response > > thanx > > Well... as far as I know.... You can't. But, because I also have a hard > time reading Kent's mail, I'd like to hear from an authority on the > matter. > > Bradley > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > '66 Kombi | Gimme my old cars any day | ,__o > '65 Chevelle | but, | _-\_<, > '88 Ritchey | I need a new bike! | (*)/'(*) > bradleym@netcom.com finger for PGP public key Hayward, CA > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 21:35:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24347; Thu, 26 May 94 21:35:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20841; Thu, 26 May 94 21:23:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20835; Thu, 26 May 94 21:23:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 21:05 PDT From: davidlee@umich.edu (David S. Lee) Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 23:52:28 -0400 Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com> Message-Id: -Type-Transfer-Encoding-Version In article <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com>, duffiem@aa.wl.com (Mark Duffield) wrote: > I'm looking for an IMAP client for the macintosh. Anyone know of oner? > The only IMAP client that I know of at all is pine ( which is distributed > with the IMAP server ). Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > Have you tried Mailstrom? Its not a great IMAP client (if you have mail folders set up in Pine, you have to recreate them manually in Mailstom), but it's the only one I know of. It's in the U-Michigan archives by anonymous ftp at: mac.archive.umich.edu I believe it's in mac/util/comm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David S. Lee (Internet: davidlee@umich.edu) All opinions HR6020, Kresge Hearing Research Institute expressed here 1301 E. Ann Street, Box 0506 are mine! University of Michigan Phone: (313) 764-2578 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0506 USA FAX: (313) 764-0014 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 22:16:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24860; Thu, 26 May 94 22:16:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21822; Thu, 26 May 94 22:08:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21815; Thu, 26 May 94 22:08:04 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 21:50 PDT From: cxn2624@u.cc.utah.edu (Christian X Nielsen) Date: 26 May 1994 22:38:41 -0600 Subject: pine manuel To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s3tgh$jd8@u.cc.utah.edu> I have been using pine for the past six months. most of the things I learn to do is by using the system, but there is more to it than that. I was wondering if there was anything in print form that goes into detail about pine. Thanks christian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 22:56:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25255; Thu, 26 May 94 22:56:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22656; Thu, 26 May 94 22:48:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22650; Thu, 26 May 94 22:48:18 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 22:32 PDT From: atwoodj!astevens@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Anthony Stevens) Date: 27 May 1994 05:20:53 GMT Subject: Pine/Pico for Sun To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s4004$3rs@condor.ic.net> I have been trying to find binarys for Pico or Pine for SunOS. I found a source file, but it wouldn't compile right. Anyone know where I can find them? Anthony Stevens astevens@brcsun0.tamu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 23:10:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25389; Thu, 26 May 94 23:10:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22866; Thu, 26 May 94 22:58:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22860; Thu, 26 May 94 22:58:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 22:40 PDT From: jharper@kaiwan.com (Jeffrey A Harper) Date: 26 May 1994 22:38:55 -0700 Subject: Sent Mail an option? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s411f$4rf@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Hello, Is the sent mail function able to be "switched off"? I'm not one to save messages I send, and it gets tiresome deleting them after every message I send. ;-) Thanks in advance! ;-) -- Jeffrey Harper GTEC Inc. Belmont Shore, CA USA jharper@kaiwan.com -or- jharper@well.sf.ca.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 23:17:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25503; Thu, 26 May 94 23:17:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23079; Thu, 26 May 94 23:07:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23071; Thu, 26 May 94 23:06:57 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 22:57 PDT From: dtfranke@mothra.syr.edu (Franke) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 04:45:12 GMT Subject: Eudora and Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1994May27.044512.16214@newstand.syr.edu> I've recently found while surfing (the net) for software a program that proposes to allow me to use Eudora-like fuctions on my Mac at home (pull-dowm menus, etc). Apparently, I have to install this piece of beta software in my UNIX account at school, which I don't want to do blindly. The software claims it can be used by people like me who don't have access to TCP software on some accessible server. It'd be great to have a more Mac-like program on my UNIX-based modem-propelled system. Not knowing the name of this software (and unsure about how to download), I'm interested to know if 1) I am the only one in this position, of having to use PINE (which is OK) on a Mac (which means I'm all set up for menus and built-in commands) 2) whether using software that "translates" UNIX to my Mac is unusual, risky, etc. Thanks for reading, David Franke dtfranke@mailbox.syr.edu and of course general distribution From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu May 26 23:56:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25856; Thu, 26 May 94 23:56:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23916; Thu, 26 May 94 23:47:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23909; Thu, 26 May 94 23:47:35 -0700 Received: from tellus.csc.fi by pobox.csc.fi with SMTP id AA09126 (5.65c8+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 May 1994 09:47:29 +0300 Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25555; Fri, 27 May 94 09:47:26 +0300 Message-Id: <9405270647.AA25555@tellus.csc.fi> To: jezor@panix.com (Jonathan I. Ezor) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Converting from Elm to Pine In-Reply-To: Your message of "26 May 1994 16:38:52 EDT." <2s31cs$s04@panix.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 09:47:25 +0300 From: Pekka Kytolaakso Your message dated: 26 May 1994 16:38:52 EDT > Howdy. After setting up my nice folders and aliases on this Unix > system and using Elm for months, I'd like to switch to Pine. Is there > an automatic, or partially automatic, method of changing things over, > other than retyping/resaving/re-everything manually? All help would > be appreciated. Oh, if this in the faq, I apologize, but my system > just started with this newsgroup, and the faq hasn't yet shown up. > :) > {Jonathan} If you set pine to use ~/Mail as maildirectory then folders work as they should. You do this by editing in .pinerc # Sub directory in users home directory where mail folders/files are kept mail-directory=Mail If You browse through the mailinglist archive you should be able to find a script that translates elm aliases to pine aliases. Pekka Kytölaakso --------------------------------------------------------------- netmgr@tellus.csc.fi CSC - Tieteellinen laskenta Pekka.Kytolaakso@csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4571 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 00:06:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26048; Fri, 27 May 94 00:06:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06788; Thu, 26 May 94 23:55:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Datan.SK.Uppsala.SE by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06782; Thu, 26 May 94 23:55:56 -0700 Received: (from sojge@localhost) by datan.sk.uppsala.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.8) id IAA27137; Fri, 27 May 1994 08:55:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 08:55:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199405270655.IAA27137@datan.sk.uppsala.se> X-Dogma: 36 >> 32 From: Klaus Zeuge X-Phone: (int) +46-18-271064 X-Fax: (int) +46-18-271031 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: David L Miller's message of Thu, 26 May 1994 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Inbox >Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: David L Miller > 3. "touch mail.TxT" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon >startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.TxT -- however, >mail.TxT will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder >(faster, but non-standard). This looks a bit like the old GNU-emacs RMAIL problem, where innocent but curios users suddenly have their email messages spread out in several different and incompatible mailfiles. For GNU-emacs, there is unrmail (use archie to look for unrmail.el if you want it) to take a RMAIL file and build a UNIX Berkeley formated mail file. Is there some program which takes a Tenex mail.TxT file and build a UNIX Berkeley formated mail file? > 4. Link in the "mbox" driver when you build Pine. This driver will (upon >Pine startup) pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mbox, which will be a >Bky-format folder. This is maybe the most convenient way. Could you please make it easy to select this in the Makefile? /Klaus PS At the swedish interop last week, Pine seemed to be liked by the email testing group. The big point of weaknes was Pine's failure to follow RFC 1522. DS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 00:16:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26151; Fri, 27 May 94 00:16:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24300; Fri, 27 May 94 00:05:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24294; Fri, 27 May 94 00:05:49 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Thu, 26 May 94 23:52 PDT From: szagar@unixg.ubc.ca (Suzan Zagar) Date: 27 May 1994 06:51:17 GMT Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> <2s330g$o1@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Message-Id: <2s4595$70q@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Jim Davis (jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU) wrote: : In article <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, : Suzan Zagar wrote: : :Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? : I believe it's been mentioned as a feature of Pine 3.90. : : I : :know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that : :your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being : :left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. : Actually it tells you no such thing. At best it suggests that the : message was locally delivered. I don't think so. I sometimes use NUPOP. If you request a return receipt, you actually receive two receipts. The first one tells you that it was delivered (this receipt comes back instantly). Then after the recipient has actually viewed the mail, you get a second receipt telling you the time that the message was read. I was looking for this feature in PINE. Suzan Zagar Woodward Biomedical Library University of British Columbia szagar@unixg.ubc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 01:22:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27365; Fri, 27 May 94 01:22:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25775; Fri, 27 May 94 01:10:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from crypt.u-strasbg.fr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25767; Fri, 27 May 94 01:09:58 -0700 Received: by crypt.u-strasbg.fr (911016.SGI/911001.SGI) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA22698; Fri, 27 May 94 10:14:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy BRAND Reply-To: Guy BRAND Subject: Re: Sent Mail an option? To: Jeffrey A Harper Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s411f$4rf@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 26 May 1994, Jeffrey A Harper wrote: > Hello, > Is the sent mail function able to be "switched off"? > I'm not one to save messages I send, and it gets tiresome deleting them > after every message I send. ;-) Edit your .pinerc file in your home directory and change the default-fcc parameter from : default-fcc=Sent-mail to default-fcc="" You won't keep any copy of sent mails Regards GB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guy BRAND ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) Departement de Chimie guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 01:47:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28127; Fri, 27 May 94 01:47:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26507; Fri, 27 May 94 01:35:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26501; Fri, 27 May 94 01:35:53 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 01:17 PDT From: Mark Crispin Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:06:58 -0700 Subject: re: Inbox To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199405270655.IAA27137@datan.sk.uppsala.se> Message-Id: -Type-Version Klaus Zeuge writes: > Is there some > program which takes a Tenex mail.TxT file and build a UNIX Berkeley > formated mail file? Yes, the mbxcvt program in the mail/ directory on the ftp.cac.washington.edu server provides mailbox conversion capability between various mailbox formats supported by c-client. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 01:57:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28297; Fri, 27 May 94 01:57:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26758; Fri, 27 May 94 01:45:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26752; Fri, 27 May 94 01:45:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 01:30 PDT From: Mark Crispin Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:10:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Inbox To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: -Type-Version David Miller writes: > 3. "touch mail.TxT" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon > startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.TxT -- however, > mail.TxT will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder > (faster, but non-standard). This information is slightly obsolete; the correct name is once again mail.txt in the home directory. Mail pulling is done *only* if mail.txt is empty or in correct format. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 03:04:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29256; Fri, 27 May 94 03:04:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28104; Fri, 27 May 94 02:45:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28098; Fri, 27 May 94 02:44:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 02:25 PDT From: bbarber@uoguelph.ca (Blaine M Barber) Date: 27 May 1994 07:23:37 GMT Subject: Receive Verification? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s475p$1p2@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Is it possible to enable receive verification in Pine? How? not much mystery in the post heading, is there :-) Blaine Barber From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 03:38:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00194; Fri, 27 May 94 03:38:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28969; Fri, 27 May 94 03:24:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28963; Fri, 27 May 94 03:24:42 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 03:13 PDT From: thinker@rahul.net (Bill Llewellyn) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 04:45:25 GMT Subject: Hierarchical mail folders To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Is it possible to have pine create and/or use directories in its mail folder configuration? At present, all mail is saved in simple files under the /Mail directory; allowing for mail file directories under /Mail would improve housekeeping a lot. -- ===================================================================== Regards, Bill Llewellyn <>< thinker@rahul.net I'll take on ANYBODY in a missppelling contest.... ===================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 04:08:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01349; Fri, 27 May 94 04:08:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11161; Fri, 27 May 94 03:53:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dec01.ngu.no by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11155; Fri, 27 May 94 03:53:11 -0700 Received: by dec01.ngu.no id AA03502 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for PINE Discussion list ); Fri, 27 May 1994 12:53:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 12:53:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jan Erik Kofoed Subject: 8bit messages. To: PINE Discussion list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been a user of PINE for some time. A really nice program, put I have a problem I would like to discuss. When using a 8bit character set such as ISO-8859/1, PINE transfers the 8bit characters into MIME qouted printable and adds the header: Content-Transfer-Encoding: QOUTED-PRINTABLE. In Europe most of the MTAs are capable of handling 8bit mail directly, without the need for the UA to code it into 7bit. Not all UAs have MIME capability and it would be nice if PINE as a UA could be configured to not code 8bit messages leaving the problem to the MTAs (sendmail etc.) The correct header would then be: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Is it possible to configure PINE so it does not code 8bit messages, or is this considered as an feature to come in any new versions? The best functionality would be to implement a switch so it is possible to toggle between coding / not coding 8bit characters. Based on the knowledge of the receiver one could choose the best option. - Jan Erik. *** Jan Erik Kofoed Phone (office): +47 73 90 44 20 *** *** Geological Survey of Norway Fax (office): +47 73 92 16 20 *** *** P.O. Box 3006 Lade Phone (home) : +47 72 58 30 04 *** *** N-7002 Trondheim, NORWAY *** *** E-mail: Jan.Kofoed@ngu.no X.400: G=Jan;S=Kofoed;O=ngu;P=UNINETT;C=no *** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 06:12:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02924; Fri, 27 May 94 06:12:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02777; Fri, 27 May 94 05:57:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02771; Fri, 27 May 94 05:57:04 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 05:42 PDT From: taneja@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Adeep Taneja) Date: 27 May 1994 12:37:31 GMT Subject: Pine in Germany To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s4pib$5p3@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Hi! Does anyone know where I can get Pine (for HP-UX) in Germany? Adeep AIESEC Darmstadt, GERY Email : taneja@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de Address : Am Siegesbaum 19 or Hoffmannstrasse 5 1/2 (five and a half) 60437 Frankfurt 64283 Darmstadt Germany Germany Phone : int + 49 6151 425831 "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." (Antoine de St. Exupey) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 06:27:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03062; Fri, 27 May 94 06:27:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03199; Fri, 27 May 94 06:15:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03192; Fri, 27 May 94 06:15:53 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 06:07 PDT From: jbartlet@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (John W. Bartlett) Date: 27 May 1994 12:46:01 GMT Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s4q29$kd3@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Andy Smith (smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu) wrote: : I use pine 3.89. I am sure that this might be a simple question, but : none the less I don't know the answer to it. : When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original : message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. : It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. : How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to : the end of the included text? : -Andy (smith@skid.ps.uci.edu) : Quote of the day: : "I've got a hankerin' for some pork products." -Krusty -- Andy, A useful alternative to using a .sig file at all is to define one (or more) sig-type files and use R to read the file into your document wherever you wish. I have found the use of the straight .sig file to be a problem. When I am replying directly to a local user I use all the information (including work phone number). However when responding to a less well identified user or posting to a news group, I use a more abbreviated form (such as you see here). This gives the option as well of having alternate signatures for more 'serious' E-mail, saving the more humorous for the appropriate communications. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John Bartlett St. John's, Nf Canada jbartlet@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 06:45:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03401; Fri, 27 May 94 06:45:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14101; Fri, 27 May 94 06:34:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from YFN2.YSU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14092; Fri, 27 May 94 06:33:44 -0700 Received: by yfn2.ysu.edu id AA14253 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 27 May 1994 09:33:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 09:33:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199405271333.AA14253@yfn2.ysu.edu> From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) To: Jan.Kofoed@ngu.no Subject: Re: 8bit messages. Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, Jan.Kofoed@ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) says: >When using a 8bit character set such as ISO-8859/1, PINE transfers the 8bit >characters into MIME qouted printable and adds the header: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: QOUTED-PRINTABLE. > >In Europe most of the MTAs are capable of handling 8bit mail directly, >without the need for the UA to code it into 7bit. Not all UAs have MIME >capability and it would be nice if PINE as a UA could be configured to not >code 8bit messages leaving the problem to the MTAs (sendmail etc.) The >correct header would then be: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT There is a difference between being able to blindly pass along 8-bit data, and being smart enough to convert it to an appropriate 7-bit encoding. This is what the ESMTP 8BITMIME in the MTA is for. If you can talk to a sendmail and it claims support of 8BITMIME, then it is okay to pass 8-bit data to it, otherwise, you have no guarantee it is okay. The way Pine might be able to do this is to be set up as an ESMTP client, talking to a server, perhaps the same machine. If Pine can tell that the MTA will properly convert the mail when talking to an "unsafe" sendmail -- i.e., supports 8BITMIME, then Pine could pass along an 8-BIT or BINARY message. >Is it possible to configure PINE so it does not code 8bit messages, or >is this considered as an feature to come in any new versions? I have been told this feature will be provided in a later Pine. I also made the claim a few weeks ago in the pine-info mailing list that BSD v8 Sendmail supported 8BITMIME among its ESMTP, but I was wrong -- it does not. I am aware of at least one 8BITMIME-aware MTA in use on a system with Pine, the new Zmailer. Note that, while a sendmail may be configured to pass 8-bit data, that is not sufficient for use of 8-BIT encoding -- it must be able to convert to an alternative encoding when necessary, and the only mailers that can do that speak ESMTP 8BITMIME. -- Barry Bouwsma, back in Michigan, wishes he were in Europe MIME mail to , ASCII text to Unemployed System Cracker and Unix Administrator, seeking work, food, warmth, companionship, free airline tickets, and lots of money From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 07:02:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03647; Fri, 27 May 94 07:02:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03959; Fri, 27 May 94 06:50:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from YFN2.YSU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03950; Fri, 27 May 94 06:50:29 -0700 Received: by yfn2.ysu.edu id AA15695 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 27 May 1994 09:49:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 09:49:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199405271349.AA15695@yfn2.ysu.edu> From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) To: bradleym@netcom.com Subject: Re: attached file Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, bradleym@netcom.com (Bradley) says: >Dave Sperling (hblin001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: > >> I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my >> friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. >> Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? >> Thanks! > >Yeah, that's one of the problems that I have with Pine. Actually, there are two answers to this question. Pine makes use of the MIME encoding for attachments. This is an encoding which is being widely adopted by different mailers, meaning that Pine can speak the same language as other mail programs, and an attachment created with Pine could very well be decoded by a different mail program. Pine has MIME support built in. There are other mail programs, like Pegasus Mail for PC networks, which also have MIME awareness written into them. And many mailers have been modified to call an external program, such as metamail, upon encountering a MIME message. If the recipient does not use Pine, it is possible that a mail program which does understand MIME may be used, in which case, there should be no problem handling attachments sent by Pine. If the recipient does not use a MIME-aware mailer, then the attachment must be decoded manually. This message referred to the UUENCODE program, which requires that the recipient have access to UUDECODE, and there may be problems with the characters used with a few mail relays. Comparable to UUDECODE is the mpack program which will decode MIME messages. For information on mpack or metamail, see the newsgroup comp.mail.mime . With either of these, your recipient could decode the attachments created with Pine. Whether your recipients could understand Pine's attachments directly must be determined on a case-by-case basis, as it depends on what mail programs they use. But it is possible for certain non-Pine-users to understand MIME messages without difficulty. -- Barry Bouwsma, back in Michigan, wishes he were in Europe MIME mail to , ASCII text to Unemployed System Cracker and Unix Administrator, seeking work, food, warmth, companionship, free airline tickets, and lots of money From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 07:23:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04085; Fri, 27 May 94 07:23:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04305; Fri, 27 May 94 07:04:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04299; Fri, 27 May 94 07:04:33 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 06:57 PDT From: charles@umbc.edu (Charles Myers) Date: 27 May 1994 09:56:49 -0400 Subject: Re: pine manuel To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s3tgh$jd8@u.cc.utah.edu> Message-Id: <2s4u71INNc76@umbc7.umbc.edu> In article <2s3tgh$jd8@u.cc.utah.edu>, Christian X Nielsen wrote: > >I have been using pine for the past six months. most of the things I learn >to do is by using the system, but there is more to it than that. I was >wondering if there was anything in print form that goes into detail about >pine. > Pine has built-in contextual help. I found when I type a "?" in the Folder Index or at the Main Menu, I got help with the commands available there. When I did a ^G in the composer, I got more help on the composer commands. Try these things! _____________________________________________________________ Charles Myers Internet:charles@umbc.edu DP Telecomm Tech II yellnet:410-455-3806 Academic Computing Services fax:410-455-1065 University of Maryland Myers-Briggs Type: INFP Baltimore County Campus From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 07:38:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04323; Fri, 27 May 94 07:38:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04866; Fri, 27 May 94 07:24:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04860; Fri, 27 May 94 07:24:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 07:17 PDT From: rvenable@alw.nih.gov (Rick Venable) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:59:41 GMT Subject: file locking problem To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1994May27.135941.2404@alw.nih.gov> We've recently installed pine under HP-UX 9.01 in an environment where all home directories are NFS mounted using the automount daemon, and are experiencing problems with pine during the 'Sending mail' phase of it's operation. Specifically, pine hangs when the quoted message is displayed on all "remote" hosts in an unrecoverable fashion. When using the host where the home directory actually is, pine works okay *until* it has been hung up on a remote host. After that, invoking a second copy of pine will force the first copy to give up it's file locks, and the mail will be sent and saved in 'sent-mail'. Starting a second copy does *not* free up pine on any remote hosts. Has anyone else experienced this problem, and is there a solution or workaround? Otherwise, we're stuck with the HP-supplied "elm"... -- Rick Venable =====\ |=| "Eschew FDA/CBER Biophysics Lab |____/ |=| Obfuscation" Bethesda, MD U.S.A. | \ / |=| rvenable@helix.nih.gov \/ |=| -- the Phantom Nerd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 07:46:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04475; Fri, 27 May 94 07:46:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05053; Fri, 27 May 94 07:31:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05047; Fri, 27 May 94 07:31:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 07:03 PDT From: lewcobb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Lewis Cobb External) Date: 27 May 1994 13:54:00 GMT Subject: Can you "upload" a mailing list? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s4u1o$7kn@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> Hello and thanks for reading this post. Is there a way that you can "upload" a mailing list to pine so that you can maintain the mailing list on another machine? For example, I want to send a file to a bunch of people but I would prefer to maintain the file and the mailing list on my pc. What I would like to do is, when I want to mail the file to my friends, I wil upload the file into the unix machine that I use for e-mail, along with the list, and then do the mailing. Afterwards, I would erase the both off the unix machine and keep everything on my pc. Thanks for anyhelp you can provide. Lewis lewcobb@unb.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 08:00:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04654; Fri, 27 May 94 08:00:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05403; Fri, 27 May 94 07:45:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05397; Fri, 27 May 94 07:45:10 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 07:36 PDT From: lmbutler@crl.com (Lawrence Butler) Date: 27 May 1994 07:19:56 -0700 Subject: A basic FAQ about pc mail & unix picture viewers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s4vic$2r4@crl.crl.com> I have a basic question. To use PC-Pine is it a requirement that your computer be part of a LAN, or have a POP, Slipp account? Or can you uses it with a plain old dialup user account (provided neccesary software is installed) what would this software be? If it requires hardware, what realitively inexpensive hardware device would you use? Second faq: To really be able to use MIME at its fullest you need to be on an X terminal correct? IOW, to view pictures that are mailed to you you would need 1. X-terminal 2.viewing software Third faq: To save or download a MIME attactment do you just press e to export the file and then uudecode the file? Thanks for your help! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 08:07:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04844; Fri, 27 May 94 08:07:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02904; Fri, 27 May 94 06:02:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02898; Fri, 27 May 94 06:02:51 -0700 Received: from aoce.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA13417 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 May 1994 08:01:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199405271301.AA13417@mercury.unt.edu> Date: 27 May 1994 08:00:33 -0500 From: "thacker" Subject: Re> Re: IMAP Client for Mac? To: "Mark Duffield" Cc: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="--=_Friday, May 27, 1994 8:01 AM" > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. > Some parts of it will be readable as plain text. ----=_Friday, May 27, 1994 8:01 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Within the next two months, the ISA Corp out of Canada will release ECS = Mail 3.0 for Mac, Windows and X-Window. This is a fully IMAP/MIME compatible mail = package and looks quite promissing. I have tested version 2.x of this product and am quite pleased with it. I have attached an older mail message about ECS Mail for WINDOWS. All of = the contact information is listed there along with description of what ECS = Mail is. PS: Univ. of Texas at Dallas and Univ. of Arizona (I think, might be ASU) have both purchased several hundred copies of these programs. 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dyeh@husc7.harvard.edu (David Yeh) Date: 27 May 1994 13:16:12 GMT Subject: Re: Rejecting Mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s351d$88n@u.cc.utah.edu> Message-Id: <2s4rqs$ck6@scunix2.harvard.edu> Eric Jolley (ewj8218@u.cc.utah.edu) wrote: : I need some help here... : I know that you can forward mail by simply creating a file called : .forward, but is there an easy way to reject mail? Like a file called : .reject? (I know this doesn't work, but something similar) I know you : can reject using Elm, but the process looks more complicated than I need, : in addition to the fact that I use Pine, not Elm. Any pointers? : -- It doesn't matter if you use Pine. You can use elm's filter, which will delete stuff with specific words in the from, subject, etc. lines...I haven't actually gotten it to work, but if I do, i'll send more help, if no one has already. David Yeh dyeh@husc.harvard.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 08:27:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05339; Fri, 27 May 94 08:27:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06012; Fri, 27 May 94 08:13:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06005; Fri, 27 May 94 08:12:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 08:03 PDT From: unix1!hl427x@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Josh Parker) Date: 27 May 1994 14:51:55 GMT Subject: Re: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s3amm$blp@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Message-Id: <2s51eb$h0s@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu> Kenneth Ruiz (uaceohrt@mcl.ucsb.edu) had the nerve to write: : Greetings... : Perhaps this is a lame question, but how can l forward mail to multiple : people without it listing *everyone* l've sent it to?!? sure, no prob. just access the whole header (cntr-r when in the header) and put the aliases in the bcc: line. that's for blind carbon copy, if you're interested. josh ============================================================================== Josh Parker | HL427X@UNIX1.CIRC.GWU.EDU | "I Love Jookit" TW735C@GWUVM.BITNET | ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 08:46:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06101; Fri, 27 May 94 08:46:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06444; Fri, 27 May 94 08:32:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06434; Fri, 27 May 94 08:32:50 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 08:21 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 08:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Change the '>' To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s2rl8INNhaq@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: -Type-Version The '>' is not currently settable. The FAQ is being constructed. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 26 May 1994, Charles Chan wrote: > > Hi, I would like to know how to change the '>' sign in "R"eply to > something else. Also, is there a FAQ for pine? > > Thanx. > cc > > -- > Charles QC Chan > E-mail: charlesc@umich.edu > > Undergraduate Computer Engineering > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 08:50:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06364; Fri, 27 May 94 08:50:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06650; Fri, 27 May 94 08:38:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06634; Fri, 27 May 94 08:38:51 -0700 Received: (from rlee@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA13256; Fri, 27 May 1994 10:39:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:39:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Making alternate editor the default To: Peter Berger Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s33vk$bjr@foxholly.lm.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I believe the answer is "no." I hope this gets into a FAQ file real soon now. On 26 May 1994, Peter Berger wrote: > I prefer using "vi" over "pico" to edit mail (no sneers, please!). Is > there anyway to *automatically* enter vi upon choosing C)ompose, rather > than having to take the extra step of hitting ^_ ? > > Thanks! > > Peter Berger > Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh > > -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy / Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 08:59:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06668; Fri, 27 May 94 08:59:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06840; Fri, 27 May 94 08:44:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06834; Fri, 27 May 94 08:44:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 08:31 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BLINDing in Pine.. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: -Type-Version Some Mail Transport Agents (MTAs) will add an "Apparently-To:" header on mail that arrives for someone not listed in the To: or Cc: headers. Pine will suppress this header, but many other mail programs do not. It partially defeats the purpose of Bcc:, but the MTA's behavior is not under our control... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 26 May 1994, Glen Wooten wrote: > I'm using version 3.89 of Pine for Unix, and I've come across a possible > bug. When using the blind (Bcc:) command, it appears to blind addresses > SITE specific, as opposed to ADDRESS specific (with the exception of the > syste it's running on (in this case, Netcom.) If i was to be sending > duplicate copies of mail to 2 people on Netcom, 2 people on GEnie, and 2 > people on CompuServe, the people on GEnie & Compuserve would see the > other person on thier network that got the mail, but none of the other > addresses. The people on Netcom would see no other addresses. > > Has anyone else run into this? Is this a bug, or am I missing something > not shown in the manual? > -- > jaguar1@netcom.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 09:01:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06776; Fri, 27 May 94 09:01:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06848; Fri, 27 May 94 08:44:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06842; Fri, 27 May 94 08:44:25 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 08:35 PDT From: seost2@pitt.edu (Selcuk Ozturk) Date: 27 May 94 11:29:06 Subject: saved-msg-name-rule To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Is this a bug? I have Pine 3.89 up and running. But, whenever I change .pinerc as saved-msg-name-rule=last-folder-used or as saved-msg-name-rule=by-recipient. Pine changes it back to saved-msg-name-rule=by-from. Is this a bug or the other alternatives are not implemented, yet? Selcuk -- --- *This letter is printed on 100% recycled electrons.* --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 09:08:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07661; Fri, 27 May 94 09:08:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17043; Fri, 27 May 94 08:52:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from YFN2.YSU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17028; Fri, 27 May 94 08:51:39 -0700 Received: by yfn2.ysu.edu id AA25012 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 27 May 1994 11:52:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199405271552.AA25012@yfn2.ysu.edu> From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) To: lmbutler@crl.com Subject: Re: A basic FAQ about pc mail & unix picture viewers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, lmbutler@crl.com (Lawrence Butler) says: >I have a basic question. To use PC-Pine is it a requirement that your >computer be part of a LAN, or have a POP, Slipp account? Or can you >uses it with a plain old dialup user account PC-Pine requires another machine to hold received mail, and a machine to serve for sending mail along. To talk to these machines, PC-Pine uses IMAP or SMTP. Therefore, PC-Pine must have either a network connection directly, or speak over a SLIP or PPP link. PC-Pine does not use POP, nor will it work over a regular dial-up account that works for terminal emulators, unless this account also can provide SLIP or PPP service. There are several versions of PC-Pine to allow you to use different packet drivers or different networks. >Second faq: To really be able to use MIME at its fullest you need to be >on an X terminal correct? IOW, to view pictures that are mailed to you >you would need 1. X-terminal 2.viewing software An X terminal can make display of simultaneous windows more convenient. But you could also use PC-Pine, save a received image as a file, and run a viewer on that file outside of Pine. MIME also permits mailing of sounds and formatted documents, and the only thing you really need is the ability to display these; that is, you need programs to view them, whether for X or a PC or whatever. >Third faq: To save or download a MIME attactment do you just press e to >export the file and then uudecode the file? MIME attachments are not UUENCODEd. They use BASE64 encoding, which is different from UUENCODE. Pine has decoding built in. When you receive an attachment with MIME, Pine will list the attachments and prompt you to iew attachments, whereupon you will then be given the option of aving the attachment to a file, or if it can be displayed (a text file, or if your display is capable of showing images), you can iew it. Pine splits off the attachments and saves them separately in files for you, and no further action is needed on your part, other than to provide the name of the file in which the attachment is to be saved. Pine decodes the file, saving a GIF image as a GIF binary file, for example. -- Barry Bouwsma, back in Michigan, wishes he were in Europe MIME mail to , ASCII text to Unemployed System Cracker and Unix Administrator, seeking work, food, warmth, companionship, free airline tickets, and lots of money From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 09:33:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08569; Fri, 27 May 94 09:33:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07859; Fri, 27 May 94 09:16:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07853; Fri, 27 May 94 09:16:11 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 09:02 PDT From: gboone@cc.gatech.edu (Gary N. Boone) Date: 27 May 1994 15:58:10 GMT Subject: How to automate Expunge? message... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s55ai$1el@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> How can I eliminate the prompt when I quit Pine that says, "Expunge the 1 deleted message from "INBOX"? (y/n) [y]" ? I'd like it to do so automatically... Thanks Gary --- -Gary N. Boone (gboone@cc.gatech.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 09:35:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08630; Fri, 27 May 94 09:35:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07851; Fri, 27 May 94 09:16:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07845; Fri, 27 May 94 09:16:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 08:54 PDT From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Date: 27 May 1994 09:37:36 -0600 Subject: greetings and a few recommendations.... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s5440$pen@centauri.unm.edu> Greetings.... I just found out that this group [which I voted for] is now operational. I would like to recommend the followings for future pine upgrades/versions : 1) [this one I am sure can not be done in pine 3.8] Directory expansion. To be able to expand a directory in FOLDER MENU as as you select it into more mail-folders. 2) [this one I am not sure. It may be possible but I don't know it] Via commands 'g' [go-to-folder] and 's' [save-to-folder] user should be able to give an alias, a nick-name if you will, rather than typing the folder's path. I know some of you may suggest usage of unix's link facility but I think that will create a big mess for people [like me] who has a lot of folders in various places. Thanks, Farid From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 10:34:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10292; Fri, 27 May 94 10:34:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09149; Fri, 27 May 94 10:14:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09143; Fri, 27 May 94 10:14:27 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 09:12 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 09:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s4595$70q@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Message-Id: -Type-Version On 27 May 1994, Suzan Zagar wrote: > I don't think so. I sometimes use NUPOP. If you request a return receipt, > you actually receive two receipts. The first one tells you that it was > delivered (this receipt comes back instantly). Then after the recipient > has actually viewed the mail, you get a second receipt telling you the > time that the message was read. I was looking for this feature in PINE. > The problem is that there is no way to tell a priori what (if anything) you will get back when the mail is delivered or read. Some MTAs will send a delivery reciept. Some MUAs will send a read reciept. But in many cases you will get _nothing_, no matter what you request :( |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 10:35:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10331; Fri, 27 May 94 10:35:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09157; Fri, 27 May 94 10:14:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09151; Fri, 27 May 94 10:14:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 09:13 PDT From: hahn@deshaw.com (Rob Hahn) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 16:02:49 GMT Subject: Mailing lists in pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s4vic$2r4@crl.crl.com> Message-Id: I'm interested in setting up a mailing list -- or perhaps a listserv might be a better term for it, since I'd like all the messages to the list to be bounced to everyone on the list automatically. Almost everyone I've spoken to says they use elm for this. Can pine be used efficiently for this kind of a mailing list? If so, how? I didn't notice anything like a "bounce" command. Thanks! -rsh -- ` Robert S. Hahn hahn@deshaw.com - work --- | "A mountain is a mountain, hahn@panix.com - personal O |- and water is water." |____ - Korean Zen master Sung-chul From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 10:38:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10500; Fri, 27 May 94 10:38:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09405; Fri, 27 May 94 10:26:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09399; Fri, 27 May 94 10:26:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 10:17 PDT From: tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA (Thomas Fletcher) Date: Fri, 27 May 94 16:18:39 GMT Subject: Reply and Signature Placement To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <1994May27.161839.27960@sol.UVic.CA> Hello all, Allright, I will admit it I love Pine. However despite this new devotion to the mail/editor package I have one small pet peeve. I would like that when I reply to a message and choose to include the old message in the reply it ends up below my signature file. I would like to change this so that the signature is the last thing to come up. Right now I manually delete it and then import it at the end. This is not a solution ... just a way to avoid the problem. Anyone able to help me out on this one? Thanks in Advance Thomas Fletcher tfletche@engr.uvic.ca or tfletche@malahat.library.uvic.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 10:39:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10588; Fri, 27 May 94 10:39:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09421; Fri, 27 May 94 10:26:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09415; Fri, 27 May 94 10:26:54 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 10:17 PDT From: jderrico@umich.edu (John D'Errico) Date: 27 May 1994 16:54:43 GMT Subject: IMAP Client for OS/2? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: Message-Id: <2s58kj$kmv@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> As the subject says, Is there an IPAM client for OS/2? ----------- John D'Errico The University of Michigan Team OS/2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 10:39:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10612; Fri, 27 May 94 10:39:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09429; Fri, 27 May 94 10:27:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09423; Fri, 27 May 94 10:26:59 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 10:17 PDT From: davidlee@umich.edu (David Sang-shin Lee) Date: 27 May 1994 17:00:42 GMT Subject: Editing with Pine/Pico To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s58vq$kn8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I often access my mail from home by using Telnet 2.6 (Macintosh) to a campus UNIX machine. I run Pine 3.89 to access my campus IMAP server and get my mail. My question is this: I haven't been able to use the "mark" feature in the Pine email editor (and Pico file editor) on my Macintosh. When I use non-Mac machines on campus, if I type ctrl-^ there is no problem. When I try to do the same thing from my Mac at home, I get the character "6". Any insights out there? Sorry if this is a FAQ; my Usenet site just started receiving this group 3 days ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------- David S. Lee (davidlee@umich.edu) All opinions HR6028, Kresge Hearing Research Institute expressed University of Michigan here are Ann Arbor MI 48109-0506 mine! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 11:36:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12986; Fri, 27 May 94 11:36:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10984; Fri, 27 May 94 11:26:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10978; Fri, 27 May 94 11:26:08 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 11:01 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Pine/Pico for Sun To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s4004$3rs@condor.ic.net> Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Binaries for SunOS 4.1 on SPARC are available from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the mail/unix-bin directory. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Anthony Stevens wrote: > I have been trying to find binarys for Pico or Pine for SunOS. I found a > source file, but it wouldn't compile right. Anyone know where I can find > them? > > Anthony Stevens > astevens@brcsun0.tamu.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 11:36:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12987; Fri, 27 May 94 11:36:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10976; Fri, 27 May 94 11:26:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10970; Fri, 27 May 94 11:26:05 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 11:01 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Hierarchical mail folders To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Not yet available, but definitely on the list... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 May 1994, Bill Llewellyn wrote: > Is it possible to have pine create and/or use directories in its mail > folder configuration? At present, all mail is saved in simple files under > the /Mail directory; allowing for mail file directories under /Mail would > improve housekeeping a lot. > -- > ===================================================================== > Regards, Bill Llewellyn <>< thinker@rahul.net > I'll take on ANYBODY in a missppelling contest.... > ===================================================================== > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 11:55:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13912; Fri, 27 May 94 11:55:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11551; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11543; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 11:31 PDT From: barryf@iol.ie (Barry Flanagan) Date: 27 May 1994 17:26:06 GMT Subject: Re: Editing with Pine/Pico To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <2s58vq$kn8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: <2s5afe$94k@barnacle.iol.ie> David Sang-shin Lee (davidlee@umich.edu) wrote: : I often access my mail from home by using Telnet 2.6 (Macintosh) to a : campus UNIX machine. I run Pine 3.89 to access my campus IMAP server and : get my mail. : My question is this: I haven't been able to use the "mark" feature in : the Pine email editor (and Pico file editor) on my Macintosh. When I use : non-Mac machines on campus, if I type ctrl-^ there is no problem. When I : try to do the same thing from my Mac at home, I get the character "6". Try ^-SHIFT-6 -Barry -- *********************************************************************** IRELAND ON-LINE, West Wing, Furbo, Galway, Ireland Tel: +353 (0)91 92727 : Fax: +353 (0)91 92726 IOL Internet Services - Dublin: 671-5185 : Galway 92711 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 11:56:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13985; Fri, 27 May 94 11:56:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21469; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21461; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:17 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 11:31 PDT From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Date: 27 May 1994 11:09:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Reply and Signature Placement To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu References: <1994May27.161839.27960@sol.uvic.ca> Message-Id: <2s5d0r$2u2@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> In article <1994May27.161839.27960@sol.uvic.ca>, Thomas Fletcher wrote: :I would like to change this so that the signature is the last :thing to come up. Right now I manually delete it and then import :it at the end. This is not a solution ... just a way to avoid :the problem. For UNIX pine 3.89, at least, the answer's given in the online help. If you choose 'Help' from the main menu, then item 9 (under 'Configurable Features') tells you to add a line that says feature-list=signature-at-bottom to your .pinerc file. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 11:56:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13993; Fri, 27 May 94 11:56:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11541; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11535; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:21 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 11:32 PDT From: David L Miller Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Editing with Pine/Pico To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s58vq$kn8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Apparently Telnet 2.6 intercepts the ctrl-^ character :( To work around this, try 'ESC ESC ^' |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, David Sang-shin Lee wrote: > I often access my mail from home by using Telnet 2.6 (Macintosh) to a > campus UNIX machine. I run Pine 3.89 to access my campus IMAP server and > get my mail. > > My question is this: I haven't been able to use the "mark" feature in > the Pine email editor (and Pico file editor) on my Macintosh. When I use > non-Mac machines on campus, if I type ctrl-^ there is no problem. When I > try to do the same thing from my Mac at home, I get the character "6". > > Any insights out there? Sorry if this is a FAQ; my Usenet site just > started receiving this group 3 days ago. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > David S. Lee (davidlee@umich.edu) All opinions > HR6028, Kresge Hearing Research Institute expressed > University of Michigan here are > Ann Arbor MI 48109-0506 mine! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 11:57:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14039; Fri, 27 May 94 11:57:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11565; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11557; Fri, 27 May 94 11:45:28 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 11:32 PDT From: kblue@netcom.com (Karen Blue) Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 17:58:35 GMT Subject: printing multiple messages To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: printing multiple tagged messages Is there anyway to tag and then print multiple messages with one print command? I can save tagged messages to a folder, but can't seem to print either an entire folder or selected messages. Any ideas? -- "Blue" kblue@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 12:09:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14455; Fri, 27 May 94 12:09:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21798; Fri, 27 May 94 11:57:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21792; Fri, 27 May 94 11:57:51 -0700 Received: by wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (5.65/1.37) id AA00632; Fri, 27 May 94 11:57:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 04:56:47 -31702 (PDT) From: "Wile E. Coyote" Subject: Usenet News To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've heard of people configuring pine to automatically recieve a newsfeed for any given Usenet newsgroup. How can I do that, and do I need a specific version of pine installed to do so? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 12:41:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15342; Fri, 27 May 94 12:41:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12672; Fri, 27 May 94 12:32:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12666; Fri, 27 May 94 12:32:48 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 12:28 PDT From: tipcat@wam.umd.edu (Frank Young) Date: 27 May 1994 19:25:40 GMT Subject: =20 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s5hfk$nm3@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> I use the PINE/PICO combination on UNIX for my mail. In about twenty percent of the messages I send, either as originals or as replies, my recipients get the three characters =20 at the end of each line [or at the beginning of the line beneath]. I notice that if a line does not go into word wrap -- i.e., does not extend to the right-hand margin -- the =20 does not appear. In particular, all of my messages from wam.umd.edu to ucs.indiana.edu have the annoying =20 -- whether I am sending or replying to the VICTORIA-L listserv or to a private person. Can someone help me with this problem? Thanks. -- Regards, Frank Young tipcat@wam.umd.edu 703-532-6284 6166 Leesburg Pike, Suite B-12, Falls Church, Virginia 22044-2343 "Videmus nunc per speculum in ‘nigmate.... Nunc cognosco ex parte" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 12:48:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15599; Fri, 27 May 94 12:48:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22849; Fri, 27 May 94 12:40:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22837; Fri, 27 May 94 12:40:50 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27550; Fri, 27 May 94 12:40:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 12:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Hierarchical mail folders In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While full hierarchy support (so that you can "open" a directory in your folder list) awaits IMAP4, it should be noted that you can already create folder collections which are in fact subdirectories of other folder collections. -teg On Fri, 27 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Not yet available, but definitely on the list... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 27 May 1994, Bill Llewellyn wrote: > > > Is it possible to have pine create and/or use directories in its mail > > folder configuration? At present, all mail is saved in simple files under > > the /Mail directory; allowing for mail file directories under /Mail would > > improve housekeeping a lot. > > -- > > ===================================================================== > > Regards, Bill Llewellyn <>< thinker@rahul.net > > I'll take on ANYBODY in a missppelling contest.... > > ===================================================================== > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:11:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20491; Fri, 27 May 94 15:11:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16184; Fri, 27 May 94 15:03:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16177; Fri, 27 May 94 15:02:59 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 14:53 PDT From: stic@garnet.msen.com (JoAnn Beattie) Date: 27 May 1994 21:39:00 GMT Subject: Downloading Attachments from Pine Mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <2s5p9k$159@nigel.msen.com> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:21:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20908; Fri, 27 May 94 15:21:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16417; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16411; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:45 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:03 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 May 94 15:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: elmer!mcrae@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Andrew McRae) Hello, world. David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > Apparently Telnet 2.6 intercepts the ctrl-^ character :( The problem is more likely to be that it never gets generated. :( :( >From the README file in the NCSA Telnet 2.6 distribution: > I've included some KCHRs created by Matt Elliott to work > around Apple's lack of a method for producing ctrl-@ or ctrl-^ > with the standard KCHR The "KCHRs" are keyboard layout files which you can drop into the System file and select from the Keyboard control panel (or Keyboards menu, if you have one). Using the supplied keyboard layout file, ctrl-shift-6 produces the "ctrl-^" that Pine/Pico recognize. Cheers, Andrew. -- Andrew McRae From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:22:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20971; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16433; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16427; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:51 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:08 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 May 94 15:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Pine 3.90 will support multiple addressbooks. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 26 May 1994, Galen C. Hunt wrote: > Almost everyone on our campus is using pine from one of the central mail > server. It would be really nice if their was some way to browse a campus > wide mail directory. I can easily set up software to create a directory, > but does anyone have any suggestions on how to access it from pine? > Does pine support multiple address books? > > galen > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:25:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21044; Fri, 27 May 94 15:25:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16441; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16435; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:54 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:09 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 May 94 15:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weaver@cs5.vth.colostate.edu (Brian Weaver) Bradley (bradleym@netcom.com) wrote: : Dave Sperling (hblin001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: : > I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my : > friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. : > Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? : > Thanks! : Yeah, that's one of the problems that I have with Pine. : You can do it one of 2 ways. : 1. You can uuencode the file, and then use ^R to insert a text file. : ie, "uuencode foo foo >foo.uue" will make a file called : foo.uue. Then, inside pine, you can read in the file as text. : 2. You can use plain old Mail. The command while writing the body is: : "~< ! uuencode foo foo : It MUST be on a new line. : Of course, this all assumes that the recieving party knows how to : uudecode a file (which is simple). : Bradley : ----------------------------------------------------------------------- : '66 Kombi | Gimme my old cars any day | ,__o : '65 Chevelle | but, | _-\_<, : '88 Ritchey | I need a new bike! | (*)/'(*) : bradleym@netcom.com finger for PGP public key Hayward, CA Is there a way for pine to decode attached files automatically, or easily? - Brian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:26:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21101; Fri, 27 May 94 15:26:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16425; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16419; Fri, 27 May 94 15:12:48 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:05 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 May 94 15:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: charnoft@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu (Forrest T Charnock) Does there exist a rules program for pine? i.e. automatically save male from John Doe in the Doe file, send automatic replies when a letter contains a certain phrase, etc. -- * * * * * The more the pity that fools may not speak wisely what wise men do foolishly. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:34:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21317; Fri, 27 May 94 15:34:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16711; Fri, 27 May 94 15:23:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16704; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: RFI - news Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine 3.89 can be used as a news *reader* by setting the news-collections variable in your .pinerc file and generating a .newsrc file with another reader. Pine 3.90 will allow posting and subscription management. Pico currently only supports a single file at a time. There is a requested enhancement on the list that would preserve the "cut" buffer across messages, but that is not yet implemented. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 May 1994, Peter Grace wrote: > Hi > please send info re: pine's use as a newsreader. > > How about cutting and pasting to/from multiple buffers/files using pico? > > Cheers, > peter > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:35:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21383; Fri, 27 May 94 15:35:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16694; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16688; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Receive Verification? Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s475p$1p2@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Pine 3.90 will allow you to insert a header requesting a reciept. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Blaine M Barber wrote: > Is it possible to enable receive verification in Pine? How? > > not much mystery in the post heading, is there :-) > > Blaine Barber > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:37:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21476; Fri, 27 May 94 15:37:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16726; Fri, 27 May 94 15:23:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16720; Fri, 27 May 94 15:23:14 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: greetings and a few recommendations.... Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s5440$pen@centauri.unm.edu> On 27 May 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > 1) [this one I am sure can not be done > in pine 3.8] > > Directory expansion. To be able to > expand a directory in FOLDER MENU as > as you select it into more mail-folders. > > Hierarchical collections are planned.... > > 2) [this one I am not sure. It may be possible > but I don't know it] > > Via commands 'g' [go-to-folder] and 's' [save-to-folder] > user should be able to give an alias, a nick-name if you > will, rather than typing the folder's path. I know > some of you may suggest usage of unix's link facility > but I think that will create a big mess for people > [like me] who has a lot of folders in various places. > I would suggest a judicious use of folder collections. Then you can press ^N or ^P to move between collections at the 'g' and 's' prompts. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:37:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21512; Fri, 27 May 94 15:37:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16686; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16680; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:49 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Changing From: address Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine 3.90 will allow this. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 May 1994, Jeff Bernstein wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way (for v3.89) to change the From: field > on my ougoing mail? As in I log into one account, but if someone > replies, I want it to go do a different address. I heard somewhere that > this can be done through editing .pinerc, but I have yet to come across > the exact line to add or change. Any help would be appreciated, even if > it's just saying it can't be done. Thanks in advance > > Jeff Bernstein > jsbernstein@ucdavis.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:38:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21537; Fri, 27 May 94 15:38:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16702; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16696; Fri, 27 May 94 15:22:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Variable justification Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Not yet... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 25 May 1994, Jason Jones wrote: > When using pico as the message composer, is there a way to shorten the > default line length from the 70 character limit to say 60 characters? I'm > using Unix pine version 3.89. > > Thanks in advance... > > -Jason > > -- > _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ Jason Jones - jej@ptech.com > _/ _/ _/ _/ Systems Engineer > _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ Piedmont Technology Group, Inc. > _/ _/ _/ _/ 830 Tyvola Rd - Charlotte NC - 28217 > _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ phone 704.523.2410 x130 fax 704.523.7764 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:46:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21828; Fri, 27 May 94 15:46:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17014; Fri, 27 May 94 15:34:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17008; Fri, 27 May 94 15:34:01 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: printing multiple messages Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 14:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This will be available in Pine 3.90. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 May 1994, Karen Blue wrote: > printing multiple tagged messages > > Is there anyway to tag and then print multiple messages with one print > command? I can save tagged messages to a folder, but can't seem to print > either an entire folder or selected messages. Any ideas? > > -- > "Blue" kblue@netcom.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:46:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21859; Fri, 27 May 94 15:46:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17022; Fri, 27 May 94 15:34:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17016; Fri, 27 May 94 15:34:04 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: A basic FAQ about pc mail & unix picture viewers Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s4vic$2r4@crl.crl.com> You need Ethernet, SLIP, or PPP and an IMAP server. A POP server is not required. PC-Pine can invoke image viewers, but some viewers do not cooperate well with PC-Pine. The Windows version of Pine should ease this restriction somewhat. MIME does not use uuencode. Pine will handle all of the necessary decoding when you View/Save the attachment. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Lawrence Butler wrote: > I have a basic question. To use PC-Pine is it a requirement that your > computer be part of a LAN, or have a POP, Slipp account? Or can you > uses it with a plain old dialup user account (provided neccesary software > is installed) what would this software be? If it requires hardware, what > realitively inexpensive hardware device would you use? > > Second faq: To really be able to use MIME at its fullest you need to be > on an X terminal correct? IOW, to view pictures that are mailed to you > you would need 1. X-terminal 2.viewing software > > Third faq: To save or download a MIME attactment do you just press e to > export the file and then uudecode the file? > > Thanks for your help! > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:46:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21877; Fri, 27 May 94 15:46:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16990; Fri, 27 May 94 15:33:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16984; Fri, 27 May 94 15:33:54 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: How to automate Expunge? message... Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s55ai$1el@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> Add "expunge-without-confirm" to the "feature-list=" in your .pinerc file. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Gary N. Boone wrote: > How can I eliminate the prompt when I quit Pine that says, > "Expunge the 1 deleted message from "INBOX"? (y/n) [y]" ? > > I'd like it to do so automatically... > > Thanks > Gary > > --- > > -Gary N. Boone (gboone@cc.gatech.edu) > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 15:47:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21912; Fri, 27 May 94 15:47:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16999; Fri, 27 May 94 15:34:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16992; Fri, 27 May 94 15:33:57 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 15:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Mailing lists in pine Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 14:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists. This program works equally well with Pine. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 May 1994, Rob Hahn wrote: > > I'm interested in setting up a mailing list -- or perhaps a listserv might > be a better term for it, since I'd like all the messages to the list to be > bounced to everyone on the list automatically. Almost everyone I've spoken > to says they use elm for this. > > Can pine be used efficiently for this kind of a mailing list? If so, how? > I didn't notice anything like a "bounce" command. > > Thanks! > > -rsh > > -- > ` Robert S. Hahn hahn@deshaw.com - work > --- | "A mountain is a mountain, hahn@panix.com - personal > O |- and water is water." > |____ - Korean Zen master Sung-chul > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 16:35:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23455; Fri, 27 May 94 16:35:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18296; Fri, 27 May 94 16:23:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18286; Fri, 27 May 94 16:23:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 16:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: urjlew@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj) Subject: Re: error message Date: 27 May 1994 21:10:55 GMT Message-Id: <2s5nkv$e33@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: I am just curious. Is a bug in PINE a Pine beetle or are there other types? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 16:47:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23707; Fri, 27 May 94 16:47:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18496; Fri, 27 May 94 16:32:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18490; Fri, 27 May 94 16:32:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 16:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: galekwr@garnet.msen.com (User Unknown) Subject: Pine and ProComm + for windows Date: 27 May 1994 22:49:38 GMT Message-Id: <2s5te2$3e2@nigel.msen.com> Is anyone familiar with capturing email messages from pine using procomm plus for windows? I am able to capture everything else successfully but on pine all I get is the first and last line of text...and blank space in between. Any ideas? Or am i going about this in the wrong way? Thanks galekwr@mail.msen.com Kurt Rosenkranz From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 16:59:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24010; Fri, 27 May 94 16:59:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18913; Fri, 27 May 94 16:52:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18907; Fri, 27 May 94 16:52:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 16:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tipcat@wam.umd.edu (Frank Young) Subject: bug in PINE Date: 27 May 1994 22:12:23 GMT Message-Id: <2s5r87$qed@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> If this message makes it beyond the confines of the University of Maryland at College Park, will someone please drop me an e-mail line to let me know you saw it. When I send messages generated by PINE [with PICO as editor] to about twenty percent of my correspondents, the messages arrive with the three characters =20 at the close of each line, where word wrap happens. I don't experience this, if the whole line of text does not extend near to the right margin. In particular, all of my messages, orginal and replies, from wam.umd.edu to ucs.indiana.edu come out this way, whether I am using a listserv [VICTORIA-L] or just e-mailing to a colleague. Can someone help me with this problem? -- Regards, Frank Young tipcat@wam.umd.edu 703-532-6284 6166 Leesburg Pike, Suite B-12, Falls Church, Virginia 22044-2343 "Videmus nunc per speculum in ‘nigmate.... Nunc cognosco ex parte" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 17:46:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25470; Fri, 27 May 94 17:46:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19982; Fri, 27 May 94 17:39:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19976; Fri, 27 May 94 17:39:13 -0700 Received: by wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (5.65/1.37) id AA00905; Fri, 27 May 94 17:39:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 17:37:17 -31702 (PDT) From: "Wile E. Coyote" Subject: Compiling pine on NeXT-Slab (Black) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For some reason Pine 3.89 refuses to compile on my NeXT Station. It exits with the following error: cc: installation problem, cannot exec as: No such file or directory Who can give me a hand? Jeremy Noetzelman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 17:51:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25559; Fri, 27 May 94 17:51:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20065; Fri, 27 May 94 17:44:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20059; Fri, 27 May 94 17:44:28 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 17:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Subject: Re: pine manuel Date: 27 May 1994 19:42:41 -0400 Message-Id: <2s60hh$gn3@panix2.panix.com> References: <2s3tgh$jd8@u.cc.utah.edu> Christian X Nielsen (cxn2624@u.cc.utah.edu) wrote: : I have been using pine for the past six months. most of the things I learn : to do is by using the system, but there is more to it than that. I was : wondering if there was anything in print form that goes into detail about : pine. Have you tried the on-line Unix manual for Pine on your system? Try typing "man pine" at your system prompt, or ask your system manager. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 18:21:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26324; Fri, 27 May 94 18:21:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20658; Fri, 27 May 94 18:14:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20652; Fri, 27 May 94 18:14:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 18:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Filtering mail with deliver. Date: 27 May 1994 17:18:07 -0700 Message-Id: <2s62jv$3jm@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> It looks like questions about how to sort incoming mail into separate folders are going to be pretty common. Currently there isn't a way in pine itself, but you can use an auxillary program to work with pine and get mail automatically sorted into different folders. Here's one way, using Chip Salzenberg's "deliver" program to do the sorting, on a UNIX system using sendmail as the mail transport agent. First of all you'll need to get deliver installed on your system, if it's not already. It's usually installed setuid root, so that will take cooperation from your system administrator. (Though the installation notes say that you can install it in a personal directory and do without root-setuidness.) The source code to deliver is available from any major ftp archive; use archie to find one near you. Deliver should compile and run on most UNIX systems without any problems. Once deliver is installed, say in /usr/local/bin/deliver, then you tell sendmail to pass all incoming mail through deliver by putting "|/usr/local/bin/deliver your-username" into your .forward file in your home directory. (The quotes are needed, and don't forget to add your user name as an argument or sendmail may do unintuitive and unpopular things to your mail.) Now what deliver does with your mail depends on the the rules inside a file called .deliver in your home directory. Here's (a shortened version of) my .deliver file: #!/bin/sh user="$1" TO=`header -f To -f CC $HEADER` case "$TO" in *clarissa*) echo $user:mail/clarissa;; esac case "$TO" in *usenet*) echo $user:mail/news; exit;; esac # Default case echo $user It's a Bourne shell script that looks at the 'To:' (or 'Cc:') line in the header of the incoming mail message. If the message came from the Clarissa Explains it All mailing list, then the 'To:' line says To: clarissa@tcp.com and that matches the '*clarissa*' pattern in the first case statement. So that message is put in my clarissa folder. If the message came from our Usenet software, then the 'To:' line says To: usenet and that matches the '*usenet*' pattern in the second case statement. So that message goes to my news folder. The last line in the .deliver file sends a copy of everything to my inbox, so anything else besides the Clarissa or news mail goes to my inbox as usual, and a copy of the Clarissa mail goes to my inbox too. That way I can see everything in one place, and still have a copy put in the right folder automatically. (Since the news mail is usually uninteresting I bypass the copy to my inbox with the 'exit' command at the end of that case statement.) Deliver can do much more but this should give you an idea of how it can be used to sort incoming mail. The .deliver file itself doesn't have to be a Bourne shell script; anything that has the effect of writing the user name or a file pathname to standard output would do. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 18:32:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26456; Fri, 27 May 94 18:32:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20859; Fri, 27 May 94 18:24:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20853; Fri, 27 May 94 18:24:29 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 18:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harter@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Harter) Subject: Unix keystrokes Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 00:28:58 GMT Has there been any thought to changing some of the keystrokes in Pine to make them conform with standard Unix applications? For example, "b" to display previous page rather than "-". -- Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 18:32:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26469; Fri, 27 May 94 18:32:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20851; Fri, 27 May 94 18:24:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20845; Fri, 27 May 94 18:24:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 18:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harter@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Harter) Subject: Re: =20 Message-Id: References: <2s5hfk$nm3@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 00:25:16 GMT Frank Young (tipcat@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : I use the PINE/PICO combination on UNIX for my mail. In about twenty : percent of the messages I send, either as originals or as replies, my : recipients get the three characters =20 at the end of each line [or at I can't help with it, but it happens to me too--but much more rarely--maybe one percent of the time. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 18:32:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26493; Fri, 27 May 94 18:32:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20867; Fri, 27 May 94 18:24:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20861; Fri, 27 May 94 18:24:33 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 18:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vunovick@netcom.com (Varda Ullman Novick) Subject: Address Book Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 00:57:39 GMT When in the Pine 3.89 Address Book mode, when creating a new "mailing list," is it possible to add the name of someone whose address already is in the Address Book (as an individual) by just typing their nickname? Or to add another group by typing its nickname? If so, would someone please tell me how? ;) -- Varda Ullman Novick vunovick@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 20:22:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27973; Fri, 27 May 94 20:22:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22642; Fri, 27 May 94 20:15:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from internal.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22636; Fri, 27 May 94 20:15:33 -0700 Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA28392; Sat, 28 May 94 11:15:35 +0800 Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 11:15:32 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 May 1994, David L Miller wrote: > On 27 May 1994, Suzan Zagar wrote: > > > I don't think so. I sometimes use NUPOP. If you request a return receipt, > > you actually receive two receipts. The first one tells you that it was > > delivered (this receipt comes back instantly). Then after the recipient > > has actually viewed the mail, you get a second receipt telling you the > > time that the message was read. I was looking for this feature in PINE. > > > > The problem is that there is no way to tell a priori what (if anything) you > will get back when the mail is delivered or read. Some MTAs will send a > delivery reciept. Some MUAs will send a read reciept. But in many cases you > will get _nothing_, no matter what you request :( Not to mention the fact that there is *no* standard for requesting a "read receipt". Therefore, even if your MUA supports such a feature it is very doubtful that a different MUA will recognize the request and respond. (BTW, there is no standard for requesting a delivery receipt either.) Ed Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 20:28:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28019; Fri, 27 May 94 20:28:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22708; Fri, 27 May 94 20:20:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lipschitz.sfasu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22702; Fri, 27 May 94 20:20:39 -0700 Received: by lipschitz.sfasu.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA06808; Fri, 27 May 94 22:20:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 22:20:17 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Subject: pgp2.6 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Any plans to use pgp now that it's legal? -- kc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 21:02:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28440; Fri, 27 May 94 21:02:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23251; Fri, 27 May 94 20:55:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23245; Fri, 27 May 94 20:55:31 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 20:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lenh@crl.com (Len Harrison) Subject: Re: Pine and ProComm + for windows Date: 27 May 1994 20:32:26 -0700 Message-Id: <2s6e0a$hud@crl.crl.com> References: <2s5te2$3e2@nigel.msen.com> User Unknown (galekwr@garnet.msen.com) wrote: : Is anyone familiar with capturing email messages from pine using procomm : plus for windows? I am able to capture everything else successfully but on : pine all I get is the first and last line of text...and blank space in : between. Any ideas? Or am i going about this in the wrong way? : Thanks : galekwr@mail.msen.com : Kurt Rosenkranz Why not just S)ave the mail you want to a folder/file? If you just want a screen at a shot, cut it to the clipboard and then paste it to a text editing app. You probably could write an aspect script to do this if you do it a lot. Procomm for Windows will not capture a Pine screen and if you check, you will see it doesn't appear in the scrollback buffer either. len harrison lenh@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 21:21:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28726; Fri, 27 May 94 21:21:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02687; Fri, 27 May 94 21:13:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02681; Fri, 27 May 94 21:13:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id XAA16998; Fri, 27 May 1994 23:19:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 23:19:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: pgp2.6 To: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 May 1994, J. Kelly Cunningham wrote: > > Any plans to use pgp now that it's legal? Sorry, you are wrong. It is only legal in a TINY percentage of the world, namely the US and Canada. Export restrictions limit the availability of PGP's use outside these two countries. In addition, RSAREF has a very anal license for using its algorithms. In addition, version 2.6 HAS NOT been independently tested, has a very dubion background, and may be designed with hooks for the fed. Until someone can analyze 2.6, it should not be accepted as secure as 2.3x, which, as I understand WAS designed outside the US and may therefore be legal regardless of what RSA says. You'll note that there have been no suits and nor federal action regarding PGP, just a lot of threats. There is some talk on the cypherpunks mailing list of someone outside North America releasing an International version that is compatible with the poorly designed 2.6, and yet will be legal worldwide. The last name I heard (and this is preliminary) is that it would be called PGP 2.6eu or some such. I'd recommend, at this time, that the PineLords wait until the dust settles on 2.6 and what other programs crop up before trying to integrate anything into pine. In the meantime, methods for digitally signing your messages have been posted, and they can be done without any modification to Pine. (NOTE: I am not a lawyer, and am most likely wrong) ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or Blue Earth County -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri May 27 22:34:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29308; Fri, 27 May 94 22:34:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24509; Fri, 27 May 94 22:25:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24503; Fri, 27 May 94 22:25:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Fri, 27 May 94 22:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bruce Lilly Subject: Strange dates (e.g. 1970) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 12:52:41 UT Somebody on the pine-info mailing list recently asked about the cause of strange dates on messages. Another person replied that he had built pine on a similar OS and had not had the problem. The problem is data-dependent, not OS-dependent. There's a multi-page macro in one of the c-client files that purports to parse rmail "From " lines. The macro author made some rather optimistic assumptions about the format of such lines. As a result, the macro can easily fail, resulting in the assignment of garbage to date fields, yielding a zero (0:00 UTC Jan. 1, 1970) date. I think the guilty file is bezerk.h, but's that's from memory (and I haven't looked at the source in many months), so it may be elsewhere. For example, if the From line has some quite legal but long fields, as in From a.moderately.long.domain.name.somewhere.org!user.name Fri May 13 12:34:56 1994 remote from another.moderately.long.domain.name.or.uucp.node.name the macro will fail miserably. See RFC976 for a detailed discussion of what might appear in a modern "From " line. One could extend the macro to handle longer fields correctly, but it would still be possible for the macro to fail on "From " lines with very long fields. If the macro is sufficiently extended to handle likely input without error, any pretense of efficiency of a macro (assuming that it would even be compiled correctly by most compilers) over a reasonably-coded function is just that--a pretense. Rewriting the macro as a function, taking care to parse correctly in the presence of long fields, will fix the problem. The calling sequence has to be revised as well; the simplest solution is probably to pass the addresses of the variables into which the parsed fields should be stored. -- Bruce Lilly, Product Manager, | Routers, Peripherals & Still Store,| uupsi!monymsys!sonyd1!bruce Sony, 3 Paragon Drive, Montvale, | lillyb@ccmail.nhq.sony.com NJ 07645-1735 | Telephone: +1 201 358 4161 | FAX: +1 201 358 4274 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 00:33:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00475; Sat, 28 May 94 00:33:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26095; Sat, 28 May 94 00:23:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26089; Sat, 28 May 94 00:22:59 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 00:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez023826@chip.ucdavis.edu ( !!Norm!!) Subject: [?] MIME-encoded attachments Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 06:55:11 GMT Hi, I just got a message today from a friend, the second part of which was a list encoded in MIME format. I looked at it briefly using pine, thinking that I would look at it again and print it out when I retrieved the message with Eudora. So I did, but now the 2nd part is in I assume MIME format and I can't read it! I thought maybe if I resent it to myself and then use Pine to read it everything would be fine, but NO! :( Now I'm stuck with a message in cryptic language...does anyone have suggestions on how to remedy it? Thanks in advance, Norman -- ___ _____ (o o) _____ ( ___ )-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO=-O-=OOo=( ___ ) | | Norman K. Yee | | | | UCD Varsity Lightweight Crew | | | | | | |___| nkyee@ucdavis.edu / yeen@cs.ucdavis.edu / lightwt155@aol.com |___| (_____)-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-(_____) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 01:46:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01894; Sat, 28 May 94 01:46:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27270; Sat, 28 May 94 01:38:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27264; Sat, 28 May 94 01:38:45 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 01:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: engp3079@leonis.nus.sg (Ong Patricia S. K.) Subject: Acknowledgements of mails Date: 28 May 1994 07:55:54 GMT Message-Id: <2s6tea$l64@nuscc.nus.sg> Hi Is there any way that I can send a mail to someone and know that he/she has received the mail and the time that he/she received the mail? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 03:54:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03437; Sat, 28 May 94 03:54:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29032; Sat, 28 May 94 03:46:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29024; Sat, 28 May 94 03:46:12 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 03:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) Subject: Re: Pine and ProComm + for windows Date: 28 May 1994 10:37:22 GMT Message-Id: <2s76t2$n5u@nigel.msen.com> References: <2s5te2$3e2@nigel.msen.com> Kurt Rosencranz (galekwr@garnet.msen.com) wrote: : Is anyone familiar with capturing email messages from pine using procomm : plus for windows? I am able to capture everything else successfully but on : pine all I get is the first and last line of text...and blank space in : between. Any ideas? Or am i going about this in the wrong way? There are a couple ways to "capture" email messages from pine (download them intact to a PC disk). The most straightforward to describe is to export the messages you want to save to files (the 'e' command) and then download the files. The more tricky to set up but perhaps easier to use setup is to reconfigure the printer setup so that it does a download instead. --Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 04:29:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04339; Sat, 28 May 94 04:29:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29726; Sat, 28 May 94 04:22:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29720; Sat, 28 May 94 04:22:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 04:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: email018@acs.ryerson.ca (E-mail account) Subject: changing default editor Date: 28 May 1994 09:39:08 GMT Message-Id: <2s73fs$n51@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Hi, Don't know if this applies directly to your case or not, but I used to have an account (normal one during the school semester) and the default editor was set to pico. What a friend did -and I hope I can remember this correctly- was to make a file called .kshrc with the line "export EDITOR=emacs" (without the quotes). After saving the file, he typed ". .kshrc" (again without the quotes) at the prompt, which I figure is one of the Unix commands. After that, everytime I logged into my account the editor would be emacs automatically. Maybe you could try substituting emacs for vi. Hope this is of some help. Cheers! :-) ..me From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 05:00:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04651; Sat, 28 May 94 05:00:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00225; Sat, 28 May 94 04:55:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00219; Sat, 28 May 94 04:55:08 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 04:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sommer@iia.org (M. Sommerfeld) Subject: Read-mail, where does it go? Date: 27 May 1994 23:35:37 GMT Message-Id: <2s6049$kqr@ankh.iia.org> References: <2s55ai$1el@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> I would like to remove messages from my INBOX and save them in my read-mail folder, but i don't have such a thing. I am computer illiterate. Is there an easy way in which i can build that folder, so that i don't have to keep a huge INBOX or delete messages? Thanks Sommer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 09:04:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06702; Sat, 28 May 94 09:04:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03252; Sat, 28 May 94 08:49:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03246; Sat, 28 May 94 08:49:48 -0700 Received: from peacock.uwaterloo.ca by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 28 May 94 11:49:42 -0400 Received: by peacock (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @watserv1.uwaterloo.ca:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA02335; Sat, 28 May 94 11:49:38 -0400 From: "Sunjay T. Bedi" Message-Id: <9405281149.ZM2333@peacock.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 11:49:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: korthuiv@ucs.orst.edu ( ) "Help" (May 26, 4:28pm) References: <2s2imv$nkd@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 On May 26, 4:28pm, korthuiv@ucs.orst.edu ( ) wrote: > Subject: Help > Hi > I would like to know if there is a version of PINE for IRIX workstations > and if it exists, where can I ftp it from? Yes there is and Archie says you can get it from: Host bode.ee.ualberta.ca Location: /pub/OS/Linux/Slackware_Source/n DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Feb 16 12:53 pine Host bongo.cc.utexas.edu Location: /source/mail/pine-3.89 DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 2560 Apr 7 21:11 pine Host emx.cc.utexas.edu Location: /pub/mnt/source/mail/pine-3.89 DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 2560 Apr 7 20:11 pine Host gatekeeper.dec.com Location: /.8/mail/ua DIRECTORY dr-xrwxr-x 3072 Apr 26 06:53 pine Host grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr Location: /pub/nfs-mounted/ftp.univ-lyon1.fr/unix/mail/user DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Mar 24 16:30 pine Host luga.latrobe.edu.au Location: /pub/network DIRECTORY dr-xr-xr-x 512 Dec 9 19:05 pine Host mcsun.eu.net Location: /mail DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 512 Mar 3 11:22 pine Host mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Location: /pub/linux/distributions/slackware_source/n DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 1024 Mar 3 05:14 pine Host ns.urec.fr Location: /pub/reseaux/messagerie DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 1536 Apr 26 03:01 pine Host nz20.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Location: /pub/linux/mirror.slackware_source/n DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 1024 Jan 31 03:03 pine Host osceola.cs.ucf.edu Location: /pub/gopher/Local-Software/Mail_Utilities FILE -rw-r--r-- 619 Feb 8 17:33 pine Host osl.csc.ncsu.edu Location: /pub DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Mar 17 11:49 pine Host pith.uoregon.edu Location: /pub/Solaris2.x/bin FILE -rwxr-xr-x 2164488 Dec 8 16:46 pine Location: /pub/Sun4/bin FILE -rwxr-xr-x 2244608 Dec 8 13:28 pine Host swdsrv.edvz.univie.ac.at Location: /network/mail DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 3072 Apr 28 03:49 pine Host ucselx.sdsu.edu Location: /pub/mac DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Mar 20 1993 pine Host ugle.unit.no Location: /pub/msdos/network DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x 512 Dec 19 01:02 pine Host world.std.com Location: /src/mail/pine3.89/bin FILE -rwxrwxr-x 876544 Jan 4 19:29 pine Location: /src/mail/pine3.89 DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 2560 Feb 11 23:29 pine Location: /src/mail/pine3.89/pine FILE -rwxrwxr-x 876544 Jan 4 19:29 pine > Thank you. >-- End of excerpt from korthuiv@ucs.orst.edu ( ) Has anyone compiled pine on IRIX 5.2 ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 09:09:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06808; Sat, 28 May 94 09:09:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03349; Sat, 28 May 94 08:56:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03343; Sat, 28 May 94 08:56:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 08:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edb@ten-fwd.airpcs.com (Earl Baker) Subject: Bounce command Date: 28 May 1994 15:25:37 GMT Message-Id: <2s7nph$jsv@news.cerf.net> I've managed to set up my .pinerc file and get the software to do what I want it to, but the bounce command doesn't work. I have an enable bounce command in the file. Is there some trick to it? Any help on this is appreciated. -- edb@airpcs.com (formerly edb@teltechlabs.com) sss k k y y w w eee a sss eee l a.k.a. ss kk yy www ee aaa ss ee l skyweasel@airpcs.com sss k k y w w eee a a sss eee llll From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 09:45:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07099; Sat, 28 May 94 09:45:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03811; Sat, 28 May 94 09:29:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03803; Sat, 28 May 94 09:28:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 09:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eratosth!calfeld@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Chris Alfeld) Subject: Pine_Intermediate Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 14:33:56 GMT Message-Id: <1994May28.143356.28764@math.utah.edu> And here is a guide for a few of the features of pine. If you would like to subscribe to my mailing list and receive new guides and updates send mail to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu. This guide teaches Folder Management and Attachments for pine. Although the version used here is 3.89 there should be few differences for version close to 3.89. Contents: Section 1 - Folder Management What is a folder? The INBOX Creating a folder. Deleting a folder. Renaming a folder. Shell manipulation of folders. Saving to folders. Section 2 - Attachments What is an attachment? The Attchmnt: field. Control-J Viewing/Saving attachments. Compatibility with other mail readers. Section 1 What is a folder? A folder is a file stored in your mail directory (Typically ~/mail) in which you can store messages you wish to save. You can have as many folders as you wish as long is they do not fill up your disk space. Pine creates some folders by itself: sent-mail : this is a folder where the mail you send is saved by default (see Fcc: in advanced pine). saved-messages : this is the default folder for you to save messages to. sent-mail-- : every month pine asks you if you wish to copy your sent-mail folder to a folder called sent-mail--. This is to better organize the mail you send. The INBOX The INBOX is a special folder that is not in your ~/mail directory. The INBOX is the file that the mail spooler appends incoming mail to. It is normally /var/spool/mail/. Creating a folder. There are two major ways to create a folder. The first way is to go to the folder list (L) and type 'A'. You are then asked for a name of a folder and that folder is added. The second way is to enter the name of a non-existing folder when it asks you where you wish to save the message when you do a save-message command. It will then ask you if you want to create the folder and merely by pressing 'y' you can cause the new folder to be created. Deleting a folder. To delete a folder go to the folder list (L), select the folder you wish to delete, and type 'D'. Renaming a folder. To rename a folder go to the folder list (L), select the folder you wish to rename and type 'R'. It will then ask you for a new name for the folder. Shell manipulation of folders. Folders are only text files and as such can be manipulated by the shell. Here are some common operations and how to do them with the shell: delete folder : rm -f ~/mail/ create folder : echo ""> ~/mail/ rename folder : mv ~/mail/ ~/mail/ merge folders : cat ~/mail/ ~/mail/ (etc) > ~/mail/ These can be done from anywhere. By changing to the directory ~/mail you can skip the ~/mail/ section of the above commands. Saving to folders. While reading a message you can type 'S' to save the current message to a folder. You can also do this at the folder index screen. When you type 'S' it asks you what folder you wish to save the message to and provides a default (normally saved-messages). Here you can either enter a name of a folder that exists and it will save the message to that folder and delete it from the current folder (remember the INBOX is a folder). You can also type in the name of a non-existent folder and it will offer to create that folder for you. It is also posable to type Control-T and use the arrow keys to pick a folder to save it to. Section 2 What is an attachment? An attachment is a file or set of files that are added to the letter in such a way that pine does not show there contents. This is useful if you are sending a file that makes no sense normally: M% ")'2 @J\4 +^/& "])P@ X , >/^])RP OZ^( *2O"@ $) < !20\ M. ( ) ""[,] Ex: 1. /u/vi/calfeld/doc/guides/pine_intermediate (1 K) "Guide to pine" However pine has a feature that makes this unnecessary. It is the control-J command and is described next. Control-J By pressing Control-J while in the header have the option of adding an attachment. When you type Control-J it will ask you for the path of the file to attach. If you desire you can type Control-T and use a file interface to choose a file. After you have chosen a file to attach it will ask you for a comment. You can just press return if here if you do not wish to include a comment. After the comment is entered the line will appear in your Attchmnt: field. Viewing/Saving attachments. When you receive a letter that contains attachments you will see at some point near the beginning of the letter something like this: [Part 2, "Comment" Text 20 lines] [Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part] and in the header: Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 3 lines Text 2 OK 20 lines Text, "Comment" -------------------------------------- To view an attachment use the 'v' command. This will ask you wish attachment you wish to view or save. #1 is the message itself. Choose which one you wish to process and type its number. It will now ask you if you wish to view the attachment (v) or save it (s). If you choose save it will prompt you for a file to save the attachment as. If you choose view it will open the Viewer which allows you to view, save, search, and print the attachment. -- -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 09:46:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07128; Sat, 28 May 94 09:46:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03852; Sat, 28 May 94 09:30:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03846; Sat, 28 May 94 09:30:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 09:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ZAIDI F Subject: Date: 28 MAY 94 13:01:59 AST Message-Id: <28MAY94.14075928.0054@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Hello When I use pine from my dial in modem, it acts a little weird. For example the ^C doesn't work and various other control sequence commands. Enough of them do work that I can send mail but it takes twice as long as it would say I was at the university. I use the vt100 emulation. I use the Unix verstion btw. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Fozia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 09:46:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07135; Sat, 28 May 94 09:46:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03821; Sat, 28 May 94 09:29:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03815; Sat, 28 May 94 09:29:03 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 09:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eratosth!calfeld@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Chris Alfeld) Subject: Pine_Tutorial Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 14:32:50 GMT Message-Id: <1994May28.143250.28645@math.utah.edu> Here is a tutorial to pine I wrote a while back: This is a step-by-step tutorial for beginners in pine. This does not cover many advanced or uncommon features or configuration. I am currently writing "Intermediate Pine", "Advanced Pine", and "Configuring Pine". Please send all comments, requests for guides, or requests to get on my mailing list to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu This tutorial is based on version 3.89 with default set-up. Part 1-Composing a message: 1)type 'pine' at your prompt to load pine. If you have a non-shell interface do whatever is necessary to launch pine. 2)You are now at the main menu: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 MAIN MENU Folder: INBOX 0 Messages ? HELP - Get help using Pine C COMPOSE MESSAGE - Compose and send a message I FOLDER INDEX - View messages in current folder L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder to view A ADDRESS BOOK - Update address book S SETUP - Configure or update Pine Q QUIT - Exit the Pine program Copyright 1989-1993. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington. ? Help P PrevCmd R RelNotes O OTHER CMDS L [ListFldrs] N NextCmd K KBLock ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type 'c' to enter the composition screen. 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 COMPOSE MESSAGE Folder: INBOX 0 Messages To : Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : ----- Message Text ----- ^G Get Help ^C Cancel ^R Rich Hdr ^K Del Line ^O Postpone ^X Send ^D Del Char ^J Attach ^U UnDel Line^T To AddrBk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "To:" field is who you want to send the message to. For this tutorial put your own login name in. You will be sending a message to your self. To : calfeld Pine should expand this to your full name (this is only done for people who are on the same system as you are.) To : Chris Alfeld 4) Leave the Cc: field blank. If you were to put a address in here a copy of your letter would be sent to that address. 5) Leave Attchmnt: field blank as well. This is used to attach files to a letter. 6) Enter a subject for your letter. When you receive mail the mail will be listed with only the subject shown, you can then choose which letter you wish to read completely. To : Chris Alfeld Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : Tutorial Letter 7) Now enter you message. (Pine uses the editor pico by default. I have not included instructions on pico here but may in another paper) ----- Message Text ----- This is a test letter for the pine tutorial. 8) Type ^T to check the spelling of your message. 9) Type ^X to send the message. Answer 'y' or just press return to: Send message? [y] : 10) You should now be back at the main menu. If you get a message that messes up your screen don't worry; just type ^L and all will be fine again. Now proceed to part 2. Part 2-Reading a message. 1) Get to the main menu of pine. If you are already here from part 1 quit by typing 'Q' and relaunch pine. 2) Type 'I' to enter the folder index: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 FOLDER INDEX Folder: INBOX Message 1 of 1 NEW + N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter [Folder "INBOX" opened with 1 message] ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg] N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will see the line: + N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter A B C D E F A: A plus represents that this letter is unread. B: N represent that this is a new letter. C: This is the date it was sent. D: This is who the letter is for. E: This is how many characters are in the letter. F: This is the subject of the letter. 3) Use the arrow keys or 'P' and 'N' until the correct line is highlighted and press return. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 MESSAGE TEXT Folder: INBOX Message 1 of 2 100% Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:03:26 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Alfeld To: Chris Alfeld Subject: Tutorial Letter This is a test letter for the pine tutorial. ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V ViewAttch N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward 4) You may now do many things with this letter. You can delete (D) it if you have no more interest in it. You can save it (S) if you would like to keep it. You can export (E) it to a file. You can reply (R) to it. You can forward (F) it to another person. Or you can leave it in your inbox wasting precious disk space and forcing the computer to tell you that you have mail every time you log in. Two notes on replying. On almost ALL posabilities you want to answer 'n' to a question of "Reply to all receipents?". The "Include original message in Reply?" question if answered yes will copy the contents of the current letter to the letter you will be sending in return. For this tutorial we will delete the message with the "D" command. Last note: It is not a good idea to leave mail in the inbox. Either delete it with 'D' or save it with 'S'. It will ask you at some point if you wish to expunge deleted messages. Answer 'y'. Part 3-Adding an address to the address book. 1)Launch pine. 2)At the main menu press 'a'. 3)Press 'a' to add a address. 4) New full name (last, first) : Enter the last name and first name of the person that owns the address. This is for your reference only. New full name (last, first) : Alfeld, Chris 5) Enter new nickname (one word and easy to remember) : This is what you will type into the "To:" field to send a message to the address you are entering. Enter new nickname (one word and easy to remember) : chris 6) Enter new e-mail address : Enter the e-mail address. Enter new e-mail address : calfeld@east.east-slc.edu 7) If you did the one above you can now enter 'chris' into the 'To: ' field of any message and it will send the message to me. 8)If you wish to delete an entry: select the entry with the arrow keys or 'n' and 'p' and press 'd'. If you wish to edit the entry either select it and press 'e' or you the arrow keys to select the part you wish to edit and press ' return'. Part 4-Viewing old mail. 1)Enter pines main menu. 2)Press 'L' to enter the folder list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 FOLDER LIST Folder: INBOX 0 Messages INBOX sent-mail saved-messages ? Help M Main Menu P PrevFldr - PrevPage D Delete R Rename O OTHER CMDS V [ViewFldr] N NextFldr Spc NextPage A Add ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3)Select the folder you wish to view and press return. INBOX is the folder where new mail is. sent-mail is where the messages you send are kept. saved-messages is where messages you saved are kept. 3)You can now process the messages here just like those in the inbox. -- -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 10:09:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07338; Sat, 28 May 94 10:09:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04259; Sat, 28 May 94 09:56:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04253; Sat, 28 May 94 09:56:43 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15191; Sat, 28 May 94 09:56:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 09:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Earl Baker Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Bounce command In-Reply-To: <2s7nph$jsv@news.cerf.net> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 May 1994, Earl Baker wrote: > I've managed to set up my .pinerc file and get the software to > do what I want it to, but the bounce command doesn't work. > I have an enable bounce command in the file. Is there some > trick to it? Any help on this is appreciated. The trick is that you need to wait for 3.90... When you try it, you should see a "Not Implmented Yet" message. Unfortunately, there are several of those in 3.89, but they will all be gone in 3.90 -teg p.s. for those of you who are wondering when and what's in 3.90, we'll try to post a summary in the next week or so. It's progressing reasonably well... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 10:53:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07727; Sat, 28 May 94 10:53:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04933; Sat, 28 May 94 10:43:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04927; Sat, 28 May 94 10:43:57 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 10:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hahn@panix.com (Robert Hahn) Subject: Stupid Question... Date: 28 May 1994 13:36:36 -0400 Message-Id: <2s7vf4$ohe@panix.com> I know this is a dumb question, but it's driving me kinda nuts. In the "Index", what does those "+" before a message mean? I tried looking in the on-line help -- probably not carefully enough. BUt I'm getting really curious. Thanks! -rsh -- ` Robert S. Hahn hahn@panix.com --- | "A mountain is a mountain, (212)666-5850:Phone O |- and water is water." |____ - A koan of Korean Zen master Sung-chul From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 11:04:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07869; Sat, 28 May 94 11:04:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05130; Sat, 28 May 94 10:56:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05124; Sat, 28 May 94 10:55:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 10:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Subject: Re: Eudora and Pine Date: 28 May 1994 17:39:51 GMT Message-Id: <2s7vl7$fp7@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1994May27.044512.16214@newstand.syr.edu> I've just downloaded pine mailboxes to my mac and run eudora and it automatically creates the appropriate index file for it and they read just fine. Try it out, certainly NO risk involved. I know this doesn't directly answer your ? but it might help with what you want to do. Gary -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/gary.html FOR COMPUTER ILLITERATES ONLY There's now a service for executives who receive e-mail but can't deal with computers. A New Jersey-based telephone company automatically faxes e-mail messages to subscribers, allowing them to read their mail "the old-fashioned way -- on paper." (St. Petersburg Times 5/8/94 H8) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 11:22:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08087; Sat, 28 May 94 11:22:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05480; Sat, 28 May 94 11:14:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05474; Sat, 28 May 94 11:14:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 11:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iskandar@u.washington.edu (Alexandre Khalil) Subject: Re: Date: 28 May 1994 17:52:01 GMT Message-Id: <2s80c1$75u@news.u.washington.edu> References: <28MAY94.14075928.0054@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca> In article <28MAY94.14075928.0054@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca>, ZAIDI F wrote: >Hello > >When I use pine from my dial in modem, it acts a little weird. >For example the ^C doesn't work and various other control sequence >commands. Enough of them do work that I can send >mail but it takes twice as long as it would say I was at the >university. > >I use the vt100 emulation. Try another termnal emulator, if only to make sure that there lies your problem. Kermit is a free terminal emulator that has a good VT100. >I use the Unix verstion btw. alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 11:23:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08135; Sat, 28 May 94 11:23:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05488; Sat, 28 May 94 11:14:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05482; Sat, 28 May 94 11:14:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 11:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gelato@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu (Sergio Gelato) Subject: Re: =20 Date: 28 May 1994 18:03:29 GMT Message-Id: <2s811hINN2s6@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> References: <2s5hfk$nm3@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> In article <2s5hfk$nm3@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> tipcat@wam.umd.edu (Frank Young) writes: >I use the PINE/PICO combination on UNIX for my mail. In about twenty >percent of the messages I send, either as originals or as replies, my >recipients get the three characters =20 at the end of each line [or at >the beginning of the line beneath]. I notice that if a line does not go >into word wrap -- i.e., does not extend to the right-hand margin -- the >=20 does not appear. The actual rule is a little different. In messages that are encoded quoted-printable, =20 appears whenever a line would otherwise end in a space character. This is explicitly required by the specification for quoted-printable encoding, and has to do with some mail gateways stripping spaces at the end of lines. A quoted-printable encoder may at its discretion encode all other spaces as =20 as well, although one would not expect a typical implementation to do so. The only way to guarantee that quoted-printable encoding will not be used is to stick to only the US ASCII character set, and to make sure that no line of the message body exceeds 76 characters in length. The only way that I know of within pine, that is; other, non-MIME-aware mailers will not convert spaces to =20 under any circumstances. Question to the developers: Will a means to force the use of a particular encoding for a given message or message part be made available in a future release of pine? -- Sergio Gelato gelato@cornell.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 11:33:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08233; Sat, 28 May 94 11:33:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05667; Sat, 28 May 94 11:25:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05661; Sat, 28 May 94 11:25:53 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 11:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shock@wam.umd.edu (Floyd) Subject: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? Date: 28 May 1994 18:18:55 GMT Message-Id: <2s81uf$f5e@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Can incoming mail be automaticlly sorted to a specific folder based upon who it is from? Thank you -Giles shock@wam.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 11:54:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08458; Sat, 28 May 94 11:54:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06066; Sat, 28 May 94 11:47:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06060; Sat, 28 May 94 11:47:54 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 11:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jar41610@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jen Roth) Subject: suppress seeing To: headers? Date: 28 May 1994 18:34:59 GMT Message-Id: <2s82sj$t0j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Is there a way that I can tell pine not to show me the To: headers on incoming mail? I know elm will do it; is there anything analogous to 'weedout' for pine? Thanks in advance, Jen Roth jar41610@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 12:11:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08714; Sat, 28 May 94 12:11:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AB06343; Sat, 28 May 94 12:04:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06337; Sat, 28 May 94 12:04:02 -0700 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA07467 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 28 May 1994 15:04:00 -0400 Received: by rac2.wam.umd.edu id AA16043 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Sat, 28 May 1994 15:03:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 15:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Subject: Re: To: Alexandre Khalil Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s80c1$75u@news.u.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 May 1994, Alexandre Khalil wrote: > In article <28MAY94.14075928.0054@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca>, > ZAIDI F wrote: > >Hello > > > >When I use pine from my dial in modem, it acts a little weird. > >For example the ^C doesn't work and various other control sequence > >commands. Enough of them do work that I can send > >mail but it takes twice as long as it would say I was at the > >university. > > > >I use the vt100 emulation. > > Try another termnal emulator, if only to make sure that there lies your > problem. > Kermit is a free terminal emulator that has a good VT100. > > >I use the Unix verstion btw. I also found that certain communication program have overridden the control sequence such that it activates the comm program's built-in features... also with some MACintoshes, the MACintosh terminals remap the 'keys' ... so you might want to look into that... basically, check for keymappings and key functions. > > alex > John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 12:24:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08794; Sat, 28 May 94 12:24:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06575; Sat, 28 May 94 12:17:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06569; Sat, 28 May 94 12:17:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 12:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kgb@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Karl Glazebrook) Subject: some comments about pine Date: 28 May 1994 19:02:01 GMT Message-Id: <2s84f9$34q@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Why is pine so bad in handling mail messages without the From: or Date: headers? Normal ucb mail seems to work fine with these - can't pine do a similar job of extracting the date/sender from what's left? I guess someone is going to say this is symptomatic of mixing ucbmail and pine - well I like to use ucbmail occasionally over slow remote links. I think pine should peacefully coexist with other mailers... And another thing - why does it append a full ip name (in my case @mail.ast.cam.ac.uk) if the mail message is never leaving the local system? Karl [sick of xxx -1 :-) ] --- Karl Glazebrook, email: kgb@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Institute of Astronomy, finger: kgb@jhereg.ast.cam.ac.uk Cambridge, U.K. WWW: http://cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk/~kgb/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 12:58:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09101; Sat, 28 May 94 12:58:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07122; Sat, 28 May 94 12:51:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07116; Sat, 28 May 94 12:51:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 12:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jraphael@netcom.com (John Raphael) Subject: Re: Stupid Question... Message-Id: References: <2s7vf4$ohe@panix.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 19:15:34 GMT Robert Hahn (hahn@panix.com) wrote: : I know this is a dumb question, but it's driving me kinda nuts. : In the "Index", what does those "+" before a message mean? I tried looking : in the on-line help -- probably not carefully enough. BUt I'm getting : really curious. + means the message is addressed directly to your address (To: ) no '+' means its addressed to a group (e.g. a mailing list) or otherwise does not specifically call out your address in the To: headers of the message. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 12:59:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09125; Sat, 28 May 94 12:59:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07115; Sat, 28 May 94 12:51:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07108; Sat, 28 May 94 12:51:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 12:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jraphael@netcom.com (John Raphael) Subject: Re: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? Message-Id: References: <2s81uf$f5e@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 19:11:04 GMT Floyd (shock@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : Can incoming mail be automaticlly sorted to a specific folder : based upon who it is from? : Thank you : -Giles : shock@wam.umd.edu Yes, in Pine 3.89. (Not sure about earlier versions). See the preferences section of the .pinerc file in your home directory for the save message options. You will want to edit it for the desired option. You can use Pico to edit the file. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 12:59:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09139; Sat, 28 May 94 12:59:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15512; Sat, 28 May 94 12:51:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ftp.std.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15506; Sat, 28 May 94 12:51:37 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by ftp.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA15058; Sat, 28 May 1994 15:51:36 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17650; Sat, 28 May 1994 15:48:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 15:48:46 -0400 From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Message-Id: <199405281948.AA17650@world.std.com> To: stbedi2@peacock.uwaterloo.ca Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9405281149.ZM2333@peacock.uwaterloo.ca> (stbedi2@peacock.uwaterloo.ca) Subject: Re: Help >Has anyone compiled pine on IRIX 5.2 ? I have, just the other day, haven't tested it extensively yet tho it seems to just work. Testing locking etc is a bit more difficult so I haven't done that yet. -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 13:27:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09484; Sat, 28 May 94 13:27:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07637; Sat, 28 May 94 13:20:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07631; Sat, 28 May 94 13:20:12 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 13:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbartlet@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (John W. Bartlett) Subject: Re: Reply and Signature Placement Date: 28 May 1994 19:36:15 GMT Message-Id: <2s86ff$lfp@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <1994May27.161839.27960@sol.UVic.CA> Thomas Fletcher (tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA) wrote: : Hello all, : Allright, I will admit it I love Pine. However despite this new : devotion to the mail/editor package I have one small pet peeve. : I would like that when I reply to a message and choose to include : the old message in the reply it ends up below my signature file. : I would like to change this so that the signature is the last : thing to come up. Right now I manually delete it and then import : it at the end. This is not a solution ... just a way to avoid : the problem. : Anyone able to help me out on this one? : Thanks in Advance : Thomas Fletcher : tfletche@engr.uvic.ca : or tfletche@malahat.library.uvic.ca -- I would suggest not using a .sig file. Save your signature from your text editor with some appropriate name (I use two signatures, one for local and known destinations that includes information on my place of work and a second with just my name and general location - as I use here - for more general and widespread postings). You could also have a separate signature for the more serious postings that would dispense with the less serious parts of a signature. I call my files SIG1 and SIG2 (lacking imagination). Do a R to read the appropriate file where ever you want it. Let me know if this helps. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John Bartlett St. John's, Nf Canada jbartlet@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 13:36:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09709; Sat, 28 May 94 13:36:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07813; Sat, 28 May 94 13:29:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07806; Sat, 28 May 94 13:29:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 13:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbartlet@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (John W. Bartlett) Subject: Re: Read-mail, where does it go? Date: 28 May 1994 19:51:48 GMT Message-Id: <2s87ck$lfp@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <2s55ai$1el@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> <2s6049$kqr@ankh.iia.org> M. Sommerfeld (sommer@iia.org) wrote: : I would like to remove messages from my INBOX and save them in my : read-mail folder, but i don't have such a thing. I am computer : illiterate. Is there an easy way in which i can build that folder, so : that i don't have to keep a huge INBOX or delete messages? : Thanks : Sommer -- >From your index, with the cursor on the E-mail in question, select S to save your message. When the system responds with the request for the name of the folder to which you wish to save it, give the name you wish (you can call ir READ or whatever - I have a number of folders set up for various types of messages). If this is the first time you have tried to save a message, you will get a message to the effect that this folder does not exist and asking if you wish to create it. Respond Y. On any subsequent savings to that folder, the system will not ask this. If you go back to the main menu (M) and select F for folders, you will get a listing of any that are automatically on the system and any you have created. Good luck! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John Bartlett St. John's, Nf Canada jbartlet@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 14:12:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10129; Sat, 28 May 94 14:12:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08486; Sat, 28 May 94 14:04:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08480; Sat, 28 May 94 14:04:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 13:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pogo@tyrell.net (DragonSlayer) Subject: Auto-Reply Message-Id: <1994May28.151451.9724@tyrell.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 15:14:51 GMT Does Pine support auto reply? What I want to do is automatically send out pre-arranged material if a message comes in with a particular key word in the subject line or message body. I believe there is something that works this way out there, but I'm not smart enough to find it :). Any help would be appreciated. TIA --DS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 14:12:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10163; Sat, 28 May 94 14:12:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08478; Sat, 28 May 94 14:04:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08472; Sat, 28 May 94 14:04:53 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 13:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccq@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Campbel Quaintance) Subject: Printing Problems Date: 28 May 1994 20:45:04 GMT Message-Id: <2s8agg$gi5@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Hi all- I was wonering if someone could help me out with printing problems. At this point, I cannot print from Pine. I tried using "attached-to-ansi" and that did not work. I figured out that I need to use the "mpr" command to print because that worked from my UNIX shell to print a document. But, I tried editing the printing command (option 3? from the printing configuration menu) and it would not print. It froze. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Chris PS: I am printing from a mac to a networked HP LaserJet IIIP, I think. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 14:22:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10234; Sat, 28 May 94 14:22:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08658; Sat, 28 May 94 14:15:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08652; Sat, 28 May 94 14:15:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 14:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jglassco@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (john glasscock) Subject: avoid term= prompt Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 21:00:48 GMT I want to avoid having to answer the query about TERM = (vt100) each time I login. What command do I use to get to avoid this annoying question? What other neat things might I add to my .login and .pinerc files? We are using PINE 3.09 currently on dedicated mailservers. Below is my login file. ----begin login file---- #!/bin/csh set path=(/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/bin .) umask 077 mesg y stty -tabs eof ^D kill ^U erase ^\? intr ^C quit ^O stop ^S susp ^Z dsusp ^Y stty hupcl ixon ixoff tostop source /usr/local/lib/do_tset if ( -f .firstlogin ) then rm -f .firstlogin if ( -f /usr/local/lib/ezmail/ezmail.info ) then more /usr/local/lib/ezmail/ezmail.info echo "\nHit or to continue\c" read endif endif setenv EDITOR emacs date echo "Entering the Pine mail program." pine -f inbox -i echo "You will now be logged out of EZMail." clear logout ---end .login file---- Any help will be appreciated. Thanks! -- John Glasscock jglassco@ucs.indiana.edu 100 N. Jefferson tel: 812-336-0246 Bloomington, IN 47408 Indiana University USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 14:23:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10259; Sat, 28 May 94 14:23:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08650; Sat, 28 May 94 14:15:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08644; Sat, 28 May 94 14:15:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 14:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ockers@pluto.csudh.edu (Jim Ockers) Subject: Shell? + questions & suggestions Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 20:17:58 GMT Message-Id: <1994May28.201758.19643@umr.edu> 1) How does one run a shell command or spawn a shell in pico or pine? It seems that if it is possible to do either of these, the functions must be undocumented to date. On many occasions I have needed to run a shell from within pico and have been very frustrated at not being able to. The same would be true of pine if I were to use it on a regular basis, which I am thinking about doing. 2) Does the mime-encoding and decoding support uuencoding? The tech notes indicate that what pine does is similar to uuencoding, for attaching binary files. However, it doesn't say whether or not it actually will uudecode or uuencode something. 3) I tried out the nntp access using PC-PINE. I am using PC-PINE 3.87. Is it possible to post messages to usenet using C(ompose) in the pine folder-reader? Also, how do I get pine to recognize my kill file, so that I don't have to read through the garbage that I've already marked for weeding out? 4) No one on campus is running an IMAP server yet, so I don't know how this would work. My PC has no user authentication or login, so it cannot transmit userid or password information to a remote server. When pine attemtps to establish the IMAP connection, to read the NFS-mounted user/spool/mail/$user mail file, will it ask for my userid and password on the {remote-host}? 5) Finally, if I leave the configuration setting so that the inbox is called INBOX, as is the default, will pine know to go to the /user/spool/mail/$user file for my mail and not to someplace like $home/INBOX ? Thanks in advance for the info. -- Jim ====================================================================== There are few foods which can't be improved by a suitable application of barbecue sauce. ====================================================================== Click here for my home page From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 15:03:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10536; Sat, 28 May 94 15:03:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09190; Sat, 28 May 94 14:56:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09184; Sat, 28 May 94 14:56:39 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 14:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mlindsey@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Mark R. Lindsey) Subject: terminal-based imapd planned? Date: 28 May 1994 15:35:37 -0600 Message-Id: <2s8df9$1vr@nyx10.cs.du.edu> I'd like to see the imap protocol support evolve into something that would allow us dial-in'ers to start the stdin/stdout imap server on our terminal over the remote line, then have our local unix box or PC-Pine utilize the imap protocol over the phone line, instead of limiting it to a tcp connection (as the only means of using it). I think such would fly quickly, esp. in the linux world. Well, it would be great for anyone in the dialup situation who doesn't have SLIP or some equivalent. In the interim, is there a way for a user to attach the imapd to a user-able port? This would accomplish the same purpose, but for a smaller usership. - Mark -- Mark R. Lindsey [][] South Georgia Digital Research Institute mlindsey@nyx10.cs.du.edu [][] URL: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~mlindsey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 15:33:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10826; Sat, 28 May 94 15:33:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09585; Sat, 28 May 94 15:25:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09579; Sat, 28 May 94 15:25:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 15:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scottt@storm.cs.orst.edu (Scott Tzibra Leah) Subject: Re: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? Date: 28 May 1994 22:02:52 GMT Message-Id: <2s8f2cINN54f@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> References: <2s81uf$f5e@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> In article , John Raphael wrote: >Floyd (shock@wam.umd.edu) wrote: >: Can incoming mail be automaticlly sorted to a specific folder >: based upon who it is from? >Yes, in Pine 3.89. (Not sure about earlier versions). > >See the preferences section of the .pinerc file in your home directory >for the save message options. You will want to edit it for the desired >option. You can use Pico to edit the file. OK. Now I am confused. Here I've been told Pine can not sort mail and that you need to use filter (or deliever) or some other programs I either do not have on this system, or do not understand. Now, someone says, "Yep. You can." So...my question now becomes, "How do you edit the .pinerc file." Thank you From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 15:51:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11031; Sat, 28 May 94 15:51:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09870; Sat, 28 May 94 15:44:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09864; Sat, 28 May 94 15:44:34 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 15:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bc@inca.gate.net (Bob Curtis) Subject: Re: Read-mail, where does it go? Date: 28 May 1994 18:22:43 -0400 Message-Id: References: <2s55ai$1el@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> <2s6049$kqr@ankh.iia.org> sommer@iia.org (M. Sommerfeld) writes: >I would like to remove messages from my INBOX and save them in my >read-mail folder, but i don't have such a thing. I am computer >illiterate. Is there an easy way in which i can build that folder, so >that i don't have to keep a huge INBOX or delete messages? try hitting the "s" key. that'll move your mail to the "save" folder From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 15:51:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11056; Sat, 28 May 94 15:51:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09878; Sat, 28 May 94 15:44:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09872; Sat, 28 May 94 15:44:37 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 15:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sorabji@panix.com (Mark Thomas) Subject: Re: Read-mail, where does it go? Date: 28 May 1994 18:34:34 -0400 Message-Id: <2s8gtq$rdf@panix2.panix.com> References: <2s55ai$1el@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> <2s6049$kqr@ankh.iia.org> M. Sommerfeld (sommer@iia.org) wrote: : I would like to remove messages from my INBOX and save them in my : read-mail folder, but i don't have such a thing. I am computer : illiterate. Is there an easy way in which i can build that folder, so : that i don't have to keep a huge INBOX or delete messages? I've never had any problem with typing "s" which prompts "save message to folder [saved-messages]?" it automatically created the folder [saved-messages], too. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 15:59:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11105; Sat, 28 May 94 15:59:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09987; Sat, 28 May 94 15:53:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09981; Sat, 28 May 94 15:53:06 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 15:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown) Subject: A Windows version? Message-Id: <1994May28.222214.9622@blaze.trentu.ca> References: Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 22:22:14 GMT In article , David L Miller wrote: [snip...] >PC-Pine can invoke image viewers, but some viewers do not cooperate well with >PC-Pine. The Windows version of Pine should ease this restriction somewhat. Is there an expected release date for the Windows version? This would add very nicely to the client selection for our Windows users. So far, in my look at IMAP clients for various platforms, pine appears the most stable and consistent. Hummm...a Macintosh version? Thanks again to the Pine Team. -- Ken Brown internet: kbrown@trentu.ca Trent University Computing & Telecommunications tel: (705)748-1540 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8 fax: (705)748-1635 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 16:54:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11504; Sat, 28 May 94 16:54:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18563; Sat, 28 May 94 16:47:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from tasman.cc.utas.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18557; Sat, 28 May 94 16:47:28 -0700 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA18635; Sun, 29 May 1994 09:47:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 09:39:30 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: some comments about pine To: Karl Glazebrook Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s84f9$34q@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 May 1994, Karl Glazebrook wrote: > And another thing - why does it append a full ip name (in my case > @mail.ast.cam.ac.uk) if the mail message is never leaving the local > system? I can put in 2c on that one. On another site, I run a listserv and people subscribing to the listserv from the local machine (calvados) did not have the fqdn added to their address. The listserv happily passed all the mail upstream, including the stuff for the local people. The mail software at the next site (bushwire) then added its fqdn to the mail from address, so mail from calvados was getting a from address of bushwire. I got lots of bounces, the local people never got mail from the listserv. After my ears stopped ringing, I fixed it in no time flat. Moral of the story: for a quiet, effective life always use @ as an address. Cheers John (BTW Karl, like the Trojan Room Coffee Pot on the World Wide Web (-: ) _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 18:23:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12170; Sat, 28 May 94 18:23:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19648; Sat, 28 May 94 18:16:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from santiam.CS.ORST.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19642; Sat, 28 May 94 18:16:24 -0700 Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (root@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU [128.193.164.25]) by santiam.CS.ORST.EDU (8.6.8/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA01178; Sat, 28 May 1994 18:16:05 -0700 Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (thorpej@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU [128.193.164.25]) by xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (8.6.8/8.6.4) with SMTP id SAA21504; Sat, 28 May 1994 18:15:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199405290115.SAA21504@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU> X-Authentication-Warning: xanth.CS.ORST.EDU: Host xanth.CS.ORST.EDU didn't use HELO protocol To: jglassco@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (john glasscock) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: avoid term= prompt From: Jason Thorpe Date: Sat, 28 May 94 18:15:37 PDT On Sat, 28 May 1994 21:00:48 GMT jglassco@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (john glasscock) wrote: > I want to avoid having to answer the query about TERM = (vt100) each > time I login. What command do I use to get to avoid this annoying > question? What other neat things might I add to my .login and .pinerc > files? > > We are using PINE 3.09 currently on dedicated mailservers. Below is my > login file. > > ----begin login file---- > #!/bin/csh > set path=(/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/bin .) > umask 077 > mesg y > stty -tabs eof ^D kill ^U erase ^\? intr ^C quit ^O stop ^S susp ^Z dsusp ^Y > stty hupcl ixon ixoff tostop > source /usr/local/lib/do_tset ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It would appear that this script has the tset stuff in it. Remove it if you wish, but don't rely on terminal routines to work... > if ( -f .firstlogin ) then > rm -f .firstlogin > if ( -f /usr/local/lib/ezmail/ezmail.info ) then > more /usr/local/lib/ezmail/ezmail.info > echo "\nHit or to continue\c" > read > endif > endif > setenv EDITOR emacs > date > echo "Entering the Pine mail program." > pine -f inbox -i > echo "You will now be logged out of EZMail." > clear > logout > > ---end .login file---- > > Any help will be appreciated. Thanks! > > -- > John Glasscock jglassco@ucs.indiana.edu > 100 N. Jefferson tel: 812-336-0246 > Bloomington, IN 47408 Indiana University > USA > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@cs.orst.edu 737-9533 OSU CS Support CSWest Room 12 737-5567 'These are my opinions and not necessarily those of anyone else.' NetBSD/Symmetry - Coming soon to a Sequent near you! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:09:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13593; Sat, 28 May 94 21:09:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13994; Sat, 28 May 94 21:01:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13988; Sat, 28 May 94 21:01:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 20:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: risser@panix.com (James Risser) Subject: A question on mailing and printing Date: 28 May 1994 23:52:53 -0400 Message-Id: <2s93il$ba3@panix2.panix.com> I use the tin newsreader and cannot figure out how to send an interesting news article to myself or to anyone else. I am also having difficulty printing an article to my printer. Although pine gives you an option to perform these tasks, I cannot seem to have good results. Someone please answer the following questions: To mail an article, I should enter___________? To print an article, I should enter__________? To forward an article, I should enter________? Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:09:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13606; Sat, 28 May 94 21:09:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14002; Sat, 28 May 94 21:01:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13996; Sat, 28 May 94 21:01:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 20:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) Subject: Re: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? Message-Id: References: <2s81uf$f5e@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 03:18:21 GMT jraphael@netcom.com (John Raphael) writes: | Floyd (shock@wam.umd.edu) wrote: | : Can incoming mail be automaticlly sorted to a specific folder | : based upon who it is from? | | Yes, in Pine 3.89. (Not sure about earlier versions). | | See the preferences section of the .pinerc file in your home directory | for the save message options. You will want to edit it for the desired | option. You can use Pico to edit the file. In my knowledge, Pine has no option to automatically sort incoming mail which is the job of the filtering programs like procmail, deliver or filter. What you mention are manual options to save once you read mail through pine. To the developers: If you are opting to provide any such features in Pine, please consider making it a compile-time option. Sridhar. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:48:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14027; Sat, 28 May 94 21:48:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14528; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14521; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:16 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 21:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu (Robert E Klimkiewicz) Subject: Re: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? Date: 29 May 1994 04:18:04 GMT Message-Id: <2s951s$pn2@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2s3amm$blp@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth Ruiz (uaceohrt@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote: : Perhaps this is a lame question, but how can l forward mail to multiple : people without it listing *everyone* l've sent it to?!? Try in 'a' for addressbook and use the 'l' (I think) for 'list' and type them in. Can't remember if it shows them all or not but its an idea. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Robert Klimkiewicz, Jr. + The opinions stated here are just Communication Major + that ... opinions. There is a George Mason University + chance you will not agree, and that rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu + is ok, and normal. If you have a rklimkie@gmuvax.bitnet + severe problem with them, email me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:49:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14051; Sat, 28 May 94 21:49:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14519; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14513; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:13 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 21:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davidlee@umich.edu (David Sang-shin Lee) Subject: Re: Editing with Pine/Pico Date: 29 May 1994 04:29:13 GMT Message-Id: <2s95mp$1bl@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: Andrew McRae (mcrae@elmer) wrote: > From the README file in the NCSA Telnet 2.6 distribution: > > I've included some KCHRs created by Matt Elliott to work > > around Apple's lack of a method for producing ctrl-@ or ctrl-^ > > with the standard KCHR > The "KCHRs" are keyboard layout files which you can drop into the > System file and select from the Keyboard control panel (or Keyboards > menu, if you have one). Using the supplied keyboard layout file, > ctrl-shift-6 produces the "ctrl-^" that Pine/Pico recognize. Thanks, Andrew...dropping the keyboard layout file into my System file did the trick. For those out there in netland who need to know, the file name (supplied with Telnet 2.6 - Mac) is: U.S. - Fixed Controls ------------------------------------------------------------------- David S. Lee (davidlee@umich.edu) All opinions HR6028, Kresge Hearing Research Institute expressed University of Michigan here are Ann Arbor MI 48109-0506 mine! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:49:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14056; Sat, 28 May 94 21:49:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14511; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14505; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:10 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 21:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu (Robert E Klimkiewicz) Subject: Re: Bounce command Date: 29 May 1994 04:19:01 GMT Message-Id: <2s953l$pn2@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2s7nph$jsv@news.cerf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earl Baker (edb@ten-fwd.airpcs.com) wrote: : I've managed to set up my .pinerc file and get the software to : do what I want it to, but the bounce command doesn't work. : I have an enable bounce command in the file. Is there some : trick to it? Any help on this is appreciated. Same problem here. Pls reply, either here on usenet or via mail. Thanks -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Robert Klimkiewicz, Jr. + The opinions stated here are just Communication Major + that ... opinions. There is a George Mason University + chance you will not agree, and that rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu + is ok, and normal. If you have a rklimkie@gmuvax.bitnet + severe problem with them, email me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:54:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14131; Sat, 28 May 94 21:54:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14535; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14529; Sat, 28 May 94 21:41:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 21:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu (Robert E Klimkiewicz) Subject: Re: Aliases Date: 29 May 1994 04:15:12 GMT Message-Id: <2s94sg$pn2@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2s2llc$noq@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> <2s32ap$5ig@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan M. Gonzalez (ujmg88pf@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote: : I forgot to clarify my situation. : I am aware of using the 'a' option for addressbook, and I know about changing the personal name in my pinerc. I wanted to know if it is possible to do the following: : I type in 'mac' when it asks me for an address.. : pine then puts the address that I originally placed in some sort of file. : I know that it is possible because it happens at this account (my school account)..I put the name of anyone on campus, and it responds with an address when : I hit return. : anyone understand my situation. thanks to everyone who already wrote, and thanks to anyone who can help me now. That's the addressbook that people have been explaining. Plain and simple. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Robert Klimkiewicz, Jr. + The opinions stated here are just Communication Major + that ... opinions. There is a George Mason University + chance you will not agree, and that rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu + is ok, and normal. If you have a rklimkie@gmuvax.bitnet + severe problem with them, email me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:58:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14162; Sat, 28 May 94 21:58:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14673; Sat, 28 May 94 21:51:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14667; Sat, 28 May 94 21:51:11 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 21:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Subject: Re: A question on mailing and printing Date: 29 May 1994 00:46:07 -0400 Message-Id: <2s96mf$dde@panix2.panix.com> References: <2s93il$ba3@panix2.panix.com> James Risser (risser@panix.com) wrote: : I use the tin newsreader and cannot figure out how to send an interesting : news article to myself or to anyone else. I am also having difficulty : printing an article to my printer. Although pine gives you an option to : perform these tasks, I cannot seem to have good results. : Someone please answer the following questions: : To mail an article, I should enter___________? : To print an article, I should enter__________? : To forward an article, I should enter________? James-- To mail, press "m" then you'll be presented with several options. You'll usually chose "a" to mail an article; To print, press "|" (the pipe command), then choose what you want to print, then type "pcprint" as the device. If you're terminal is set up properly it should print directly to your attached printer. I'll have to check on forwarding an article... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 21:58:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14164; Sat, 28 May 94 21:58:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14681; Sat, 28 May 94 21:51:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14675; Sat, 28 May 94 21:51:14 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 21:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) Subject: Re: A question on mailing and printing Date: 29 May 1994 00:49:07 -0400 Message-Id: <2s96s3$df2@panix2.panix.com> References: <2s93il$ba3@panix2.panix.com> James Risser (risser@panix.com) wrote: : I use the tin newsreader and cannot figure out how to send an interesting : news article to myself or to anyone else. I am also having difficulty : printing an article to my printer. Although pine gives you an option to : perform these tasks, I cannot seem to have good results. : Someone please answer the following questions: : To mail an article, I should enter___________? : To print an article, I should enter__________? : To forward an article, I should enter________? I checked on the forwarding--when you mail an article, tin asks for the addressee, which can be you or anyone else. BTW, the print function I described in my previous post works on Panix. Other systems might be different. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mitch Regenbogen | | | mreg@panix.com | "I understand." --Chauncey Gardner | | Brooklyn, New York | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 22:51:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14709; Sat, 28 May 94 22:51:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15435; Sat, 28 May 94 22:41:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15429; Sat, 28 May 94 22:41:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 22:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 42042@bach.udel.edu (Carmack Michael P) Subject: forward Date: 28 May 1994 19:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: <2s8ijl$n44@bach.udel.edu> If I have mail forwarded with a .forward, whenever I come back to my own account, all the mail that has been forwarded and I've already read is given to me once again. Any way to avoid this. Currently, my .forward reads: , thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 22:51:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14707; Sat, 28 May 94 22:51:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15419; Sat, 28 May 94 22:41:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15413; Sat, 28 May 94 22:41:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 22:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simon@midland.co.nz (Simon Lyall) Subject: Moderating a group Date: 29 May 1994 05:28:09 GMT Message-Id: <2s9959$ft0@midland.co.nz> I was wondering how I approve a messge using pine? I have set up a local group with myself as moderator and after posting a test message it gets sent to me. I was wondering how I now approve the messge and keep the original senders name etc intact? Simon. -- Simon J. Lyall. | Lots of Jobs | Email - simon@midland.co.nz "Inside me Im Screaming, Nobody pays any attention. " | MT. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 22:51:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14756; Sat, 28 May 94 22:51:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15427; Sat, 28 May 94 22:41:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15421; Sat, 28 May 94 22:41:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 22:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: awong@Emerald.tufts.edu (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) Subject: Re: Mailing lists in pine Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 05:17:40 GMT David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists. This program : works equally well with Pine. What if your machine don't have Elm or any of its component at all? Is there anyother way? --Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 23:09:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14914; Sat, 28 May 94 23:09:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15661; Sat, 28 May 94 23:01:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15655; Sat, 28 May 94 23:00:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 22:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tipcat@wam.umd.edu (Frank Young) Subject: Re: =20 Date: 29 May 1994 05:52:24 GMT Message-Id: <2s9aio$ol8@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <2s5hfk$nm3@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <2s811hINN2s6@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> In article <2s811hINN2s6@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Sergio Gelato wrote: >The only way to guarantee that quoted-printable encoding will not be >used is to stick to only the US ASCII character set, and to make sure >that no line of the message body exceeds 76 characters in length. Then, is there a way to set the right margin in PINE to limit the length of a line to, shall we say, 75 characters? TIA. -- Regards, Frank Young tipcat@wam.umd.edu 703-532-6284 6166 Leesburg Pike, Suite B-12, Falls Church, Virginia 22044-2343 "Videmus nunc per speculum in ‘nigmate.... Nunc cognosco ex parte" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat May 28 23:12:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14962; Sat, 28 May 94 23:12:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15732; Sat, 28 May 94 23:04:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15726; Sat, 28 May 94 23:04:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 22:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hahn@panix.com (Robert Hahn) Subject: Many thanks! (Was Stupid Question) Date: 29 May 1994 01:55:15 -0400 Message-Id: <2s9ao3$4qt@panix.com> I just wanted to say thanks to all the wonderful people with the answers, and even encouragements to post further stupid questions :) Many thanks! -rsh -- ` Robert S. Hahn hahn@panix.com --- | "A mountain is a mountain, (212)666-5850:Phone O |- and water is water." |____ - A koan of Korean Zen master Sung-chul From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 00:08:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15826; Sun, 29 May 94 00:08:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16533; Sun, 29 May 94 00:01:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16527; Sun, 29 May 94 00:01:28 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 23:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel) Subject: Re: Pine on AIX 3.2.2 Date: 29 May 1994 08:48:50 +0200 Message-Id: <2s9dsi$glr@grasp.insa-lyon.fr> References: <2rvuoc$imp@news.ysu.edu> Doug Sewell: >I built Pine 3.89 for AIX several months ago, and we've had lots of problems >with it. This was the first release of Pine that built successfully on AIX >for me, in spite of suggestions to the contrary in earlier releases. > >The biggest one is that it seems to hang. I had the chance having Pine not to crash but to generate a core which helped in locating a major C compilation problem (some piece of code which was not compiled by AIX's cc the same way other compilers do). I did submit a rewritting of this piece of code so that it's a little bit easier to grok for any C compiler, and it has (I think) been added to the source tree. Other similar C problems might subsist, but I did not run into them. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 00:08:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15828; Sun, 29 May 94 00:08:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16541; Sun, 29 May 94 00:01:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16535; Sun, 29 May 94 00:01:31 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sat, 28 May 94 23:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rocek@strauss.udel.edu (Thomas R Rocek) Subject: Pine spelling checker user word list?...does one exist? Date: 28 May 1994 21:35:40 -0400 Message-Id: <2s8rhc$f00@strauss.udel.edu> I am using Unix pine, and our system has a spelling checker built in. I like using it, but I haven't been able to figure out any way to store words (like my name or e-mail address) that appear in every message...so each time I use the checker, I have to tell it to ignore each of these words. Is there a way of creating a user word list which the pine spelling checker will recognize, so that it doesn't flag those words as misspelled? Thanks a lot for any advice...Tom Rocek -- Tom Rocek Bitnet: fjh00383@udelvm Department of Anthropology Internet: rocek@strauss.udel.edu University of Delaware Fax: (302) 831-4002 Newark, DE 19716 Voice: (302) 831-3695 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 00:38:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16461; Sun, 29 May 94 00:38:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16964; Sun, 29 May 94 00:31:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16958; Sun, 29 May 94 00:31:20 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 00:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: saved-msg-name-rule Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Is there any possibility you have two saved-msg-name-rule lines in your .pinerc file? If not, send a copy of your .pinerc and .pine-debug2 files to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu and we will take a look at it.... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > Is this a bug? I have Pine 3.89 up and running. But, > whenever I change .pinerc as saved-msg-name-rule=last-folder-used > or as saved-msg-name-rule=by-recipient. Pine changes it > back to saved-msg-name-rule=by-from. > > Is this a bug or the other alternatives are not implemented, yet? > > Selcuk > -- > > > --- *This letter is printed on 100% recycled electrons.* --- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 00:38:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16486; Sun, 29 May 94 00:38:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16972; Sun, 29 May 94 00:31:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16966; Sun, 29 May 94 00:31:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 00:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: attached file Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 27 May 1994, Brian Weaver wrote: > Bradley (bradleym@netcom.com) wrote: > : Dave Sperling (hblin001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: > > : > I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my > : > friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. > : > Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? > : > Thanks! > > : Yeah, that's one of the problems that I have with Pine. > > : You can do it one of 2 ways. > : 1. You can uuencode the file, and then use ^R to insert a text file. > : ie, "uuencode foo foo >foo.uue" will make a file called > : foo.uue. Then, inside pine, you can read in the file as text. > > : 2. You can use plain old Mail. The command while writing the body is: > : "~< ! uuencode foo foo > : It MUST be on a new line. > > : Of course, this all assumes that the recieving party knows how to > : uudecode a file (which is simple). > > : Bradley > > : ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > : '66 Kombi | Gimme my old cars any day | ,__o > : '65 Chevelle | but, | _-\_<, > : '88 Ritchey | I need a new bike! | (*)/'(*) > : bradleym@netcom.com finger for PGP public key Hayward, CA > > Is there a way for pine to decode attached files automatically, or > easily? > > - Brian > Pine 3.90 will have a way to easily uudecode, but not automatically. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 00:50:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16844; Sun, 29 May 94 00:50:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17141; Sun, 29 May 94 00:41:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17135; Sun, 29 May 94 00:41:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 00:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: =20 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: <2s9aio$ol8@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Q-P encoding will not be triggered for line length unless it exceeds the=20 RFC822 limit (1000 chars?). The composer wordwraps at 75 chars, but=20 there is currently no way to force a limit... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 29 May 1994, Frank Young wrote: > In article <2s811hINN2s6@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, > Sergio Gelato wrote: > >The only way to guarantee that quoted-printable encoding will not be > >used is to stick to only the US ASCII character set, and to make sure > >that no line of the message body exceeds 76 characters in length. >=20 >=20 > Then, is there a way to set the right margin in PINE to limit the length= =20 > of a line to, shall we say, 75 characters? TIA. >=20 > --=20 > Regards, Frank Young > tipcat@wam.umd.edu 703-532-6284 = =20 > 6166 Leesburg Pike, Suite B-12, Falls Church, Virginia 22044-2343 = =20 > "Videmus nunc per speculum in =91nigmate.... Nunc cognosco ex parte" = =20 >=20 >=20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 00:54:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16902; Sun, 29 May 94 00:54:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17149; Sun, 29 May 94 00:41:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17143; Sun, 29 May 94 00:41:27 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 00:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: rules program? Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s5o8h$gj3@quad.wfunet.wfu.edu> That is a function of a delivery filter, which is currently outside the scope of Pine. Some commonly used programs are filter, deliver, and procmail... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 May 1994, Forrest T Charnock wrote: > Does there exist a rules program for pine? i.e. automatically save > male from John Doe in the Doe file, send automatic replies when a letter > contains a certain phrase, etc. > > -- > * * * * * > The more the pity that fools may not speak > wisely what wise men do foolishly. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 01:08:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17284; Sun, 29 May 94 01:08:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17298; Sun, 29 May 94 00:52:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17292; Sun, 29 May 94 00:52:21 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 00:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) Subject: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted Date: 29 May 1994 07:33:43 GMT Message-Id: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> This is a small screed and warning about the Pine mailer (version 3.89) used here at Digital Express, and explains why some people were complaining to that they could not read files I sent to them. I did want to warn people here about this (IMO *very bad*) behavior. Followups have been directed to comp.mail.pine so as not to clog up the general newsgroup here at Digex with specific information about that application, The Pine Mailer, if you use the 'Attchmnt: ' option to include a file on a message - as I do many times - instead of simply attaching an ASCII text file to the message (even when the file is in plain 7-bit ASCII and has no special characters) will "encrypt" the file using MIME Base64. Even if there is no binary material in the file and you did not ask for the file to be changed. It means if I mail a file to someone who can't support MIME I can't use the attachment feature. It means I can't mail something using attachments unless I *know* they have a MIME compliant mailer. If this is a local change or caused by a set/setenv option, then it should be changed back to set the default to not use Base64 under ordinary circumstances. If it is, as I suspect, a standard practice of the program, it represents a serious, perhaps fatal mistake on the part of the designers of the application. Technically Base64 is not an encryption but as far as I am concerned it is, because it means people who do not have MIME based tools CANNOT read files sent using the "Attachmnt: " request. It means that for almost all cases where you want to include a file in a message, one *must* use the ^R function of the Pine Mailer's editor, and load the whole file into the buffer instead of using the MIME capability to mark files with a separator. This defeats the automatic separator capability which Pine can generate for individual, separate files. If you were trying to mail hundred-thousand byte files to people, as I do on a routine basis (I am releasing an update to Internet RFC 1394 and mailing people without FTP capability a copy of the file, which is 145K) this sort of behavior is *totally* unacceptable because you end up having to use system memory to load in a file which could simply have been file copied into a spool file directly for mailing. Encrypting files which are plain text when the user (like me) does not request it and where the encryption causes problems constitutes a *showstoppingly bad* feature as to effectively represent a defect in the program. To check that perhaps the file I was mailing had (unknown to me) some hidden binary characters (values 0-31 or 128-255) and Pine was correctly compressing the file into Base64 to allow transport, I created two small files, consisting of simply "Line one" and "Line one/Line two of 2" (where the / is a CR.) It did, and when I checked (using "tail" to look directly at the last 100 lines of my mail spool file), sure enough, these 7-bit Ascii files were now encrypted unreadable MIME Base64. Pine won't even save this message directly, I have to use the View command to look at the message or to save it. Other systems do send out unencrypted MIME with separators, so it is possible to *not* be doing this. This misfeature means if I mail a file to someone who can't support MIME I cannot use the attachment feature. It means I can not mail something using attachments unless I know *beyond a shadow of a doubt* that they have a MIME compliant mailer. Since this may not be true, it makes the attachment feature of the Pine Mailer effectively worthless. To me, this represents a major damaging attack upon the alleged claims that MIME would merely be an enhancement to RFC821 mail, in that if one's mailer was not MIME compatible, as long as you did not send binary files or use any special features, they would not have to upgrade. Attaching a plain flat 7-bit-ASCII text file to a message does *not*, IMO constitute a special feature that requires that it be changed into a method that is incompatible with ALL mail systems that do not support MIME Base64 decompression/decryption. So this is to warn people that if you are not *absolutely certain* your correspondent's mailer is MIME compatible, to ONLY use the ^R read file feature unless and until this *showstoppingly bad* practice of Pine is changed to not make such a dredful mistake. "This is a foul and inequitious rule and it must be expunged!" - The Mill and the Floss -- Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 01:12:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17456; Sun, 29 May 94 01:12:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17463; Sun, 29 May 94 01:01:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17457; Sun, 29 May 94 01:01:39 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 00:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Bounce command Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s953l$pn2@portal.gmu.edu> The bounce and pipe commands not implemented in Pine 3.89. Bounce and Pipe will be implemented in Pine 3.90. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 29 May 1994, Robert E Klimkiewicz wrote: > Earl Baker (edb@ten-fwd.airpcs.com) wrote: > : I've managed to set up my .pinerc file and get the software to > : do what I want it to, but the bounce command doesn't work. > : I have an enable bounce command in the file. Is there some > : trick to it? Any help on this is appreciated. > > Same problem here. Pls reply, either here on usenet or via mail. > Thanks > > -- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Robert Klimkiewicz, Jr. + The opinions stated here are just > Communication Major + that ... opinions. There is a > George Mason University + chance you will not agree, and that > rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu + is ok, and normal. If you have a > rklimkie@gmuvax.bitnet + severe problem with them, email me. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 01:20:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17578; Sun, 29 May 94 01:20:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17616; Sun, 29 May 94 01:11:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17610; Sun, 29 May 94 01:11:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 01:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Address Book Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Yes, just type the nickname of the individual or list in the address... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 28 May 1994, Varda Ullman Novick wrote: > When in the Pine 3.89 Address Book mode, when creating a new "mailing > list," is it possible to add the name of someone whose address already is > in the Address Book (as an individual) by just typing their nickname? Or > to add another group by typing its nickname? > > If so, would someone please tell me how? ;) > -- > Varda Ullman Novick > vunovick@netcom.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 01:30:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17682; Sun, 29 May 94 01:30:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17780; Sun, 29 May 94 01:21:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17774; Sun, 29 May 94 01:21:25 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 01:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: terminal-based imapd planned? Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 01:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2s8df9$1vr@nyx10.cs.du.edu> If you are running Unix locally, you can use "term" to redirect an IMAP connection. To set an alternate port for IMAP, use the form {server:port}folder. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 28 May 1994, Mark R. Lindsey wrote: > I'd like to see the imap protocol support evolve into something that would > allow us dial-in'ers to start the stdin/stdout imap server on our terminal > over the remote line, then have our local unix box or PC-Pine utilize the > imap protocol over the phone line, instead of limiting it to a tcp connection > (as the only means of using it). I think such would fly quickly, esp. in the > linux world. > > Well, it would be great for anyone in the dialup situation who doesn't have > SLIP or some equivalent. > > In the interim, is there a way for a user to attach the imapd to a user-able > port? This would accomplish the same purpose, but for a smaller usership. > > - Mark > -- > Mark R. Lindsey [][] South Georgia Digital Research Institute > mlindsey@nyx10.cs.du.edu [][] URL: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~mlindsey > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 03:18:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19308; Sun, 29 May 94 03:18:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19419; Sun, 29 May 94 03:11:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19413; Sun, 29 May 94 03:11:57 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 03:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail Date: 29 May 1994 09:48:39 GMT Message-Id: <2s9odn$6mc@news1.digex.net> References: <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> <2s330g$o1@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Jim Davis (jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU) wrote: : In article <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, : Suzan Zagar wrote: : :Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? : I believe it's been mentioned as a feature of Pine 3.90. : : I : :know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that : :your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being : :left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. : Actually it tells you no such thing. At best it suggests that the : message was locally delivered. Lest we forget, there are two headers: one is 'Return-Recipt-To:' and the other is 'Delivery-Notification-To:' (or whatever the header is) and as such, the two do two different things, and one or both can be present. -- Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 03:18:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19310; Sun, 29 May 94 03:18:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19427; Sun, 29 May 94 03:12:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19421; Sun, 29 May 94 03:12:00 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 03:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! Date: 29 May 1994 09:50:30 GMT Message-Id: <2s9oh6$6mc@news1.digex.net> References: Andy Smith (smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu) wrote: : I use pine 3.89. I am sure that this might be a simple question, but : none the less I don't know the answer to it. : When I reply to a message in pine and select 'y' to 'Include original : message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. : It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. : How can I change the configuration of pine to have my .sig appended to : the end of the included text? I noticed that, too. Pico correctly puts the signature at the bottom of messages sent from news, but on mail it does it "wrong". -- Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 03:38:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20075; Sun, 29 May 94 03:38:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19728; Sun, 29 May 94 03:32:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19722; Sun, 29 May 94 03:32:08 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 03:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) Subject: Re: BLINDing in Pine.. Date: 29 May 1994 10:03:18 GMT Message-Id: <2s9p96$6mc@news1.digex.net> References: Glen Wooten (jaguar1@netcom.com) wrote: : I'm using version 3.89 of Pine for Unix, and I've come across a possible : bug. When using the blind (Bcc:) command, it appears to blind addresses : SITE specific, as opposed to ADDRESS specific (with the exception of the : syste it's running on (in this case, Netcom.) If i was to be sending : duplicate copies of mail to 2 people on Netcom, 2 people on GEnie, and 2 : people on CompuServe, the people on GEnie & Compuserve would see the : other person on thier network that got the mail, but none of the other : addresses. The people on Netcom would see no other addresses. : Has anyone else run into this? Is this a bug, or am I missing something : not shown in the manual? This is a function of the mailer on Compuserve and Genie (and MCI Mail too, they do the same thing ) in that ALL local recipients of a message see each other. This is a standard function of those systems. I got used to it on MCI Mail some three years ago when I first signed up for it; I consider it a "feature" rather than a "bug". This is something that the mailers on THEIR systems do, even if you use a script to pipe a dialog to sendmail, pine has no control over it. -- Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 03:38:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20098; Sun, 29 May 94 03:38:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19720; Sun, 29 May 94 03:32:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19714; Sun, 29 May 94 03:32:05 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 03:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) Subject: Re: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? Date: 29 May 1994 10:05:57 GMT Message-Id: <2s9pe5$6mc@news1.digex.net> References: <2s3amm$blp@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Kenneth Ruiz (uaceohrt@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote: : Greetings... : Perhaps this is a lame question, but how can l forward mail to multiple : people without it listing *everyone* l've sent it to?!? : I tried using a little command line prog but it wouldn't mail with an : alias, and l can't change my chfn login name... : Is there some way to do this in pine or a short command line program that : *would* work? I think mine wouldn't work because lt used 'mail' or 'mailx' : and lve read the online manuals yet lack lack the technical knowledge to : really know what to do!! You send the message using BCC: and that should - except where the system lists all addressees, send it to them without identifying who got the message. For them you might want to use either a bulk mailer or use sendmail. -- Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 04:47:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21283; Sun, 29 May 94 04:47:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20975; Sun, 29 May 94 04:41:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20969; Sun, 29 May 94 04:41:51 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 04:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: df@christa.unh.edu (Daniel Ford) Subject: Re: A question on mailing and printing Date: 29 May 1994 11:30:13 GMT Message-Id: <2s9uc5$goc@mozz.unh.edu> References: <2s93il$ba3@panix2.panix.com> <2s96mf$dde@panix2.panix.com> >: I use the tin newsreader and cannot figure out how to send an interesting >: news article to myself or to anyone else. I am also having difficulty >: printing an article to my printer. Although pine gives you an option to >: perform these tasks, I cannot seem to have good results. > >To mail, press "m" then you'll be presented with several options. You'll >usually chose "a" to mail an article; > >To print, press "|" (the pipe command), then choose what you want to >print, then type "pcprint" as the device. If you're terminal is set up >properly it should print directly to your attached printer. It may work with tin, but it doesn't work with rn or trn. "m" marks an article as unread. Or am I missing something? Why is this discussion in pine? Are you reading newsgroups on pine somehow? (I have to quit, then load rn through the menu or go to shell to load trn.) -- - Dan They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor time condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 05:29:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21742; Sun, 29 May 94 05:29:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21502; Sun, 29 May 94 05:24:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from internal.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21496; Sun, 29 May 94 05:24:23 -0700 Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA02420; Sun, 29 May 94 20:24:18 +0800 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 20:24:17 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: Receipt for sent mail To: Paul Robinson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2s9odn$6mc@news1.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 29 May 1994, Paul Robinson wrote: > Jim Davis (jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU) wrote: > : In article <2s31as$5u4@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, > : Suzan Zagar wrote: > : :Is there a way in Pine to request a return receipt for a sent message?? > > : I believe it's been mentioned as a feature of Pine 3.90. > > : : I > : :know some mail programs have this feature--it is pretty neat to know that > : :your intended recipient has actually read your message instead of being > : :left in the dark wondering if the message has been read. > > : Actually it tells you no such thing. At best it suggests that the > : message was locally delivered. > > Lest we forget, there are two headers: one is 'Return-Recipt-To:' and > the other is 'Delivery-Notification-To:' (or whatever the header is) and > as such, the two do two different things, and one or both can be present. Lest we further forget that there are no "standards" for either the 'Return-Receipt-To:' or anything remotely resembling 'Delivery-Notification-To:' Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 06:24:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22401; Sun, 29 May 94 06:24:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22322; Sun, 29 May 94 06:19:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22316; Sun, 29 May 94 06:19:15 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 06:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: beta@eskimo.com (Nick Moffitt) Subject: Re: changing default editor Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 08:50:55 GMT n9246286@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Am-mit) writes: >Anyone know how I can change the default editor from pico to vi? >(i've noticed editing my .pinerc file doesn't seem to work). > Indeed, I am also wondering how one changes ones nn editor from edit to pico. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 06:59:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22652; Sun, 29 May 94 06:59:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22776; Sun, 29 May 94 06:54:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22770; Sun, 29 May 94 06:54:34 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 06:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) Subject: Re: Mailing lists in pine Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:25:36 GMT awong@Emerald.tufts.edu (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) writes: | David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: | | : The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists. This program | : works equally well with Pine. | | What if your machine don't have Elm or any of its component at all? Is there | anyother way? I don't know how to say this at the risk of considered as a flamer but... People are confusing the job Pine should be doing. It should be at best an MUA and _not_ a filter for incoming mail or a list manager. Efficient programs like procmail or deliver are available as separate packages for filtering incoming mail. Likewise, there are mailing list managers like Smartlist (previously packaged with procmail), listproc etc. Ofcourse, you need root access for installing some packages, but then you need to tell your root that you are running a mailing list anyway (for courtesy sake). IMO, Pine will be more beneficial if development proceeds towards features like saving (tagging) of messages, extra header support, full MIME support etc. Sridhar. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 09:00:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23972; Sun, 29 May 94 09:00:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24467; Sun, 29 May 94 08:54:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24461; Sun, 29 May 94 08:54:18 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09270; Sun, 29 May 94 08:54:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Paul Robinson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted In-Reply-To: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paul, Welcome (I think :) to the Pine list/newsgroup, and congratulations on having the first and longest flame since the creation of the newsgroup! Now let's talk about the issue... In considering how to handle text attachments, we had a very clear choice between: backwards compatibility for recipients who did not yet have MIME compliant software, and the integrity of the attachments. (Without some encoding, attachments would certainly be corrupted by certain mail gateways and/or mail delivery agents. Even text attachments.) In the end, the decision was made to favor integrity over backward compatibility. We considered the following issues: o Pine is a very popular program. We didn't want Pine to undermine the MIME standard by our using unsafe MIME practices. MIME attachments need to be just as reliable as FTP, else users will not be able to depend on MIME. This is just as true for text files as for binary, even though in many cases users might find the corruption of text files to be innocuous. o There is a workaround for non-MIME recipients, namely using ^R file inclusion, rather than attachments. I agree that this is less convenient, and for large messages less efficient... but we live in a world of compromises. Note that there are also non-Pine alternatives for sending files the way you want, such as the send program that is part of the Metamail MIME package. o The problem is transient, until such time as most recipients have access to MIME-capable software. All of the major mailer vendors have committed to MIME support, though they haven't all delivered yet. And I think most service providers understand that they can't honestly claim Internet mail compatibility without MIME support anymore. o It is common and uncontroversial for files to be uuencoded for Internet mail transmission, and then to be uudecoded outside of the recipient's mailer. The equivalent functionality is widely available for MIME encoding as well. (An example is John Myer's mpack/munpack program.) The real goal should be to get everyone into the MIME game as quickly as possible, so rather than trying to get Pine to move backwards and risk undermining the effort because of corrupted attachments, how 'bout leaning on the sites that don't yet provide a way for their clients to handle MIME? -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 09:08:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24178; Sun, 29 May 94 09:08:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24589; Sun, 29 May 94 09:03:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24579; Sun, 29 May 94 09:03:26 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 08:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz (Alan Brown) Subject: Re: attached file Date: 30 May 1994 01:26:13 +1200 Message-Id: <2sa55l$p22@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz> References: <2s2nej$m9k@nic-nac.CSU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , Bradley wrote: >Dave Sperling (hblin001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: > >> I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my >> friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. >> Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? >> Thanks! I'll modify that question a little....... Is there any way to atttach textfiles without using ^R and *not* have them encoded? -- AB alan@manawatu.planet.co.nz == alan@manawatu.gen.nz <> brown_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 09:41:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24593; Sun, 29 May 94 09:41:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25139; Sun, 29 May 94 09:36:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from newdaisy.ee.und.ac.za by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25133; Sun, 29 May 94 09:36:06 -0700 Received: by newdaisy.ee.und.ac.za (Smail3.1.28.1 #10) id m0q7nq4-0007UuC; Sun, 29 May 94 18:35 EET Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 18:35:52 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Alan Barrett Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted To: Terry Gray Cc: Paul Robinson , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 29 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > In considering how to handle text attachments, we had a very clear choice > between: backwards compatibility for recipients who did not yet have MIME > compliant software, and the integrity of the attachments. (Without some > encoding, attachments would certainly be corrupted by certain mail > gateways and/or mail delivery agents. Even text attachments.) It is possible to have a mail user agent do something like this when deciding what Content-Transfer-Encoding to use for an attachment: if atachment looks vaguely like text then ask user if attachment should be treated as text endif if attachment is not text then use Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 else /* attachment is text: it looks like text, and the user * has confirmed that it should be treated as text */ if it would be safe to use 7bit C-T-E then use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit else if it would be safe to use 8bit C-T-E then use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit else /* fallback for text that can't use 7bit or 8bit C-T-E */ use Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable endif endif The user would always have the option of forcing base64 encoding if he thought that a message with another encoding would be damaged in transit, but normal text attachments would be sent with the encoding most friendly to non-MIME-capable recipients. --apb (Alan Barrett) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 10:59:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25506; Sun, 29 May 94 10:59:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26306; Sun, 29 May 94 10:53:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26300; Sun, 29 May 94 10:53:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 10:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vunovick@netcom.com (Varda Ullman Novick) Subject: Re: Address Book Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 17:19:42 GMT David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Yes, just type the nickname of the individual or list in the address... Thanks to you and everyone who sent me emails! My problem stemmed from the fact that, when you type the nickname, that's all you see on your new list in your address book. The full ID doesn't show until you actually use the list in the To: or cc: or bcc: positions. Varda -- Varda Ullman Novick vunovick@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 11:28:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25819; Sun, 29 May 94 11:28:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26727; Sun, 29 May 94 11:22:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26721; Sun, 29 May 94 11:22:51 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 11:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: swartz@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Solo) Subject: .sig not at bottom Date: 29 May 1994 17:50:23 GMT Message-Id: <2sakkv$gpk@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> I was just reading the thread on someone having problems with their .sig not being at the bottom. I have another question along that line. My .sig is at the bottom in everything I do, except forward a message. I have the old-style , and .sig at bottom commands implemented. Is that normal? Do most people like their .sig at the top when forwardong a message? Is there anyway to change that? Thanks. -- _______/ _____ / / _____ / / / / / / / ______ / / / / / / Mark Swartz / / / / / / a.k.a Solo _______/ ________/ ________/ ________/ swartz@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * For by grace you have been saved * It takes *two* to be co-dependent! * * through faith, and that not of * -Cliff Claven * * yourselves; it is the gift of God. * I see your SWARTZ is as big as mine * * EPHESIANS 2:8 * -Dark Helmet * * ** Go SUNS** * Size matters not! -Yoda * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 11:44:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26133; Sun, 29 May 94 11:44:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27009; Sun, 29 May 94 11:40:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27003; Sun, 29 May 94 11:40:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 11:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ranck@husc4.harvard.edu (John Ranck) Subject: Change save directory? Message-Id: <2saktq$13p@scunix2.harvard.edu> Date: 29 May 1994 17:55:06 GMT Is there some way to change the pine default directory for exporting documents? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 11:54:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26241; Sun, 29 May 94 11:54:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05837; Sun, 29 May 94 11:48:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from agency.resource.ca.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05831; Sun, 29 May 94 11:48:25 -0700 Received: by agency.resource.ca.gov; id AA12445; Sun, 29 May 1994 11:49:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "John Jewell (jjewell@library.ca.gov)" Subject: Getting sendmail to recognize user-domain name in .pinerc To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We share a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 with another agency which serves as system administrator. Sometime in the near future, we will have our own separate system, so we have created an alias for our organization library.ca.gov. Anyone that addresses mail to us at library.ca.gov is able to send mail to us. That is also the user-domain that we have specified in all our .pinerc files for each of our own users. However, the agency system administrator has configured sendmail so that ALL external mail from the DEC Alpha has the agency's address as the domain; the entry in .pinerc is ignored. He has informed me that he has been unable to find anyway to configure the system so that our outgoing messages will have our domain as library.ca.gov. A system administrator at a nearby university says that he is sure there is a way, but doesn't deal with sendmail enough to know how to do it. Any assistance would be appreciated - from confirming which information is correct, suggesting the appropriate manuals, or providing sample coding and where it should appear. ----------------------------------------------------- John Jewell California Research Bureau / California State Library Phone: (916) 653-0293 Internet: jjewell@library.ca.gov ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 12:48:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27218; Sun, 29 May 94 12:48:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28051; Sun, 29 May 94 12:42:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28045; Sun, 29 May 94 12:42:45 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 12:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Pine for VMS beta #9 is available. Message-Id: <1994May29.214623.3987@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 29 May 94 21:46:23 GMT A new beta version of PINE for VMS is available from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL at LOCAL directory as PINE_BETA_9.BCK and .ZIP; The main fixes here are better Control/C trapping and the ability to use an alternate editor. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 12:48:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27242; Sun, 29 May 94 12:48:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28043; Sun, 29 May 94 12:42:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28035; Sun, 29 May 94 12:42:42 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 12:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: blind carbon copies Date: 29 May 1994 11:55:44 -0700 Message-Id: <2saofg$5pt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <2san9i$p6n@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <2san9i$p6n@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Jeff Bishop wrote: :How does one enable the Bcc: field for Pine? If you go into the online help on the 'compose message' screen, then you'll see you can get a Bcc: header line by typing ^R. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 12:48:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27255; Sun, 29 May 94 12:48:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28032; Sun, 29 May 94 12:42:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28025; Sun, 29 May 94 12:42:39 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 12:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ewise@umich.edu (Eric Lee Wise) Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac? Date: 29 May 1994 19:10:55 GMT Message-Id: <2sapbv$462@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <2s2ugc$8et@reeve.research.aa.wl.com> Mark Duffield (duffiem@aa.wl.com) wrote: : I'm looking for an IMAP client for the macintosh. Anyone know of oner? : The only IMAP client that I know of at all is pine ( which is distributed : with the IMAP server ). Any help would be appreciated. : Thanks. Versaterm Link which comes with Versaterm Pro can access mail from an IMAP server but it transfers the mail to your hard drive which sort of defeats the purpose of an IMAP client. POP mail II does the exact same thing and is shareware. Mailstrom leaves the mail at the IMAP server which seems like a better idea to me....but I have no idea where to get it. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Wise 1241 Barrister Ann Arbor, MI 48105 ewise@umich.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 12:50:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27292; Sun, 29 May 94 12:50:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28085; Sun, 29 May 94 12:44:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28079; Sun, 29 May 94 12:44:21 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA12403; Sun, 29 May 1994 15:41:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 15:41:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: Re: To: ZAIDI F Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <28MAY94.14075928.0054@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You didn't say what terminal emulator you are using; complete information on your environment will help isolate the problem... Both the Windoze "term" program and NCSA Telnet for the Macintosh (among MANY other emulators) will use the control keys to mean specific things. If you are using Windoze term, you should open the terminal settings menu and click off the check box that makes is use "Arrow, Alt, Ctrl keys for Widow functions" (it's on the bottom of the settings panel.) If you are using NCSA Telnet open the special keys menu (I believe the command-S key will do this for you), then blank out the interrupt, suspend, and resume values (defaults are ^C, ^Q, and ^S). That should help immensely... Mike On 28 May 1994, ZAIDI F wrote: > Date: 28 MAY 94 13:01:59 AST > From: ZAIDI F > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: > > Hello > > When I use pine from my dial in modem, it acts a little weird. > For example the ^C doesn't work and various other control sequence > commands. Enough of them do work that I can send > mail but it takes twice as long as it would say I was at the > university. > > I use the vt100 emulation. > I use the Unix verstion btw. > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks > > Fozia > > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | reflect those of the NSI program, | |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 13:19:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27672; Sun, 29 May 94 13:19:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28577; Sun, 29 May 94 13:12:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28571; Sun, 29 May 94 13:12:49 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 12:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Change save directory? Date: 29 May 1994 12:34:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2saqoe$5ss@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <2saktq$13p@scunix2.harvard.edu> In article <2saktq$13p@scunix2.harvard.edu>, John Ranck wrote: :Is there some way to change the pine default directory for exporting :documents? As the online help mentions, just type a full pathname if you don't want the file to end up in your home directory. That is, if you type foo then the document will be written to foo in your home directory, but if you type say /tmp/foo then it will be written there instead. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 13:19:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27696; Sun, 29 May 94 13:19:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28561; Sun, 29 May 94 13:12:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28555; Sun, 29 May 94 13:12:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 12:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jer@crash.cts.com (Jerry Burger) Subject: Pine Windows ? Date: 29 May 94 11:30:55 PDT Message-Id: <1994May29.113056.6527@crash> Is there a version of pine that can can be run on a PC under windows ? Thanks. Jer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 13:46:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28289; Sun, 29 May 94 13:46:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29125; Sun, 29 May 94 13:42:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29119; Sun, 29 May 94 13:42:05 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 13:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jetaylor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Jason Taylor ) Subject: to tag or not to tag... Date: 29 May 1994 20:02:13 GMT Message-Id: <2sasc5$e23@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Is there any easy way to TAG a selection of mail messages to be saved/deleted, etc like in elm?] Thanks! Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jetaylor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Also, jtay@sparky2.esd.mun.ca, Jason Taylor jt@ganymede.cs.mun.ca) Department of Earth Sciences Memorial University of Newfoundland St. John's Newfoundland A1B3X5 CANADA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 14:37:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29372; Sun, 29 May 94 14:37:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00118; Sun, 29 May 94 14:31:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00112; Sun, 29 May 94 14:31:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 14:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: attached file Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sa55l$p22@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz> No. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 30 May 1994, Alan Brown wrote: > In article , > Bradley wrote: > >Dave Sperling (hblin001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: > > > >> I have been having great success attaching files to Pine and sending my > >> friends on Pine software, binaries, and sound. > >> Question: Is it possible to attach a file to those not using Pine? > >> Thanks! > > I'll modify that question a little....... > > Is there any way to atttach textfiles without using ^R and *not* > have them encoded? > -- > AB > alan@manawatu.planet.co.nz == alan@manawatu.gen.nz <> brown_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 14:37:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29379; Sun, 29 May 94 14:37:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00126; Sun, 29 May 94 14:31:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00120; Sun, 29 May 94 14:31:35 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 14:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: to tag or not to tag... Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 14:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sasc5$e23@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Not yet, but there will be in Pine 3.90... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 29 May 1994, Jason Taylor wrote: > Is there any easy way to TAG a selection of mail messages to be > saved/deleted, etc like in elm?] > Thanks! > Jason > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > jetaylor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Also, jtay@sparky2.esd.mun.ca, > Jason Taylor jt@ganymede.cs.mun.ca) > Department of Earth Sciences > Memorial University of Newfoundland > St. John's > Newfoundland > A1B3X5 CANADA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 15:00:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29666; Sun, 29 May 94 15:00:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00547; Sun, 29 May 94 14:53:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00541; Sun, 29 May 94 14:53:26 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 14:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjoneill@clark.net (Michael J. O'Neill) Subject: Re: Mailing lists in pine Date: 29 May 1994 17:21:05 GMT Message-Id: <2saiu1$5jj@clarknet.clark.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi) (awong@Emerald.tufts.edu) wrote: : David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : : The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists. This program : : works equally well with Pine. : What if your machine don't have Elm or any of its component at all? Is there anyother way? : --Alex Pine 3.89's .pinerc allows you to filter incoming mail to folders other than INBOX. Mike mjoneill@clark.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 15:00:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29690; Sun, 29 May 94 15:00:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00532; Sun, 29 May 94 14:53:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00525; Sun, 29 May 94 14:53:19 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 14:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjoneill@clark.net (Michael J. O'Neill) Subject: Re: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? Date: 29 May 1994 17:09:58 GMT Message-Id: <2sai96$5jj@clarknet.clark.net> References: <2s81uf$f5e@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sridhar Venkataraman (sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu) wrote: : jraphael@netcom.com (John Raphael) writes: : | Floyd (shock@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : | : Can incoming mail be automaticlly sorted to a specific folder : | : based upon who it is from? : | : | Yes, in Pine 3.89. (Not sure about earlier versions). : | : | See the preferences section of the .pinerc file in your home directory : | for the save message options. You will want to edit it for the desired : | option. You can use Pico to edit the file. : In my knowledge, Pine has no option to automatically sort incoming : mail which is the job of the filtering programs like procmail, deliver : or filter. What you mention are manual options to save once you read mail : through pine. : To the developers: If you are opting to provide any such features in : Pine, please consider making it a compile-time option. The .pinerc file for Pine 3.89 DOES allow you to 'specify incoming-folders other than INBOX that receive new messages'. The keyword is 'incoming-folders' and the format is incoming-folders= Mike mjoneill@clark.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 15:00:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29714; Sun, 29 May 94 15:00:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00539; Sun, 29 May 94 14:53:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00533; Sun, 29 May 94 14:53:23 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 14:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjoneill@clark.net (Michael J. O'Neill) Subject: Re: A question on mailing and printing Date: 29 May 1994 17:17:10 GMT Message-Id: <2saimm$5jj@clarknet.clark.net> References: <2s93il$ba3@panix2.panix.com> <2s96mf$dde@panix2.panix.com> <2s9uc5$goc@mozz.unh.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Ford (df@christa.unh.edu) wrote: [bulk of original omitted for brevity] : It may work with tin, but it doesn't work with rn or trn. "m" marks an : article as unread. Or am I missing something? Why is this discussion in : pine? Are you reading newsgroups on pine somehow? (I have to quit, then : load rn through the menu or go to shell to load trn.) Dan, if you run Pine with the '-z' switch, it'll enable a ^Z to suspend, allowing you to run rn/trn w/out having to quit Pine. Mike mjoneill@clark.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 15:28:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00230; Sun, 29 May 94 15:28:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01087; Sun, 29 May 94 15:22:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01081; Sun, 29 May 94 15:22:20 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12471; Sun, 29 May 94 15:22:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 15:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Michael J. O'Neill" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? In-Reply-To: <2sai96$5jj@clarknet.clark.net> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, Pine's "incoming message folders" feature is intended to provide a convenient way of accessing multiple inboxes ONCE THEY EXIST, but Pine does not filter incoming messages itself. So you need to use a delivery filter program, e.g. "filter" or "deliver" or "procmail", to actually split the incoming stream into multiple folders, then you use the "incoming-folders=" variable in your .pinerc to tell Pine about them. (And the folders in that list don't even need to be on the same host.) -teg On 29 May 1994, Michael J. O'Neill wrote: > Sridhar Venkataraman (sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu) wrote: > : jraphael@netcom.com (John Raphael) writes: > : | Floyd (shock@wam.umd.edu) wrote: > : | : Can incoming mail be automaticlly sorted to a specific folder > : | : based upon who it is from? > : | > : | Yes, in Pine 3.89. (Not sure about earlier versions). > : | > : | See the preferences section of the .pinerc file in your home directory > : | for the save message options. You will want to edit it for the desired > : | option. You can use Pico to edit the file. > > : In my knowledge, Pine has no option to automatically sort incoming > : mail which is the job of the filtering programs like procmail, deliver > : or filter. What you mention are manual options to save once you read mail > : through pine. > > : To the developers: If you are opting to provide any such features in > : Pine, please consider making it a compile-time option. > > > The .pinerc file for Pine 3.89 DOES allow you to 'specify > incoming-folders other than INBOX that receive new messages'. The > keyword is 'incoming-folders' and the format is > incoming-folders= > > Mike > mjoneill@clark.net > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 16:17:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00941; Sun, 29 May 94 16:17:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01892; Sun, 29 May 94 16:12:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from madmacs.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01886; Sun, 29 May 94 16:12:15 -0700 Received: by madmacs.macarthur.uws.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15031; Mon, 30 May 1994 09:12:16 +1100 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 09:11:40 +22311043 (E ) From: Brian Kalabric Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE BRIAN KALABRIC To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 16:38:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01214; Sun, 29 May 94 16:38:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02147; Sun, 29 May 94 16:33:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02141; Sun, 29 May 94 16:33:08 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 16:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Moderating a group Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 01:15:21 +0200 Message-Id: References: <2s9959$ft0@midland.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have set up a local group with myself as moderator and after > posting a test message it gets sent to me. I was wondering how I now > approve the messge and keep the original senders name etc intact? Wait for Pine 3.90 and then you can pipe the mail to some other program that posts it, for instance: mail2news -a simon (ask archie for the newsgate package). On second thought, don't wait that long but use another agent in the meantime to prevent a mutiny against you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 17:30:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01690; Sun, 29 May 94 17:30:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02928; Sun, 29 May 94 17:23:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02922; Sun, 29 May 94 17:23:42 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 17:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stevesch@inca.gate.net (Steve Schneider / FogBottomPond) Subject: Re: .sig before Included text?!?!?! Date: 29 May 1994 19:50:33 -0400 Message-Id: <2sb9o9$1m7t@inca.gate.net> References: <2s9oh6$6mc@news1.digex.net> Paul Robinson (tdarcos@access1.digex.net) wrote: : Andy Smith (smith@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu) wrote: : : message in Reply?' my .sig is included before the included text. : : It is quite a pain moving my .sig down to the bottom of the page. : I noticed that, too. Pico correctly puts the signature at the bottom of : messages sent from news, but on mail it does it "wrong". Edit your .pinerc file... Look for the following line near the last 1/3 that says: feature-list= CHANGE to feature-list= old-growth, signature-at-bottom Steve... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 17:49:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01906; Sun, 29 May 94 17:49:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03227; Sun, 29 May 94 17:44:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03221; Sun, 29 May 94 17:44:20 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 17:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scottt@storm.cs.orst.edu (Scott Tzibra Leah) Subject: editing .pinerc Date: 29 May 1994 23:57:21 GMT Message-Id: <2sba51INN2o6@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> O.K. I discovered the .pinerc file and is it long! :) Now I, and many others, some I know personally, have a couple of more questions. We were all be very grateful for any help. Please, post the answers here. ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive # email on several different machines. # Example: # incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ is this my own login, or ^^^^^^ the login of the person ^^^^^ I wish to go to a certain ^^^^^^ folder? ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ actually who or what is the 'to' is it something I created, a special logon? # Widget-Project {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-widget, # Old-Student-Acct {imap.berkeley.edu}inbox ^^^^^^ incoming-folders= ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ again. is this supposed to ^^^^^^ be my own login, or the login ^^^^^^ of someone else? ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ can I assume this filter will also work for 'from' and 'cc'? # news-collections specifies one or more collections of news groups. # News collection syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] # Examples: # news-collections=News *[] <-- if your login host carries news # news-collections=Subscribed-Groups *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[] news-collections= ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ can anyone give a good real- time example of this? and i quess the new.u... is the mail address of the group? Thank you again. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 18:16:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02226; Sun, 29 May 94 18:16:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03591; Sun, 29 May 94 18:08:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03573; Sun, 29 May 94 18:08:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 17:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted Date: 30 May 1994 00:30:16 GMT Message-Id: <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net> References: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> Terry Gray wrote in as follows: > Paul, Welcome (I think :) to the Pine list/newsgroup, and > congratulations on having the first and longest flame since the > creation of the newsgroup! If the system wasn't broken, the whole commentary wouldn't have been needed. Whether it's a "flame" or not is another issue. The software acts in a way that is IMO defective for this purpose. That it can be used in other purposes is irrelevant, it's not much good as far as I am able to work with it. > In considering how to handle text attachments, we had a very clear > choice between: backwards compatibility for recipients who did not yet > have MIME compliant software, and the integrity of the attachments. > (Without some encoding, attachments would certainly be corrupted by > certain mail gateways and/or mail delivery agents. Even text > attachments.) Fine, but give *me* the ability to turn it off when either I know I don't need this capability or I can't use it. > In the end, the decision was made to favor integrity over backward > compatibility. We considered the following issues: How about both? > o Pine is a very popular program. We didn't want Pine to undermine > the MIME standard by our using unsafe MIME practices. Which it does *out of the box* by not allowing non-mime systems to read files it creates. > MIME attachments need to be just as reliable as FTP, else users will > not be able to depend on MIME. True. But your program now makes them *non reliable*. > This is just as true for text files as for binary, even though in many > cases users might find the corruption of text files to be innocuous. True, but when there is a possibility that I don't want it that way, let me decide if I want to not use Base64. > o There is a workaround for non-MIME recipients, namely using ^R file > inclusion, rather than attachments. But then, there is no inter-file separator. > I agree that this is less > convenient, and for large messages less efficient... but we live in > a world of compromises. Note that there are also non-Pine > alternatives for sending files the way you want, such as the send > program that is part of the Metamail MIME package. Nonetheless it would have been possible to do both: to provide reliable Base64 protection for most files, and allow people to override that protection when needed. Additionally, they could identify a file directly. > o The problem is transient, until such time as most recipients have > access to MIME-capable software. All of the major mailer vendors > have committed to MIME support, though they haven't all delivered > yet. And I think most service providers understand that they can't > honestly claim Internet mail compatibility without MIME support anymore. Which may be years. Beyond that, perhaps I want to create a file specifically for displaying *including* the separators; I can't do that. > o It is common and uncontroversial for files to be uuencoded for > Internet mail transmission, and then to be uudecoded outside of > the recipient's mailer. The equivalent functionality is widely > available for MIME encoding as well. (An example is John Myer's > mpack/munpack program.) The difference being the user's explicit uuencoding of a file. Here, Pine is deciding on its own to encrypt my file. For most users that might be acceptable, but I should be able to decide how my mail goes out if I need to. > The real goal should be to get everyone into the MIME game as quickly > as possible, so rather than trying to get Pine to move backwards and > risk undermining the effort because of corrupted attachments, how 'bout > leaning on the sites that don't yet provide a way for their clients to > handle MIME? Of all the impudent statements! 'Lean on' someone else to change their system to work with a mailer that doesn't follow the standards! That's a twist. The MIME standards are supposed to make the changes transparent to someone using non-MIME mail, which this doesn't. Now, there is a simple fix to the problem to add the capability to identify files as text files that you don't want translated. I figured out what to do; change the routine that reads the file name; since it doesn't allow < or [ in the name, those can be used to mark options for the file, e.g. Attachmnt: 1. .pinerc[ascii] (2KB) "" Would send the file ".pinerc" and force it to assume 7-bit ascii even if wrong. Attachmnt: 1. rfc1394.zip[binary,type=application/zip] (45K) "" Would tell the system to use base64 compression and set the header type to application/zip to indicate a zip format file in the header. This would also allow people to mark files for a particular application, e.g. Attachmnt: 1. BUTERFLY.BMP [binary, type=application/windows-bmp] (234K) "" -- Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 18:38:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02418; Sun, 29 May 94 18:38:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03892; Sun, 29 May 94 18:31:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03886; Sun, 29 May 94 18:31:56 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 18:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: risser@panix.com (James Risser) Subject: please define "pine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 18:52:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02543; Sun, 29 May 94 18:52:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04088; Sun, 29 May 94 18:45:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04082; Sun, 29 May 94 18:45:18 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 18:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lmbutler@crl.com (Lawrence Butler) Subject: Re: .sig not at bottom Date: 29 May 1994 18:19:09 -0700 Message-Id: <2sbeud$1qf@crl.crl.com> References: <2sakkv$gpk@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> In article <2sakkv$gpk@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> swartz@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Solo) writes: [portion deleted] >.sig is at the bottom in everything I do, except forward a message. I >have the old-style , and .sig at bottom commands implemented. Is that >normal? Do most people like their .sig at the top when forwardong a >message? Is there anyway to change that? Thanks. > I would also like to know (since when was having your sig on the bottom as "old style"??) I noticed this option on an earlier version of Pine's pinerc (perhaps its on 2.89 I haven't checked) From reading USENET over the past two years the vast majority of sigs are placed at the bottom. Personally I like sig's on top on forwards...since it shows upfront who is forwarding the message and there's no confusion on whose message is whose. But for everything else the sig stays on the bottom for me :). In Elm we had two sig options: one for local mail and a 2nd one for "outside" mail. I liked this approach. Though the ^R option is a way of resolving this issue I was wondering if such an automatic option for local and outside sigs would be included for a future version of Pine. Lawrence From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 19:34:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02940; Sun, 29 May 94 19:34:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04632; Sun, 29 May 94 19:27:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04626; Sun, 29 May 94 19:27:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 19:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:45:27 +0200 Message-Id: References: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Pine Mailer, if you use the 'Attchmnt: ' option to include a > file on a message - as I do many times - instead of simply attaching > an ASCII text file to the message (even when the file is in plain > 7-bit ASCII and has no special characters) will "encrypt" the file > using MIME Base64. Even if there is no binary material in the file > and you did not ask for the file to be changed. First of all, base64 is neither an encryption nor a compression method, so please don't call it like that. It is a transfer-encoding, very simple, yet the most reliable there is for mailing files. Pine's documentation explains when and why base64 was chosen. Even if you haven't read the Technical Notes, you should've noticed what an attachment is if you've used it that many times. > [^R] is *totally* unacceptable because you end up having to use > system memory to load in a file which could simply have been file > copied into a spool file directly for mailing. I would assume that attachments use even more system memory. > To me, this represents a major damaging attack upon the alleged > claims that MIME would merely be an enhancement to RFC821 mail, in > that if one's mailer was not MIME compatible, as long as you did not > send binary files or use any special features, they would not have > to upgrade. Minus the hype, you have a point here. Perhaps a future Pine could ask "Are you willing to risk some data corruption and attach the file unencoded?" Until then you might want to format your mass mailings with elm or mailto which give you more control over the encoding. Or how about using the earlier versions of Pine? (I'm sure Pine 2000 will have a configurable list of hosts known to be 8bit-clean, and decode all the quoted-printables when filing messages). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 19:34:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02942; Sun, 29 May 94 19:34:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04640; Sun, 29 May 94 19:27:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04634; Sun, 29 May 94 19:27:46 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 19:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: some comments about pine Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:56:43 +0200 Message-Id: References: <2s84f9$34q@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Why is pine so bad in handling mail messages without the From: or > Date: headers? Normal ucb mail seems to work fine with these - > can't pine do a similar job of extracting the date/sender from > what's left? I second this. > And another thing - why does it append a full ip name (in my case > @mail.ast.cam.ac.uk) if the mail message is never leaving the local > system? It's called explicit lyrics. After all, you never know if your message won't be forwarded or filed some place outside. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 19:45:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03057; Sun, 29 May 94 19:45:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04724; Sun, 29 May 94 19:33:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04718; Sun, 29 May 94 19:33:30 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14402; Sun, 29 May 94 19:33:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 19:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Paul Robinson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted In-Reply-To: <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net> Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Of all the impudent statements! 'Lean on' someone else to change their > system to work with a mailer that doesn't follow the standards! That's a > twist. Paul, Pine *does* follow the MIME standard. The problem is with legacy mailers that do not yet. Pine's attachment feature was not designed to be used when sending to non-MIME-capable recipients, for the reasons outlined previously. You are a sophisticated user focused on a very specific requirement that is at odds with some of our requirements. Sophisticated users have many options... -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 21:07:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03815; Sun, 29 May 94 21:07:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05889; Sun, 29 May 94 21:00:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05883; Sun, 29 May 94 21:00:24 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 20:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wmcbrine@clark.net (William McBrine) Subject: Dashed line before .signature Date: 30 May 1994 03:15:07 GMT Message-Id: <2sblnr$3h7@clarknet.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to make Pine add a '--' automatically when it reads in the .signature (as below)? -- William McBrine wmcbrine@clark.net wmcbrine@cap.gwu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 21:34:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04029; Sun, 29 May 94 21:34:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06235; Sun, 29 May 94 21:27:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06229; Sun, 29 May 94 21:27:29 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 21:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbishop@babel.ling.nwu.edu (Jeff Bishop) Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted Date: 30 May 1994 03:55:33 GMT Message-Id: <2sbo3l$5a6@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net> In article <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net>, Paul Robinson wrote: >Terry Gray wrote in >as follows: >> Paul, Welcome (I think :) to the Pine list/newsgroup, and >> congratulations on having the first and longest flame since the >> creation of the newsgroup! Pointing out an obvious mistake in the program is hardly what I consider a flame. MIME encryption should be an optional feature; to assume that every receipient will have MIME-aware tools is a mistake, and Paul was right to point that out. >> In the end, the decision was made to favor integrity over backward >> compatibility. We considered the following issues: Integrity isn't worth much if the recipient can't read it. Pine may be a popular program, but it isn't popular enough that we can automatically assume that everyone we send email to will use it or even have it available to them. If/when MIME becomes a universal standard, it will be reasonable to make it automatic and drop ASCII altogether. Until then it makes a lot more sense to allow file transmissions everyone else can read. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 21:34:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04048; Sun, 29 May 94 21:34:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06227; Sun, 29 May 94 21:27:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06221; Sun, 29 May 94 21:27:26 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 21:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Moderating a group Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 20:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 30 May 1994, Roman Czyborra wrote: > > I have set up a local group with myself as moderator and after > > posting a test message it gets sent to me. I was wondering how I now > > approve the messge and keep the original senders name etc intact? > > Wait for Pine 3.90 and then you can pipe the mail to some other > program that posts it, for instance: mail2news -a simon (ask archie > for the newsgate package). On second thought, don't wait that long > but use another agent in the meantime to prevent a mutiny against you. > > Sorry, The Pipe command in Pine 3.90 is for incoming messages only, not outgoing.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 21:48:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04199; Sun, 29 May 94 21:48:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06455; Sun, 29 May 94 21:40:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06449; Sun, 29 May 94 21:40:50 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 21:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine Windows ? Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 21:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994May29.113056.6527@crash> PC-Pine _can_ be used under windows, though not as a Windows/winsock app. There is a Windows compliant version of Pine coming some time this summer. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 29 May 1994, Jerry Burger wrote: > Is there a version of pine that can can be run on a PC under windows ? > > Thanks. > > Jer > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 21:57:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04283; Sun, 29 May 94 21:57:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06447; Sun, 29 May 94 21:40:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06441; Sun, 29 May 94 21:40:48 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 21:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: .sig not at bottom Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 21:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sbeud$1qf@crl.crl.com> On 29 May 1994, Lawrence Butler wrote: > In article <2sakkv$gpk@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> swartz@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Solo) writes: > > [portion deleted] > >.sig is at the bottom in everything I do, except forward a message. I > >have the old-style , and .sig at bottom commands implemented. Is that > >normal? Do most people like their .sig at the top when forwardong a > >message? Is there anyway to change that? Thanks. > > > > I would also like to know (since when was having your sig on the bottom as > "old style"??) I noticed this option on an earlier version of Pine's pinerc > (perhaps its on 2.89 I haven't checked) From reading USENET over the past > two years the vast majority of sigs are placed at the bottom. Personally > I like sig's on top on forwards...since it shows upfront who is forwarding > the message and there's no confusion on whose message is whose. But for > everything else the sig stays on the bottom for me :). > The "old-style-reply" option is deprecated in favor of the feature-list options. Having the signature and reply above the quoted text was new to me when I started dealing with Pine, so I guess it is newer than the "at the bottom" way ;) > In Elm we had two sig options: one for local mail and a 2nd one for "outside" > mail. I liked this approach. Though the ^R option is a way of resolving > this issue I was wondering if such an automatic option for local and outside > sigs would be included for a future version of Pine. > This has been proposed and will be considered for a future release of Pine (but not 3.90). --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 22:00:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04338; Sun, 29 May 94 22:00:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06581; Sun, 29 May 94 21:48:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AB06575; Sun, 29 May 94 21:48:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 21:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu (Robert E Klimkiewicz) Subject: Re: Bounce command Date: 30 May 1994 04:05:38 GMT Message-Id: <2sbomi$4gg@portal.gmu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : The bounce and pipe commands not implemented in Pine 3.89. Bounce and Pipe : will be implemented in Pine 3.90. to be available when? -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Robert Klimkiewicz, Jr. + The opinions stated here are just Communication Major + that ... opinions. There is a George Mason University + chance you will not agree, and that rklimkie@mason1.gmu.edu + is ok, and normal. If you have a rklimkie@gmuvax.bitnet + severe problem with them, email me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 22:05:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04487; Sun, 29 May 94 22:05:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06699; Sun, 29 May 94 21:56:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06693; Sun, 29 May 94 21:56:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 21:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: editing .pinerc Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 21:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sba51INN2o6@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> On 29 May 1994, Scott Tzibra Leah wrote: > O.K. I discovered the .pinerc file and is it long! :) > > Now I, and many others, some I know personally, have a couple > of more questions. We were all be very grateful for any help. > Please, post the answers here. > > > ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### > > # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. > # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path > # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive > # email on several different machines. > # Example: > # incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > is this my own login, or ^^^^^^ > the login of the person ^^^^^ > I wish to go to a certain ^^^^^^ > folder? ^^^^^^^^^ Pine will first attempt to use "rsh" pre-authentication using your username to make the connection. If that fails, you will be prompted for a username/password the first time. After that your username and password are cached for later connections. There have been some proposals to make this a bit more flexible, but they are not yet implemented. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > actually who or > what is the 'to' > is it something > I created, a > special logon? "filter/to-help" is an arbitrary path name relative to your home directory on the IMAP server. It does not have any special meaning. > > # Widget-Project {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-widget, > # Old-Student-Acct {imap.berkeley.edu}inbox ^^^^^^ > incoming-folders= ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ > again. is this supposed to ^^^^^^ > be my own login, or the login ^^^^^^ > of someone else? ^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^ > can I assume this > filter will also > work for 'from' > and 'cc'? > Again, these are arbitrary file names with no special significance. I can see now that they were poorly chosen. Apologies for the confusion! > > # news-collections specifies one or more collections of news groups. > # News collection syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] > # Examples: > # news-collections=News *[] <-- if your login host carries news > # news-collections=Subscribed-Groups *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[] > news-collections= ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > can anyone give a good real- > time example of this? and i > quess the new.u... is the > mail address of the group? > Nope. "news.u.washington.edu" is the name of the NNTP server. This happens to be the main NNTP server here at UW (access is restricted to the washington.edu domain, please do not try to use it from outside UW). > > > > Thank you again. > > Thanks for the question! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 22:19:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04642; Sun, 29 May 94 22:19:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15726; Sun, 29 May 94 22:07:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from madmacs.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15712; Sun, 29 May 94 22:07:28 -0700 Received: by madmacs.macarthur.uws.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14585; Mon, 30 May 1994 15:07:23 +1100 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 15:06:08 +22311043 (E ) From: Brian Kalabric Subject: Unsubscribing To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could some please tell me how to unsubscribe from this group thanks muchly +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ \ B r i a n K a l a b r i c | University of Western Sydney / | | Macarthur | | Systems Administrator | Campbelltown Campus | | | N.S.W Australia | | Phone +61 46 20-3291 | Post: P.O. Box 555, Campbelltown | / Fax +61 46 28-4899 | Internet: B.Kalabric@uws.edu.au \ +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 23:03:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05120; Sun, 29 May 94 23:03:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07702; Sun, 29 May 94 22:55:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07696; Sun, 29 May 94 22:55:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 22:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cmclark@umich.edu (Charles Clark) Subject: Re: Dashed line before .signature Date: 30 May 1994 05:33:30 GMT Message-Id: <2sbtra$64l@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <2sblnr$3h7@clarknet.clark.net> wmcbrine@clark.net (William McBrine) writes: >Is there any way to make Pine add a '--' automatically when it reads in >the .signature (as below)? Make your .signature file be like -- William McBrine instead of just William McBrine Now, if you are trying to use the same signature file for some other program, say trn, that adds the -- automatically, you'll have to give that up (use two different sig files). -- cmclark DoD #1325 "Let me state that, as a taxpayer, I would much rather see my tax money spent on mutant constipated worms than on the Senate Judiciary Committee." -- Dave Barry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun May 29 23:50:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05757; Sun, 29 May 94 23:50:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17206; Sun, 29 May 94 23:41:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17182; Sun, 29 May 94 23:41:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id BAA02758; Mon, 30 May 1994 01:46:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 01:46:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Dashed line before .signature To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: <2sbtra$64l@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can get a double-dash manually to your .signature, but that is silly if you have other programs that automatically add the dashes. Sounds like an important .pinerc option, IMHO. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or Blue Earth County -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 00:27:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06554; Mon, 30 May 94 00:27:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08833; Mon, 30 May 94 00:14:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08827; Mon, 30 May 94 00:14:02 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Sun, 29 May 94 23:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Dashed line before .signature Date: 29 May 1994 23:32:13 -0700 Message-Id: <2sc19d$6km@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <2sblnr$3h7@clarknet.clark.net> <2sbtra$64l@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article <2sbtra$64l@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Charles Clark wrote: :wmcbrine@clark.net (William McBrine) writes: : :>Is there any way to make Pine add a '--' automatically when it reads in :>the .signature (as below)? : :Make your .signature file be like : -- : William McBrine :instead of just : William McBrine : :Now, if you are trying to use the same signature file for some other :program, say trn, that adds the -- automatically, you'll have to give :that up (use two different sig files). Just edit your .pinerc and set signature-file=.pinesig (or whatever name you want) and make .pinesig your ordinary .signature with a '--' line at the top. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 02:49:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09158; Mon, 30 May 94 02:49:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10881; Mon, 30 May 94 02:37:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10875; Mon, 30 May 94 02:37:44 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 02:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) Subject: Re: Dashed line before .signature Message-Id: References: <2sblnr$3h7@clarknet.clark.net> <2sbtra$64l@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 08:49:06 GMT cmclark@umich.edu (Charles Clark) writes: | wmcbrine@clark.net (William McBrine) writes: | | >Is there any way to make Pine add a '--' automatically when it reads in | >the .signature (as below)? | | Make your .signature file be like | -- | William McBrine | instead of just | William McBrine | | Now, if you are trying to use the same signature file for some other | program, say trn, that adds the -- automatically, you'll have to give | that up (use two different sig files). | -- | cmclark DoD #1325 Please make sure it is "^-- $" as a regular expression, i.e. two dashes and a space. That is the convention for starting a signature. Sridhar. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 02:57:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09242; Mon, 30 May 94 02:57:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11003; Mon, 30 May 94 02:47:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10997; Mon, 30 May 94 02:47:26 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 02:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) Subject: Re: Incoming mail, sort to specific folders auto ? Message-Id: References: <2s81uf$f5e@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <2sai96$5jj@clarknet.clark.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 09:04:46 GMT mjoneill@clark.net (Michael J. O'Neill) writes: | Sridhar Venkataraman (sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu) wrote: | : In my knowledge, Pine has no option to automatically sort incoming | : mail which is the job of the filtering programs like procmail, deliver | : or filter. What you mention are manual options to save once you read mail | : through pine. | | The .pinerc file for Pine 3.89 DOES allow you to 'specify | incoming-folders other than INBOX that receive new messages'. The | keyword is 'incoming-folders' and the format is | incoming-folders= Yes it DOES but it DOESN'T allow you to SORT incoming messages. What it DOES allow you is to READ those sorted messages in separate incoming folders. Sridhar. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 03:19:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09752; Mon, 30 May 94 03:19:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11305; Mon, 30 May 94 03:08:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11297; Mon, 30 May 94 03:08:01 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 02:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) Subject: Re: Moderating a group Message-Id: References: <2s9959$ft0@midland.co.nz> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 09:19:11 GMT Roman Czyborra writes: | > I have set up a local group with myself as moderator and after | > posting a test message it gets sent to me. I was wondering how I now | > approve the messge and keep the original senders name etc intact? | | Wait for Pine 3.90 and then you can pipe the mail to some other | program that posts it, for instance: mail2news -a simon (ask archie | for the newsgate package). On second thought, don't wait that long | but use another agent in the meantime to prevent a mutiny against you. Though this is out of range of comp.mail.pine, I will point the archive for moderator software to the original poster: ftp.sterling.com: /moderators/ You should find a file (that I contributed) to use procmail for moderation tasks. All you need to do after writing up a procmail script is "inews -h < ". I have included some documentation in it. If Pine allows piping a message to a script, that would be a pretty useful addition for lots of things including moderation. Sridhar. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 04:08:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11099; Mon, 30 May 94 04:08:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11834; Mon, 30 May 94 03:44:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11828; Mon, 30 May 94 03:44:14 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 03:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: che@ludd.luth.se (Christer Ekholm) Subject: Re: some configuration questions/suggestions Message-Id: Date: 30 May 94 09:18:10 GMT References: In-Reply-To: dlm@cac.washington.edu's message of 26 May 94 18: 02:02 GMT In article dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) writes: > In your .pinerc file you could set, e.g. > > feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs No that is not what I want, I want the question asked, but vith a different default answer. > initial-keystroke-list=UP,UP Yes that works, thanks! > > --DLM > Christer Ekholm # che@ludd.luth.se # Lulea University Computer Society (Ludd),Sweden # ---------------- # From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 04:11:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11148; Mon, 30 May 94 04:11:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11945; Mon, 30 May 94 03:52:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11939; Mon, 30 May 94 03:52:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 03:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: che@ludd.luth.se (Christer Ekholm) Subject: Re: some configuration questions/suggestions Message-Id: Date: 30 May 94 09:40:10 GMT References: In-Reply-To: dlm@cac.washington.edu's message of 26 May 94 18: 02:02 GMT In article dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) writes: > In your .pinerc file you could set, e.g. > > feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs No that is not what I want, I want the question asked, but vith a different default answer. > initial-keystroke-list=UP,UP Yes that works, thanks! > > --DLM > Christer Ekholm # che@ludd.luth.se # Lulea University Computer Society (Ludd),Sweden # ---------------- # From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 09:23:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14751; Mon, 30 May 94 09:23:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26763; Mon, 30 May 94 09:13:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@relay.southampton.ac.uk,@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk:T.J.Chown@ecs.southampton.ac.uk> Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26757; Mon, 30 May 94 09:13:20 -0700 Via: uk.ac.southampton.relay; Mon, 30 May 1994 17:13:08 +0100 Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (root@localhost) by mail.soton.ac.uk (8.6.4/2.12) with NIFTP id RAA01159 for pine-info%cac.washington.edu@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay; Mon, 30 May 1994 17:05:33 +0100 Via: marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 30 May 94 17:09:19 BST From: Tim Chown Message-Id: <6716.9405301622@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 17:22:53 +0100 (BST) X-Phone: +44 703 593257/593270 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 12 unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 10:07:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15230; Mon, 30 May 94 10:07:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27405; Mon, 30 May 94 09:56:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from minnie.bell.inmet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27399; Mon, 30 May 94 09:56:50 -0700 Received: by minnie.bell.inmet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12797; Mon, 30 May 94 09:56:23 PDT Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Tarr Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted To: Jeff Bishop Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2sbo3l$5a6@news.acns.nwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 30 May 1994, Jeff Bishop wrote: > In article <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net>, > Paul Robinson wrote: > >Terry Gray wrote in > >as follows: > > >> Paul, Welcome (I think :) to the Pine list/newsgroup, and > >> congratulations on having the first and longest flame since the > >> creation of the newsgroup! > > Pointing out an obvious mistake in the program is hardly what I consider a > flame. MIME encryption should be an optional feature; to assume that every > receipient will have MIME-aware tools is a mistake, and Paul was right to > point that out. : Baloney - It is not an obvious mistake. Maybe you want an enhancement but the pine group has graciously supplied us with a nice mail program at no charge and doesn't deserve this kind of flak. The pine group has clearly stated their objectives and criteria for development and have delivered a good product meeting those objectives. The pine group is flexible and has modified their criteria over the last nine months that I have subscribed to the list, as a result of user requests. You may disagree with their objectives but if your request doesn't fit into the pine charter then build your own program instead of flameing the pine development team! I don't believe that the pine development team is in business to customize pine for every user for free. > > >> In the end, the decision was made to favor integrity over backward > >> compatibility. We considered the following issues: > > Integrity isn't worth much if the recipient can't read it. Pine may be a > popular program, but it isn't popular enough that we can automatically > assume that everyone we send email to will use it or even have it available > to them. If/when MIME becomes a universal standard, it will be reasonable > to make it automatic and drop ASCII altogether. Until then it makes a lot > more sense to allow file transmissions everyone else can read. > : Ditto the above comment. One can always use ^R if you want ASCII. The susprise to me was that uuencode has integrity problems but that being the case, I see no reason why pine should not make the break and make the default MIME. I gather that the pine team is open to considering enhancements that allow one to send attachments using methods other than pine but, if I understand the pine charter correctly, every enhancement pushes the pine mailer further from the stated objective of keeping the program simple for the new or novice user. Give the pine team some credit. I think they have done a good job balancing requirements and "power" user wishes and from the mail messages I see posted thay are certainly open to suggestions. CHEERS from Paul Tarr (pwt@minnie.bell.inmet.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 10:32:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15575; Mon, 30 May 94 10:32:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27844; Mon, 30 May 94 10:23:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from babel.ling.nwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27838; Mon, 30 May 94 10:23:02 -0700 Received: by babel.ling.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-DSS-1.04) id AA10232; Mon, 30 May 94 12:22:55 CDT Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 12:22:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Bishop Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted To: Paul Tarr Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 May 1994, Paul Tarr wrote: > > Pointing out an obvious mistake in the program is hardly what I consider a > > flame. MIME encryption should be an optional feature; to assume that every > > receipient will have MIME-aware tools is a mistake, and Paul was right to > > point that out. > > : Baloney - It is not an obvious mistake. Assuming that every recipient will have a particular format at their disposal is an obvious mistake. Most non-Pine users I know don't have MIME-aware tools and it is silly to pretend that they do. > Maybe you want an enhancement > but the pine group has graciously supplied us with a nice mail program at > no charge and doesn't deserve this kind of flak. If they didn't want "flak" they need not have established this list or pine-bugs. That they did implies that they are interested in knowing what aspects can stand improvement. > : Ditto the above comment. One can always use ^R if you want ASCII. The > susprise to me was that uuencode has integrity problems but that being the > case, I see no reason why pine should not make the break and make the > default MIME. No one objects to making MIME the default. It's the fact that the user cannot override it without loading the file into the editor which is annoying. Adding an override option to be specified in .pinerc would not interfere with this objective at all. > I gather that the pine team is open to considering > enhancements that allow one to send attachments using methods other than > pine but, if I understand the pine charter correctly, every enhancement > pushes the pine mailer further from the stated objective of keeping the > program simple for the new or novice user. See above. The novice user need not know the override option is available, while the power user would specifically enable it. To anyone who doesn't Pine would function exactly the way it does now. Hardly grounds for saying "write your own program" rather than fixing what's broke. > Give the pine team some > credit. I think they have done a good job balancing requirements and > "power" user wishes and from the mail messages I see posted thay are > certainly open to suggestions. Like labeling as "flames" any specific criticisms? Somehow that doesn't strike me as particularly "open." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 11:09:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15995; Mon, 30 May 94 11:09:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17947; Mon, 30 May 94 11:00:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17941; Mon, 30 May 94 11:00:30 -0700 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0q8BdT-0005KeC; Mon, 30 May 94 11:00 PDT Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.1.1.4) id AA17120; Mon, 30 May 1994 10:01:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: flat text man pages To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have a flat ASCII version of the man pages for PINE and PICO? Our attempts at de-roffing them has not met with as much sucess as desired. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.wimsey.com | |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 11:49:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16657; Mon, 30 May 94 11:49:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29148; Mon, 30 May 94 11:40:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29142; Mon, 30 May 94 11:40:53 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22585; Mon, 30 May 94 11:40:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray To: Jeff Bishop Cc: Paul Tarr , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 May 1994, Jeff Bishop wrote: > Pointing out an obvious mistake in the program is hardly what I consider a > flame. > > Like labeling as "flames" any specific criticisms? Somehow that doesn't > strike me as particularly "open." Jeff, My opening comment to Paul R. was meant humorously in the spirit of his own signature lines about being voted "Largest polluter... " I had thought one smiley in my sentence was sufficient, but I misjudged. Sorry about that. As to Base64 encoding of all attachments being "an obvious mistake in the program", we disagree. MIME mailers should be able to deliver attachments with the same robustness as FTP. This goal is best achieved with Base64. If you'd like to propose a new MIME type that explicitly conveys the intent that file integrity (and therefore C-T-E) doesn't matter, e.g. TEXT/APPROXIMATION, then we would have some common ground... but helping recipients get MIME-capable s/w --which they are going to need for other things anyway-- seems like a better place to invest effort. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 12:47:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17487; Mon, 30 May 94 12:47:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00223; Mon, 30 May 94 12:38:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from babel.ling.nwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00217; Mon, 30 May 94 12:38:50 -0700 Received: by babel.ling.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-DSS-1.04) id AA10413; Mon, 30 May 94 14:38:47 CDT Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 14:38:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Bishop Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted To: Terry Gray Cc: Paul Tarr , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 May 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > If you'd like to propose a new MIME type that explicitly conveys the > intent that file integrity (and therefore C-T-E) doesn't matter, e.g. > TEXT/APPROXIMATION, That'd be fine, as long as it doesn't assume anything about the recipient's tools. Many, probably most file transmissions are text-based and an approximation would be fine. > then we would have some common ground... but helping > recipients get MIME-capable s/w --which they are going to need for other > things anyway-- seems like a better place to invest effort. No argument there - I'd be the last to argue that MIME capability should be dropped or even relegated to non-default status. This is why I suggested ASCII override as an option to be set in pine.conf or .pinerc, neither of which is likely to be tampered with by a novice user anyway. BTW - any particular reason why Pine doesn't allow a separate "Reply-to:" field? That too could be incorporated without confusing the newbies, either by adding it to the .pinerc options or by telling Pine to use the environmental variable REPLYTO. I know some will say "if you want that use Elm" but it seems like a few such changes to Pine would render Elm wholly redundant. _________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Bishop "I hate quotations. Tell me what Graduate Student you know." Department of Linguistics Northwestern University -Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 13:28:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18333; Mon, 30 May 94 13:28:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00993; Mon, 30 May 94 13:20:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00984; Mon, 30 May 94 13:20:16 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23622; Mon, 30 May 94 13:20:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 13:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jeff Bishop Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply-to: header (and 3.90 sked) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Wise-Saying: None Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 May 1994, Jeff Bishop wrote: > BTW - any particular reason why Pine doesn't allow a separate "Reply-to:" > field? That too could be incorporated without confusing the newbies, > either by adding it to the .pinerc options or by telling Pine to use the > environmental variable REPLYTO. Pine 3.90 will support customized headers, including Reply-To: We're hoping to have a beta version available by the end of June (that's "late spring" to us in Seattle :) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 14:44:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19419; Mon, 30 May 94 14:44:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21164; Mon, 30 May 94 14:36:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21158; Mon, 30 May 94 14:36:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 13:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: S220264@kub.nl (Rutger vd GeVEL) Subject: Re: RFI - news Date: 30 May 1994 10:48:17 GMT Message-Id: <2scg9h$a69@kubds1.kub.nl> References: In-Reply-To: dlm@cac.washington.edu's message of Fri, 27 May 1994 13:37:08 -0700 (PDT) In dlm@cac.washington.edu writes: > Pine 3.89 can be used as a news *reader* by setting the news-collections > variable in your .pinerc file and generating a .newsrc file with another > reader. Pine 3.90 will allow posting and subscription management. Very impressive! But I have a couple of questions: 1) When will Pine 3.90 available for the masses? 2) Will Pine support Metamail && || mailcap files? 3) Does Pine also include MIME support in the news-reader functionality? 4) Did Yehavi's VMS-port of Pine make it into 3.90 and again what about questions 2 and 3? Thanks in advance. Rutger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rutger S.J.A. van de GeVEL, Email: Rutger@kub.nl - MIME messages welcome. -- Student Information Management Science, Tilburg University, The Netherlands. PGP Public Key available via PGP public key mailservers. ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 15:08:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19685; Mon, 30 May 94 15:08:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02576; Mon, 30 May 94 15:00:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from aurora.cwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02570; Mon, 30 May 94 15:00:03 -0700 Received: from hydra.cwu.edu by AURORA.CWU.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #5569) id <01HCYD8LD3AO001IXP@AURORA.CWU.EDU>; Mon, 30 May 1994 14:59:57 PDT Received: from cluster.cwu.edu by cluster.cwu.edu (PMDF V4.3-8 #5569) id <01HCYD7YIZLC8ZEOPD@cluster.cwu.edu>; Mon, 30 May 1994 14:59:47 PDT Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 14:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Johnston Subject: Garbeled mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <01HCYD7YMQMQ8ZEOPD@cluster.cwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, I am using Pine 3.89 on a vax system. I sent a short test message with a signature file to myself and recieved exactly what I sent. BUT, when I sent a similar message to a local user on the system, she recieved what is below. Is this a "system" problem, or do I just have something screwy set-up in my .pinerc file? Thanks for any help you can give. - Mark - johnston@cwu.edu SSBkb24ndCBrbm93LCBJIGhhdmVuJ3Qgc3RhcnRlZCBvbiBpdCB5ZXQuICBJ ZiBpdCBpcyBlYXN5LCBpdCB3b3VsZG4ndCANCmh1cnQgbXkgZmVlbGluZ3Mg dGhvdWdoLg0KDQogIMnNzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N zc3NzcvNzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nuw0K ICC6ICBNYXJrIEpvaG5zdG9uICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICC6ICAgV2l0 aCBhbnkgZ2l2ZW4gcHJvZ3JhbTogICAgICAgICAgILoNCiAguiAgQ2VudHJh bCBXYXNoaW5ndG9uIFVuaXZlcnNpdHkgICAguiAgICAgT25jZSBydW5uaW5n LCBpdCBpcyBvYnNvbGV0ZS4gICC6DQogILogIFBob25lOiAoNTA5KSA5MjUt NDA2OSAgICAgICAgICAgILogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIFVua25vd24g LSAgICAgICAgug0KICC6ICBFLU1haWw6IGpvaG5zdG9uQGN3dS5lZHUgICAg ICAgICC6ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgILoN CiAgyM3Nzc3Nzc3Lzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nys3Nzc3N zc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Lzc3Nzc28DQogICAgICAgICAg uiAgQWxsIG9waW5pb25zLCBleHByZXNzZWQgb3IgaW1wbGllZCwgYXJlIGVu dGlyZWx5IG15IG93bi4gug0KICAgICAgICAgIMjNzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N zc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3NzbwN Cg== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 15:09:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19719; Mon, 30 May 94 15:09:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21536; Mon, 30 May 94 15:01:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21530; Mon, 30 May 94 15:01:50 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 14:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rak@netaxs.com (nobody special) Subject: Re: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? Date: 30 May 1994 20:52:08 GMT Message-Id: <2sdjlo$6gc@netaxs.com> References: <2s3amm$blp@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> <2s9pe5$6mc@news1.digex.net> Paul Robinson (tdarcos@access1.digex.net) wrote: : Kenneth Ruiz (uaceohrt@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote: : : Greetings... : : Perhaps this is a lame question, but how can l forward mail to multiple : : people without it listing *everyone* l've sent it to?!? : : I tried using a little command line prog but it wouldn't mail with an : : alias, and l can't change my chfn login name... : : Is there some way to do this in pine or a short command line program that : : *would* work? I think mine wouldn't work because lt used 'mail' or 'mailx' : : and lve read the online manuals yet lack lack the technical knowledge to : : really know what to do!! : You send the message using BCC: and that should - except where the system : lists all addressees, send it to them without identifying who got the : message. For them you might want to use either a bulk mailer or use : sendmail. Let me ask this: will the BCC field accept list aliases? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 15:20:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19823; Mon, 30 May 94 15:20:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02784; Mon, 30 May 94 15:13:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from madmacs.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02778; Mon, 30 May 94 15:13:41 -0700 Received: by madmacs.macarthur.uws.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23385; Tue, 31 May 1994 08:13:43 +1100 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 08:12:45 +22311043 (E ) From: Brian Kalabric Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 15:26:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19930; Mon, 30 May 94 15:26:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21792; Mon, 30 May 94 15:20:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21786; Mon, 30 May 94 15:19:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 14:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Moderating a group Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 23:18:24 +0200 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Wait for Pine 3.90 and then you can pipe the mail to some other > > program that posts it, for instance: mail2news -a simon > Sorry, The Pipe command in Pine 3.90 is for incoming messages only, not > outgoing.... That doesn't matter as long as it can pipe the entire message including the header. Submitted articles show up as incoming messages for the moderator. Simon wanted to approve submissions from within Pine. As I said, he will need a separate tool to reformat the header and publish it, and then he can use the pipe function. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 15:53:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20475; Mon, 30 May 94 15:53:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03323; Mon, 30 May 94 15:46:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03317; Mon, 30 May 94 15:46:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA19975; Mon, 30 May 1994 17:52:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 17:52:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Multiple mailing w/out mult. listing?!? To: nobody special Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2sdjlo$6gc@netaxs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 30 May 1994, nobody special wrote: > Let me ask this: will the BCC field accept list aliases? Yes. I do it all the time :-) ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or Blue Earth County -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 15:54:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20555; Mon, 30 May 94 15:54:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22271; Mon, 30 May 94 15:48:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22265; Mon, 30 May 94 15:48:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 15:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: che@ludd.luth.se (Christer Ekholm) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: 30 May 94 13:07:15 GMT Control: cancel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 16:37:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21297; Mon, 30 May 94 16:37:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22917; Mon, 30 May 94 16:30:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22911; Mon, 30 May 94 16:30:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: imgarten@access1.digex.net (Steve Imgarten) Subject: Re: Pine and ProComm + for windows Date: 30 May 1994 11:06:37 -0400 Message-Id: <2scvdt$rf9@access1.digex.net> References: <2s5te2$3e2@nigel.msen.com> <2s6e0a$hud@crl.crl.com> In article <2s6e0a$hud@crl.crl.com>, Len Harrison wrote: >User Unknown (galekwr@garnet.msen.com) wrote: > >: Is anyone familiar with capturing email messages from pine using procomm >: plus for windows? I am able to capture everything else successfully but on >: pine all I get is the first and last line of text...and blank space in >: between. Any ideas? Or am i going about this in the wrong way? >: Thanks >: galekwr@mail.msen.com >: Kurt Rosenkranz > >Why not just S)ave the mail you want to a folder/file? >If you just want a screen at a shot, cut it to the clipboard and then >paste it to a text editing app. You probably could write an aspect script >to do this if you do it a lot. >Procomm for Windows will not capture a Pine screen and if you check, you >will see it doesn't appear in the scrollback buffer either. > >len harrison >lenh@crl.com > Hmmm. Just captured this message and scrolled back to the original message using Procomm for Windows. I have no idea why this wouldn't work with others. Steve Imgarten From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 16:52:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21477; Mon, 30 May 94 16:52:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23245; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23239; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:27 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lmbutler@crl.com (Lawrence Butler) Subject: Reading, Saving, etc, with Compressed Folders Date: 30 May 1994 08:49:12 -0700 Message-Id: <2sd1to$j99@crl.crl.com> I like to compress (with gzip) my folders to save space. I was wondering if Pine will be able (or is able) to save and read articles in compressed folders? If not I think it would be a handy additional utility for Pine. Lawrence -- lbutler@lonestar.utsa.edu | "I do not know what expert judges would think about the intrinsic excellence or perfection of the object in question, but i do know that it pleases me to behold or contemplate.It may or may not be admirable in the judgment of experts, but I enjoy it nevertheless"-M.J.Adler From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 16:52:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21501; Mon, 30 May 94 16:52:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23237; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23231; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:25 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bcard@world.std.com (Bill Card) Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted Message-Id: References: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 15:38:47 GMT I used the "attachment" function for txt files when I was new at PINE. It seemed to make sense. Unfortunately, I did not know that MIME would be used, and neither did my correspondents. I got upset messages back, saying things like "please don't encode the attachments". So now I use ^R, and everyone is pleased. If MIME is to be the future standard, how do we all learn to use it? One posting mentions the documentation for PINE, which certainly ought to include a discussion of MIME. How can I get the documentation? bcard@world.std.com -- ---------------------------------------- Bill Card bcard@world.std.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 16:53:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21514; Mon, 30 May 94 16:53:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23229; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23223; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:22 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eratosth!calfeld@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Chris Alfeld) Subject: Re: Pine spelling checker user word list?...does one exist? Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 15:15:14 GMT Message-Id: <1994May30.151514.5992@math.utah.edu> References: <2s8rhc$f00@strauss.udel.edu> Thomas R Rocek (rocek@strauss.udel.edu) wrote: : I am using Unix pine, and our system has a spelling checker built in. I like : using it, but I haven't been able to figure out any way to store words : (like my name or e-mail address) that appear in every message...so each : time I use the checker, I have to tell it to ignore each of these words. : Is there a way of creating a user word list which the pine spelling checker : will recognize, so that it doesn't flag those words as misspelled? Thanks : a lot for any advice...Tom Rocek No, but what you can do is set the SPELL environmental variable to a spell checker (i.e. ispell) that uses user word lists. -- -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 16:53:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21550; Mon, 30 May 94 16:53:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23253; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23247; Mon, 30 May 94 16:45:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: awong@Emerald.tufts.edu (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) Subject: Re: Mailing lists in pine Message-Id: References: <2saiu1$5jj@clarknet.clark.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 18:22:19 GMT Michael J. O'Neill (mjoneill@clark.net) wrote: : Pine 3.89's .pinerc allows you to filter incoming mail to folders other : than INBOX. Can you tell us what specific lines you have to add? I don't quite understand what are you trying to say here... --Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:00:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21621; Mon, 30 May 94 17:00:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23359; Mon, 30 May 94 16:53:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23353; Mon, 30 May 94 16:53:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scottt@storm.cs.orst.edu (Scott Tzibra Leah) Subject: Re: instructions on using pine and filter Date: 30 May 1994 15:51:38 GMT Message-Id: <2sd22aINNa9u@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> References: <2s3hvpINN98p@flop.engr.orst.edu> Although there have been responses, to the question of sorting in-coming mail, none of them have really answered my own question. How do you use filter and pine, together, to sort in-coming mail? I, and others, would really be grateful for some help. :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:00:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21630; Mon, 30 May 94 17:00:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23367; Mon, 30 May 94 16:53:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23361; Mon, 30 May 94 16:53:10 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jww@crl.com (James Wilson) Subject: Inserted text doesn't format correctly Date: 30 May 1994 08:59:18 -0700 Message-Id: <2sd2gm$gkh@crl2.crl.com> When I paste some text in Pine (it is set with defaults except that I have the .sig at bottom enabled) my sig is embedded in the first couple of lines of the text and the text is formatted incorrectly. I don't have a problem with anything else. Any ideas what is wrong? Thanks! -- James Wilson, Atlanta, Georgia, USA jww@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:11:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22237; Mon, 30 May 94 17:11:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23540; Mon, 30 May 94 17:03:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23528; Mon, 30 May 94 17:03:26 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aztlan@netcom.com (Lorenzo Hinojosa) Subject: Re: Pine and ProComm + for windows Message-Id: References: <2s5te2$3e2@nigel.msen.com> <2s6e0a$hud@crl.crl.com> <2scvdt$rf9@access1.digex.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 16:08:41 GMT >In article <2s6e0a$hud@crl.crl.com>, Len Harrison wrote: >>User Unknown (galekwr@garnet.msen.com) wrote: >> >>: Is anyone familiar with capturing email messages from pine using procomm >>: plus for windows? I am able to capture everything else successfully but on >>: pine all I get is the first and last line of text...and blank space in >>: between. Any ideas? Or am i going about this in the wrong way? I would check my PCP+ settings. I capture my frequently and have never had a problem doing so. -- aztlan@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:11:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22261; Mon, 30 May 94 17:11:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23525; Mon, 30 May 94 17:03:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23517; Mon, 30 May 94 17:03:21 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 16:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ernie@s850.mwc.edu (ernest ackermann) Subject: User Guide for Pine ? Date: 30 May 1994 11:20:03 -0400 Message-Id: <2sd073INNf0v@s850.mwc.edu> I'd appreciate hearing about the availability of a user's guide for pine. We've been using it here for a few weeks and some relatively inexperienced users would liek to have a user's guide. -- ernie@oregano.mwc.edu Ernest C. Ackermann Department of Computer Science Mary Washington College Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5358 703 - 899 - 4031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:32:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22464; Mon, 30 May 94 17:32:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24077; Mon, 30 May 94 17:26:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24071; Mon, 30 May 94 17:26:18 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us (David Clark) Subject: pine & ^Z Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 14:39:36 GMT How do I enable the suspension feature in Pine. Previously when using elm I could hit ^Z at any time to pop me back to my unix prompt & drop elm into the background. When I do this in pine however I get a message telling me that suspension is not enabled & I should look in the help files for more info. Searches through my help files have not helped. Any help would be appreciatedl Thanks, David Clark clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:35:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22588; Mon, 30 May 94 17:35:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24113; Mon, 30 May 94 17:29:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from internal.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24107; Mon, 30 May 94 17:28:59 -0700 Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA06291; Tue, 31 May 94 08:25:12 +0800 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 08:25:11 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: Garbeled mail To: Mark Johnston Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <01HCYD7YMQMQ8ZEOPD@cluster.cwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 May 1994, Mark Johnston wrote: > I am using Pine 3.89 on a vax system. I sent a short test message with > a signature file to myself and recieved exactly what I sent. BUT, when > I sent a similar message to a local user on the system, she recieved what > is below. Is this a "system" problem, or do I just have something screwy > set-up in my .pinerc file? Thanks for any help you can give. What you see below is your .sig that has been encoded using base64 encoding. > SSBkb24ndCBrbm93LCBJIGhhdmVuJ3Qgc3RhcnRlZCBvbiBpdCB5ZXQuICBJ > ZiBpdCBpcyBlYXN5LCBpdCB3b3VsZG4ndCANCmh1cnQgbXkgZmVlbGluZ3Mg > dGhvdWdoLg0KDQogIMnNzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N Correct me if I am wrong but you used ^R to read in your .sig. Well, what happened is pine detected 8bit data in your message when you sent it. Thus it decided, correctly, that it should be encoded to ensure that it arrives at the destination intact. It was sent the same way when you sent it to yourself and to the other person. The only difference is you are using a MIME capable UA and the other person is not. When you read your message with pine it automatically decoded the base64 and displayed your .sig. If you look in your mail spool file you will see the same encoded data and not your .sig. Ed Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:41:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22689; Mon, 30 May 94 17:41:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24219; Mon, 30 May 94 17:34:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24213; Mon, 30 May 94 17:34:35 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: umward10@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca (Derek Ward) Subject: Re: pine & ^Z Date: 30 May 1994 16:50:42 GMT Message-Id: <2sd5h2$iuf@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: David Clark (clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us) wrote: : : : : How do I enable the suspension feature in Pine. Previously when using : elm I could hit ^Z at any time to pop me back to my unix prompt & drop : elm into the background. When I do this in pine however I get a : message : telling me that suspension is not enabled & I should look in the help : files for more info. Searches through my help files have not helped. Run Pine with the '-z' option (ie. "pine -z"). This enables it. : : Any help would be appreciatedl : : Thanks, : : David Clark : clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us : -- Derek Ward Computer Science III Co-Op U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:41:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22713; Mon, 30 May 94 17:41:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24211; Mon, 30 May 94 17:34:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24205; Mon, 30 May 94 17:34:29 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: RFI - news Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 16:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2scg9h$a69@kubds1.kub.nl> On 30 May 1994, Rutger vd GeVEL wrote: > 1) When will Pine 3.90 available for the masses? Target date is the Summer Solstice. > 2) Will Pine support Metamail && || mailcap files? Pine 3.90 will include mailcap support derived from Metamail 2.6. Most, but not all, types are supported. > 3) Does Pine also include MIME support in the news-reader functionality? Yes. > 4) Did Yehavi's VMS-port of Pine make it into 3.90 and again what about > questions 2 and 3? > Yehavi's VMS port has not yet been incorporated :( The major internal restructuring that has been taking place has made it very difficult to incorporate new ports in parallel with those changes. If Pine 3.90 is otherwise stable, I would expect a maintenance release just to incorporate fixes to ports we do not handle directly... > Thanks in advance. > Rutger > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rutger S.J.A. van de GeVEL, Email: Rutger@kub.nl - MIME messages welcome. -- > Student Information Management Science, Tilburg University, The Netherlands. > PGP Public Key available via PGP public key mailservers. ------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:50:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22816; Mon, 30 May 94 17:50:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24433; Mon, 30 May 94 17:43:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24427; Mon, 30 May 94 17:43:48 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Reading, Saving, etc, with Compressed Folders Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 16:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sd1to$j99@crl.crl.com> There is not currently a compressed folder driver for Pine, but it should be a nice weekend project for a reasonably proficient programmer... A conpressed folder driver is frequently requested, but so far not by our primary constituency, so it is not currently high on our priority list. We would be happy to include a contributed driver though... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 30 May 1994, Lawrence Butler wrote: > I like to compress (with gzip) my folders to save space. I was wondering > if Pine will be able (or is able) to save and read articles in compressed > folders? If not I think it would be a handy additional utility for Pine. > > > Lawrence > > -- > lbutler@lonestar.utsa.edu | "I do not know what expert judges would think > about the intrinsic excellence or perfection of the object in question, but > i do know that it pleases me to behold or contemplate.It may or may not be > admirable in the judgment of experts, but I enjoy it nevertheless"-M.J.Adler > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:51:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22861; Mon, 30 May 94 17:51:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24425; Mon, 30 May 94 17:43:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24419; Mon, 30 May 94 17:43:45 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tkircht@myhost.subdomain.domain () Subject: _tzname undfined on sgi Date: 30 May 1994 17:12:04 GMT Message-Id: <2sd6p4$17c@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at> I've been trying to build pine on a SGI Challenge running Irix 5.1.1, but 'build sgi' tells me: make args are "CC=cc" Making c-client library and mtest cc -O -cckr -Wf,-XNh2000 -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bsd/rsc cfe: Error: os_sgi.c, line 90: '_tzname' undefined; reoccurrences will not be r. _tzname[t->tm_isdst ? 1 : 0]); ---^ *** Error code 1 (bu21) and thus don't build pine (It does build pico, but nothing else) Any ideas out there? Thomas tkircht@fbch.tuwien.ac.at From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 17:51:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22869; Mon, 30 May 94 17:51:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24464; Mon, 30 May 94 17:45:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24458; Mon, 30 May 94 17:45:02 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mhotti@paju.oulu.fi (Marko Hotti) Subject: New version of PINE??? Date: 30 May 1994 16:46:02 GMT Message-Id: <2sd58a$rn4@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I believe the current version of Pine is 3.89. When will the next version (4.XX ???) be released? Another question: Is there a way to tag messages so that e.g. saving multiple messages to a folder would be easier? Elm handles this very elegantly. -=Mark=- mhotti@paju.oulu.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 18:09:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23148; Mon, 30 May 94 18:09:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24745; Mon, 30 May 94 18:03:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24739; Mon, 30 May 94 18:03:09 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jglassco@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (john glasscock) Subject: Suggestion for advice givers Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 17:18:11 GMT I would like to suggest that when someone is responding with advice to give correspondents on this (or any other list), where a modification is to be made on a file, that you specify the filename (and directory if it is not in the users root directory) the exact syntax of the command or modification to be made, ideally with the old line(s) and then the new line(s). This will help teach users what the effects of the modifications were, and should enable them to feel confident about what they are doing. Then, hopefully, there won't be angst and screwups to files that were not intended. -- John Glasscock jglassco@ucs.indiana.edu 100 N. Jefferson tel: 812-336-0246 Bloomington, IN 47408 Indiana University USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 18:25:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23282; Mon, 30 May 94 18:25:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24993; Mon, 30 May 94 18:18:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24987; Mon, 30 May 94 18:18:56 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mupton@moose.uvm.edu (Michael D. Upton) Subject: forwarding for a new email address Message-Id: <1994May30.172732.12186@emba.uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 17:27:32 GMT I am moving and will have a new email address in a few weeks. I already know what that address will be. I there any way for me to have any mail that is sent to me at my old address forwarded to me at the new address? Thanks Michael Upton mupton@moose.uvm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 18:25:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23288; Mon, 30 May 94 18:25:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25001; Mon, 30 May 94 18:19:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24995; Mon, 30 May 94 18:18:59 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 17:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hblacker@crl.com (Hal Blacker) Subject: Easy way to read WP file into Pine msg? Date: 30 May 1994 10:33:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2sd80h$q3b@crl.crl.com> Is there an easy way to read word-processing files into pine mail? I go through a multi-step process (outlined below). Even doing this, for some reason I often lose the last line or so of the file. This is what I do: 1. Save the wp51 file as ascii text. 2. Upload to server. 3. Convert to unix, using "dos2unix (filename) > (new filename)". This is necessary in order to get rid of ^M's. 4. Using ^R, I read the file into the message portion of letter. Even after all this, I seem to lose the last line or two, often, of the file. Yet if I "more" or "less" the uploaded file, it is complete. I get a message like "funny line at EOF" on pine. What does that mean? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. "Why this is so clear a 5 year old child : could understand it. (Run out and get me : Hal Blacker a 5 year old child, I can't make head nor : hblacker@crl.com tails of this)." - Groucho Marx : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 18:38:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23587; Mon, 30 May 94 18:38:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25217; Mon, 30 May 94 18:32:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25211; Mon, 30 May 94 18:32:53 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 18:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tmeush1@umbc.edu (Tim Meushaw) Subject: Re: New version of PINE??? Date: 30 May 1994 18:10:56 GMT Message-Id: <2sda7g$57j@news.umbc.edu> References: <2sd58a$rn4@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Marko Hotti (mhotti@paju.oulu.fi) wrote: : I believe the current version of Pine is 3.89. When will : the next version (4.XX ???) be released? I thought I read here a week or so ago that 3.90 was released already, and that was the newest version. Course, I could be wrong.... -- ------------------------ Timothy A. Meushaw (tmeush1@gl.umbc.edu) University of Maryland, Baltimore County "May whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 18:41:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23694; Mon, 30 May 94 18:41:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06137; Mon, 30 May 94 18:35:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from madmacs.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06129; Mon, 30 May 94 18:35:12 -0700 Received: by madmacs.macarthur.uws.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26831; Tue, 31 May 1994 11:35:11 +1100 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 11:34:35 +22311043 (E ) From: Brian Kalabric Subject: cancel b.kalabric@uws.edu.au To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 18:50:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23786; Mon, 30 May 94 18:50:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25443; Mon, 30 May 94 18:44:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25437; Mon, 30 May 94 18:44:01 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 18:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dale@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Dale Fraser) Subject: Re: Easy way to read WP file into Pine msg? Date: 30 May 1994 18:18:31 GMT Message-Id: <2sdaln$4v3@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <2sd80h$q3b@crl.crl.com> Hal Blacker (hblacker@crl.com) wrote: : Even after all this, I seem to lose the last line or two, often, of the : file. Yet if I "more" or "less" the uploaded file, it is complete. I : get a message like "funny line at EOF" on pine. What does that mean? : Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Remove the ^Z that is appearing at the end of the file. It should be on a line by itself. Dale -- Dale Fraser dale@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca STEM~Net, Training Assistant Voice: (709)737-8836 E-5036, Memorial University, St. John's Fax: (709)737-2179 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 19:20:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24173; Mon, 30 May 94 19:20:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06712; Mon, 30 May 94 19:11:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06706; Mon, 30 May 94 19:11:27 -0700 Received: by asso.etsmtl.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13701; Mon, 30 May 94 22:07:20 EDT Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 22:07:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Roy Subject: To: pine listserv Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII signoff pine lists From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 19:40:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24363; Mon, 30 May 94 19:40:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26130; Mon, 30 May 94 19:32:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26124; Mon, 30 May 94 19:32:45 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18766; Mon, 30 May 94 19:32:43 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 31 May 94 04:22:57+0200 Date: 31 May 94 04:22:57+0200 From: Pierre Roy Message-Id: <709759*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , pine listserv From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 19:40:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24387; Mon, 30 May 94 19:40:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26154; Mon, 30 May 94 19:33:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26148; Mon, 30 May 94 19:33:08 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 19:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dragon@csulb.edu (Brian Lo) Subject: Binary files in to Pine msg Date: 30 May 1994 19:35:24 GMT Message-Id: <2sdf5s$7is@garuda.csulb.edu> How do you read binaries, zip, exe, etc into pine message system? I want to do in the unix host system, I dial into. Sometime I find a file in a ftp site and want to e-mail to a friend. Also, I do uudecode file sent to on pine system. Note: I want to do it in unix system I dialing into, not on my PC and then upload it bit by bit. e-Mail Dragon@csulb.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 19:40:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24396; Mon, 30 May 94 19:40:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26138; Mon, 30 May 94 19:32:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26132; Mon, 30 May 94 19:32:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 19:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgraham@herbie.unl.edu (Johnny Angel) Subject: Automated Message return???? Date: 31 May 1994 02:07:17 GMT Message-Id: <2se64l$lnv@crcnis1.unl.edu> I'm not sure how it's done or with what, but through my sessmgr on my machine it has a way to do autamated message returns, is there any way that something like that could be done to pine?? -- )|( -------------------------------ooO--(o o)--Ooo-------------------------------- Johnny Angel (_) jgraham@herbie.unl.edu Sophomore University of Nebraska - Lincoln From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 19:40:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24435; Mon, 30 May 94 19:40:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26146; Mon, 30 May 94 19:33:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26140; Mon, 30 May 94 19:33:04 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 19:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbutt@cs.mun.ca (Jonathan Butt) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-Id: <1994May29.024435.29076@cs.mun.ca> References: <2s8agg$gi5@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 02:44:35 GMT If you've gotten this far, you obviouly know whatr the problem is. I'm printing to a canon BJC-600 From a pc. I'm using procomm plus for Windows as my comm prog. Any suggegtions? If I use the second choice, I believe that the printing goes to my default printer. Which is not where I am when I want to print. If there are any fixes, or solutions I would be glad to hear of them. Thanks in advance, Jonathan Butt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Jonathan D. Butt | "You don't need to be a rocket surgeon | | jbutt@garfield.cs.mun.ca | to figure that one out." -Don Cherry | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 20:13:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25054; Mon, 30 May 94 20:13:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26695; Mon, 30 May 94 20:07:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26689; Mon, 30 May 94 20:07:20 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 19:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vantage@ritz.mordor.com (Jason Guy) Subject: Re: forwarding for a new email address References: <1994May30.172732.12186@emba.uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 19:43:59 GMT Message-Id: Michael D. Upton (mupton@moose.uvm.edu) wrote: : I am moving and will have a new email address in a few weeks. I already : know what that address will be. I there any way for me to have any mail : that is sent to me at my old address forwarded to me at the new address? I just found this out recently: create a .forward file with the following line: And assign world-read privilges to it. Bingo. *----------------------------------* | Jason Guy -- Information PackRat | | sable@echonyc.com | "Challange the Assumption" | vantage@ritz.mordor.com | -- a wise man | sable69@aol.com | *----------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 20:42:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25284; Mon, 30 May 94 20:42:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27104; Mon, 30 May 94 20:36:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27098; Mon, 30 May 94 20:36:43 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 20:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz (Jonathan Chen) Subject: Re: Time stamps in SVR4 versions Date: 30 May 1994 21:37:35 +1200 Message-Id: <2scc4v$1h1@mip01.pinnacle.co.nz> References: In brian@asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca ("Brian P. Hampson") writes: >> On Thu, 12 May 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> > I am using pine3.89 on an Esix SVR4 machine. I have had a few >> > complaints from some of my users that I need help with. >> > >> > 2. When messages are sent from pine the date is wrong. It is something >> > like back in 1970. What would cause this? How can I correct the >> > problem? The date is properly set on the machine and standard mail and >> > elm seem to work fine. >> > >> >> This may be a problem in the rfc822_date() function in c-client >> (imap/non-ANSI/os_sv4.c) but we do not have any Esix systems available. Can >> anyone confirm/deny/fix this problem? >> >Using the DG/UX v5.4.2 and the SV4 build, all is fine with dates on >messages. I don't think it's a problem there. This problem exists when compiling under SVR4 environment on a MIPS running RISC/os 5.01. The fix is to edit the rfc822_date() function so that the call to tzset() is done *before* the call to localtime(). On RISC/os 5.01, tzset() apparently clears the structure returned from localtime(). ie : void rfc822_date (date) char *date; { int zone,dstnow; struct tm *t; time_t time_sec = time (0); /************************************* The following 2 lines must be swapped: t = localtime (&time_sec); /* convert to individual items */ tzset (); /* initialize timezone/daylight variables */ ***************************************/ tzset (); /* initialize timezone/daylight variables */ t = localtime (&time_sec); /* convert to individual items */ /* see if it is DST now */ dstnow = daylight && t->tm_isdst; /* get timezone value */ zone = - (dstnow ? altzone : timezone) / 60; /* and output it */ sprintf (date,"%s, %d %s %d %02d:%02d:%02d %+03d%02d (%s)", days[t->tm_wday],t->tm_mday,months[t->tm_mon],t->tm_year+1900, t->tm_hour,t->tm_min,t->tm_sec,zone/60,abs (zone) % 60, tzname[dstnow]); } -- Jonathan Chen | E-mail : jonc@pinnacle.co.nz #include | Voice : +64.9.489.7020 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 22:07:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26692; Mon, 30 May 94 22:07:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28372; Mon, 30 May 94 21:58:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28366; Mon, 30 May 94 21:58:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 21:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: raan@netcom.com (Ran Ever-Hadani) Subject: Re: RFI - news Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 04:16:33 GMT In David L Miller writes: >On 30 May 1994, Rutger vd GeVEL wrote: >> 1) When will Pine 3.90 available for the masses? >Target date is the Summer Solstice. Please forgive my ignorance, but what and when is Summer Solstice? -- Ran From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 22:36:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27040; Mon, 30 May 94 22:36:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28796; Mon, 30 May 94 22:29:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28790; Mon, 30 May 94 22:29:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 22:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw () Subject: PC-PINE & SLIP Date: 31 May 1994 05:22:54 GMT Message-Id: <2sehje$rkr@mall.sinica.edu.tw> Hello everyone, Is there anybody who has ever used PC-PINE packet driver version with a SLIP packet driver , such as SLIPPER, UMSLIP,etc ? I run PC-PINE with SLIPPER, and it simply hangs on 'opening INBOX...' screen. Am I doing anything wrong ? Yen-Wei Liu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 23:15:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27596; Mon, 30 May 94 23:15:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10561; Mon, 30 May 94 23:07:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10555; Mon, 30 May 94 23:07:37 -0700 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 31 May 1994 07:41:33 +0200 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA29343; Tue, 31 May 94 07:41:26 +0200 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 07:41:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: "M. Spohn" Subject: Re: flat text man pages To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try that: man pine | tr _ Y | tr '\010' Y | sed -e s/YY//g > pine.fine Greetings Martin Spohn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Universitaet Tuebingen Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Abteilung Netze Telefon: +49 7071 296970 Brunnenstrasse 27 SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de D-72074 Tuebingen X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 30 May 1994, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > Does anyone have a flat ASCII version of the man pages for PINE and PICO? > > Our attempts at de-roffing them has not met with as much sucess as desired. > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl3.wimsey.com | > |System Administration, hampson@wimsey.com | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > | | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 23:27:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27707; Mon, 30 May 94 23:27:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29651; Mon, 30 May 94 23:22:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29645; Mon, 30 May 94 23:22:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 23:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jop@laakeri.oulu.fi (Janne Puustinen) Subject: Re: pine & ^Z Date: 31 May 1994 05:45:40 GMT Message-Id: <2seiu4$og@ousrvr.oulu.fi> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit David Clark (clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us) wrote: > How do I enable the suspension feature in Pine. Previously when using > elm I could hit ^Z at any time to pop me back to my unix prompt & drop > elm into the background. When I do this in pine however I get a Simply add "enable-suspend" in feature-list variable in .pinerc file, located in your homedirectory. So, change that line to look like: feature-list=enable-suspend As you can see, that file is really nicely documented and you can probably find many other neat features in there. Hopefully this helps.. ++Janne --- Janne Puustinen ------------------------------------------------------ --- Syrjalankatu 11 A 212 ---------- E-mail: jop@me.oulu.fi -------------- --- FIN-40700 JYVASKYLA, FINLAND ---- Phone: +358 (9)41 295 211 (Work) --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon May 30 23:54:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27982; Mon, 30 May 94 23:54:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29991; Mon, 30 May 94 23:44:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29985; Mon, 30 May 94 23:44:37 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Mon, 30 May 94 23:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dgmac1@mdw083.cc.monash.edu.au (David Mackay) Subject: Personal Name Date: 31 May 1994 05:59:01 GMT Message-Id: <2sejn5$jah@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> I have a question about the personal-name option in Pine v3.07. I have changed the personal-name field in my .pinerc (personal-name=Highlander) and it works fine when sending mail. However, when looking through my sent-mail folder it reports the mail as having been sent to my personal-name rather than who the mail was actually sent to. Our uni network consists of 69 networked decstations (@mdw###.cc.monash....) We do not login to the same decstation every time. When I login to the same mdw as the mdw I was on when I sent the mail, the sent-mail folder works fine, however, when I am on a different mdw, all mail in the sent-mail folder reports being sent to my personal-name. e.g. If I login to mdw081 and send mail to Fred...then in the sent-mail folder it says 100 May 31 To:Fred (size) subject when I am still logged into mdw081 If I login to say mdw012 the sent-mail folder will say 100 May 31 Highlander (size) subject Anytime I log back into mdw081 all mail sent from there is fine, but from any other mdw it gives the above message. Is there any way I can ensure the sent-mail folder will report who the mail is actually sent to rather than displaying my personal-name? Thanks for your help. (I hope I made sense) -- / Highlander ######|===========================- \ There can be only one! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Procrastination is like masturbation....you're only screwing yourself! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 00:08:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28369; Tue, 31 May 94 00:08:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00345; Tue, 31 May 94 00:01:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from internal.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00331; Tue, 31 May 94 00:01:21 -0700 Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA08699; Tue, 31 May 94 15:01:09 +0800 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:01:08 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: PC-PINE & SLIP To: ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2sehje$rkr@mall.sinica.edu.tw> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 May 1994 ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw wrote: > Is there anybody who has ever used PC-PINE packet driver version with > a SLIP packet driver , such as SLIPPER, UMSLIP,etc ? > > I run PC-PINE with SLIPPER, and it simply hangs on 'opening INBOX...' > screen. Am I doing anything wrong ? > > Yen-Wei Liu I've used PC-PINE over SLIP using FTP Software's PC/TCP. I've had no problems. I don't know much about your configuration so it is hard to say what may be wrong. I did have some problems with configuration of the PC/TCP to work properly with the serial port on the PC....since I only have a 8550(?) UART. Maybe one of our folks here at the office can help. You can send mail to Frank.Hsu@twntpe.cdc.com. We are very "close" to you. Ed Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 00:56:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28960; Tue, 31 May 94 00:56:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01051; Tue, 31 May 94 00:49:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nuscc.nus.sg by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01045; Tue, 31 May 94 00:49:25 -0700 Received: from (moe.ac.sg [166.121.1.2]) by nuscc.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA25796 for ; Tue, 31 May 1994 15:49:22 +0800 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13581; Tue, 31 May 1994 15:47:13 --800 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:47:12 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Francis Ho Reply-To: Francis Ho Subject: unsubscribe To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 15 unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 01:40:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29746; Tue, 31 May 94 01:40:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01774; Tue, 31 May 94 01:35:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dxmint.cern.ch by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01768; Tue, 31 May 94 01:35:19 -0700 Received: from ecpdsharmony.cern.ch by dxmint.cern.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09273; Tue, 31 May 1994 10:35:15 +0200 Received: from work.cern.ch by ecpdsharmony.cern.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23168; Tue, 31 May 94 10:35:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 31 May 94 10:35:12 +0200 From: amills@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch (Adrian Mills) Message-Id: <9405310835.AA23168@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 02:32:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00509; Tue, 31 May 94 02:32:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02432; Tue, 31 May 94 02:26:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02426; Tue, 31 May 94 02:26:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 02:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cyho@unixg.ubc.ca (Catherina Ho) Subject: binary codes Date: 31 May 1994 08:59:00 GMT Message-Id: <2seu8k$icr@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> i have a question: my friend was trying to talk to me from her computer and she signalled me to talk but all i could see was a whole bunch of binary figures keeping on moving. I tried to exit and get into unix but i just could not do that. I couldn't hang up as well. does anybody know how to deal w/ that? also, do i have to get into unix everytime i wanna talk to somebody? thanx in advance!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 03:02:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00918; Tue, 31 May 94 03:02:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02883; Tue, 31 May 94 02:54:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02877; Tue, 31 May 94 02:54:16 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 02:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bradleym@netcom.com (Bradley) Subject: Re: =20 Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 09:21:54 GMT David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > Q-P encoding will not be triggered for line length unless it exceeds the=20 > RFC822 limit (1000 chars?). The composer wordwraps at 75 chars, but=20 > there is currently no way to force a limit... What's really funny is, your whole post had the =20 problem. And you're THE Pine man. :) Bradley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- '66 Kombi | Gimme my old cars any day | ,__o '65 Chevelle | but, | _-\_<, '88 Ritchey | I need a new bike! | (*)/'(*) bradleym@netcom.com finger for PGP public key Hayward, CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 03:20:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01264; Tue, 31 May 94 03:20:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03184; Tue, 31 May 94 03:13:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03178; Tue, 31 May 94 03:13:53 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 02:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: =20 Date: 31 May 1994 09:55:04 GMT Message-Id: <2sf1ho$bn5@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, bradleym@netcom.com (Bradley) says: >David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > >> Q-P encoding will not be triggered for line length unless it exceeds the=20 >> RFC822 limit (1000 chars?). The composer wordwraps at 75 chars, but=20 >> there is currently no way to force a limit... > > >What's really funny is, your whole post had the =20 problem. And you're >THE Pine man. :) David's article was generated by Pine using Pico's automatic word- wrapping, which leaves a space at the end of each line. Normally, this does not trigger quoted-printable encoding, but as the message text quoted following David's post contained a .signature with 8-bit data, that 8-bit data triggered Q-P encoding, making the spaces visible as the =20 hexadecimal MIME sequence. Had David not included the 8-bit .signature in the quoted text, this Q-P encoding would not have appeared. However, in any mail sent out with 8-bit characters, quoted-printable encoding will be used, rendering the end-of-line spaces visible. -- Barry Bouwsma, back in Michigan, wishes he were in Europe MIME mail to , ASCII text to Unemployed System Cracker and Unix Administrator, seeking work, food, warmth, companionship, free airline tickets, and lots of money From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 04:33:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02814; Tue, 31 May 94 04:33:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04404; Tue, 31 May 94 04:26:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04394; Tue, 31 May 94 04:25:43 -0700 Received: from tellus.csc.fi by pobox.csc.fi with SMTP id AA23938 (5.65c8+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 31 May 1994 14:19:57 +0300 Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10946; Tue, 31 May 94 14:19:56 +0300 Message-Id: <9405311119.AA10946@tellus.csc.fi> To: jww@crl.com (James Wilson) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Inserted text doesn't format correctly In-Reply-To: Your message of "30 May 1994 08:59:18 PDT." <2sd2gm$gkh@crl2.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 14:19:56 +0300 From: Pekka Kytolaakso I have seen the same problem. It happens when the program you paste from uses LF (^J) to mark end of line instead of CR (^M). I have seen this with SGI xwsh and in some PC/Mac terminal programs. I have no good suggestion on how to avoid this. Pekka Kyt|laakso Your message dated: 30 May 1994 08:59:18 PDT > When I paste some text in Pine (it is set with defaults except > that I have the .sig at bottom enabled) my sig is embedded in the first > couple of lines of the text and the text is formatted incorrectly. I > don't have a problem with anything else. Any ideas what is wrong? > Thanks! > > -- > James Wilson, Atlanta, Georgia, USA jww@crl.com --------------------------------------------------------------- netmgr@tellus.csc.fi CSC - Tieteellinen laskenta Pekka.Kytolaakso@csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4571 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 05:06:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03214; Tue, 31 May 94 05:06:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15649; Tue, 31 May 94 04:58:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sunstel.asu.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15643; Tue, 31 May 94 04:58:12 -0700 Received: by sunstel.asu.cas.cz (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22178; Tue, 31 May 94 13:57:30 +0200 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:57:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: Petr Skoda Subject: verbose connection in Pine 3.90 ? To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sometimes it is necessary to watch the process of sending mail (you are not sure with the correct address, a lot of gateways between etc.). In normal ucbmail I have the option of verbose -v which forces sendmail to deliver in verbose mode. Would it be possible to incorporate this possibility in PINE (on key e.g. CTRL- SHFT- X )? (like send and Send). ************************************************************************* * Petr Skoda Phone : +42-204-85201, ext. 361 * * Stellar Department +42-204-857361,857136 * * Astronomical Institute CAS Fax : +42-2-881611 * * 251 65 Ondrejov e-mail: skoda@sunstel.asu.cas.cz * * Czech Republic aststel@csearn.bitnet * ************************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 05:15:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03308; Tue, 31 May 94 05:15:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04998; Tue, 31 May 94 05:05:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ericir.syr.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04992; Tue, 31 May 94 05:05:47 -0700 Received: by ericir.syr.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA23183; Tue, 31 May 94 08:06:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 08:06:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Virtual Dave Lankes Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please unsubscribe me. Sorry to post this to the list, but I can't seem to find any other way to do this. I'm of to my honeymoon for two weeks and already have too much mail. ........................................................... : "Virtual" Dave Lankes rdlankes@ericir.syr.edu : : AskERIC Researcher "This is not your father's Internet" : : School of Information Studies Syracuse University : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 05:47:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03821; Tue, 31 May 94 05:47:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16320; Tue, 31 May 94 05:40:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16314; Tue, 31 May 94 05:40:28 -0700 Received: from ratufa by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA23966 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 31 May 1994 14:40:25 +0200 Received: by ratufa.unisys.nl ( Smail3.1.25.1 #25.8) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 10:01 MET Received: by supnews.unisys.nl ( Smail3.1.25.1 #25.9) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 10:01 WET Received: by sup001.unisys.nl ( Smail3.1.25.1 #25.7) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 09:53 MET Message-Id: Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 09:53:16 +0100 (MET) From: "Paul P. Kolk" From: ppk@support.unisys.nl Reply-To: ppk@support.unisys.nl Organisation: UNIX Support X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 931 unsubscribe ppk@sup5050.unisys.nl _ _(_)_ __________________ooO (o o) Ooo________________________________________________ 0 DISCLAIMER: This statement is not an official statement from, nor does it represent an official position of, Unisys Nederland N.V =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul P. Kolk | Telephone: +31 20 5657758 Unisys Nederland NV | Telefax : +31 2503 20239 CSE Unix Support | E-mail : ppk@support.unisys.nl Hoogoorddreef 11 | NET2 : 770 7758 1101 BA Amsterdam | /\_/\ The Netherlands | (o o) --------------------------------------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 05:57:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03930; Tue, 31 May 94 05:57:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05645; Tue, 31 May 94 05:49:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bruny.cc.utas.edu.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05637; Tue, 31 May 94 05:49:01 -0700 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA11207; Tue, 31 May 1994 22:46:17 +1000 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 22:44:23 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: RFI - news To: Ran Ever-Hadani Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 May 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: > In David L Miller writes: > >On 30 May 1994, Rutger vd GeVEL wrote: > >> 1) When will Pine 3.90 available for the masses? > >Target date is the Summer Solstice. > Please forgive my ignorance, but what and when is Summer Solstice? Well, in December around the 24th according to my calendar, but I think, as far as I am concerned, he means the Winter Solstice - June 24th. I'm certainly not swimming at present :-) Cheers John _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 06:05:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04229; Tue, 31 May 94 06:05:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05765; Tue, 31 May 94 05:57:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05759; Tue, 31 May 94 05:57:27 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 05:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov (John Burton) Subject: Re: Reply and Signature Placement Date: 31 May 1994 12:07:24 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994May27.161839.27960@sol.UVic.CA> In-Reply-To: tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA's message of Fri, 27 May 94 16:18:39 GMT In article <1994May27.161839.27960@sol.UVic.CA> tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA (Thomas Fletcher) writes: Hello all, Allright, I will admit it I love Pine. However despite this new devotion to the mail/editor package I have one small pet peeve. I would like that when I reply to a message and choose to include the old message in the reply it ends up below my signature file. I would like to change this so that the signature is the last thing to come up. Right now I manually delete it and then import it at the end. This is not a solution ... just a way to avoid the problem. Ummm...perhaps I missed something here, but why don't you just edit the "feature-list" field of your .pinerc file (configuration file) so that pine places the signature at the bottom of your message? i.e. : feature-list=signature-at-bottom People often also use the feature called "old-growth" that has a lot of previous version compatibility stuff...My feature-list looks like feature-list=old-growth,signature-at-bottom John -- -- John Burton jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov G & A Technical Software, Inc. jcburt@gats486.larc.nasa.gov 28 Research Dr. Hampton, Va. 23666 (804) 865-7491 (voice) (804) 865-1021 (fax) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 06:13:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04385; Tue, 31 May 94 06:13:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05893; Tue, 31 May 94 06:03:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05887; Tue, 31 May 94 06:03:32 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 05:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chip@clark.net (Chip Davis) Subject: I want RichText by default Date: 31 May 1994 00:01:57 GMT Message-Id: <2sdupl$fi1@clarknet.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to get Pine always to present me with a RichText header in Compose? I save outgoing mail in different folders using Fcc:, which means I have to ^R every time. Thanks, -Chip- chip@clark.net - Rexx Language Association member - Trying out for Team OS/2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 06:28:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04489; Tue, 31 May 94 06:28:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16992; Tue, 31 May 94 06:21:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16986; Tue, 31 May 94 06:21:04 -0700 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA21499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 31 May 1994 09:21:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 May 94 9:21:02 EDT From: Joe Brennan Subject: Re: Acknowledgements of mails In-Reply-To: Your message of 28 May 1994 07:55:54 GMT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: > Is there any way that I can send a mail to someone and know that he/she > has received the mail and the time that he/she received the mail? In the message text, put the words "Let me know whether you got this message", and usually you get a message back from the person. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 06:42:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04802; Tue, 31 May 94 06:42:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06450; Tue, 31 May 94 06:35:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06444; Tue, 31 May 94 06:35:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 06:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmlois@outreach.its.mcw.edu (Dean Lois) Subject: ROT 13 Date: 31 May 1994 12:50:26 GMT Message-Id: <2sfbqi$p2r@post.its.mcw.edu> Does anyone know if there is a way to unrotate newsgroup articles that are mailed to you? I've got several saved in a folder and can't figure out how to unrotate them. Thanks, Dean M. Lois dmlois@outreach.its.mcw.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 09:41:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09537; Tue, 31 May 94 09:41:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10231; Tue, 31 May 94 09:31:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10200; Tue, 31 May 94 09:30:59 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 08:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: RFI - news Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 31 May 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: > In David L Miller writes: > > Please forgive my ignorance, but what and when is Summer Solstice? > First day of summer. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 09:59:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10106; Tue, 31 May 94 09:59:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10713; Tue, 31 May 94 09:48:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10707; Tue, 31 May 94 09:48:03 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 09:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: I want RichText by default Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 09:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sdupl$fi1@clarknet.clark.net> This will be possible in Pine 3.90. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 May 1994, Chip Davis wrote: > Is there any way to get Pine always to present me with a RichText header > in Compose? I save outgoing mail in different folders using Fcc:, which > means I have to ^R every time. > Thanks, > > -Chip- > chip@clark.net - Rexx Language Association member - Trying out for Team OS/2 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 10:00:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10133; Tue, 31 May 94 10:00:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10705; Tue, 31 May 94 09:48:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10699; Tue, 31 May 94 09:47:57 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 09:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Personal Name Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 08:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sejn5$jah@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> If mail to dgmac1@cc.monash.edu.au will be delivered to you, try setting "use-only-domain-name=yes" or "user-domain=cc.monash.edu.au" in your .pinerc file. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 May 1994, David Mackay wrote: > > I have a question about the personal-name option in Pine v3.07. > I have changed the personal-name field in my .pinerc > (personal-name=Highlander) and it works fine when sending mail. However, > when looking through my sent-mail folder it reports the mail as having > been sent to my personal-name rather than who the mail was actually sent > to. Our uni network consists of 69 networked decstations > (@mdw###.cc.monash....) We do not login to the same decstation every > time. When I login to the same mdw as the mdw I was on when I sent the > mail, the sent-mail folder works fine, however, when I am on a different > mdw, all mail in the sent-mail folder reports being sent to my > personal-name. > > e.g. If I login to mdw081 and send mail to Fred...then in the sent-mail > folder it says > > 100 May 31 To:Fred (size) subject > > when I am still logged into mdw081 > > If I login to say mdw012 the sent-mail folder will say > > 100 May 31 Highlander (size) subject > > Anytime I log back into mdw081 all mail sent from there is fine, but > from any other mdw it gives the above message. Is there any way I can > ensure the sent-mail folder will report who the mail is actually sent to > rather than displaying my personal-name? > > Thanks for your help. (I hope I made sense) > -- > > / Highlander > ######|===========================- > \ There can be only one! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Procrastination is like masturbation....you're only screwing yourself! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 10:10:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10565; Tue, 31 May 94 10:10:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21718; Tue, 31 May 94 09:59:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from toon.ctp.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21712; Tue, 31 May 94 09:59:21 -0700 Received: from punch.ctp.com by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA01773; Tue, 31 May 94 13:00:14 EDT Received: by punch.ctp.com (16.6/DA.WS.1.0.5) id AA24892; Tue, 31 May 94 12:59:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 12:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mahfood Subject: Results from polling? When? To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have the results from the polling for the institution of a newsgroup for pine come through yet? And how long will the setup take, do you think? Just asking cos I'm curious to see what the progress is... **************************************************************************** ! Bruce Mahfood bmahf@ctp.com ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! **************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 10:25:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11002; Tue, 31 May 94 10:25:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11425; Tue, 31 May 94 10:12:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11419; Tue, 31 May 94 10:12:14 -0700 Received: by helix.nih.gov (931110.SGI/1.35(big_sgi-1.0)) id AA20078; Tue, 31 May 94 13:10:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:10:30 +0059 (EDT) From: Rick Troxel Subject: Re: _tzname undfined on sgi To: tkircht@fbch.tuwien.ac.at Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2sd6p4$17c@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 30 May 1994 tkircht@fbch.tuwien.ac.at wrote: > I've been trying to build pine on a SGI Challenge running Irix 5.1.1, > but 'build sgi' tells me: > make args are "CC=cc" > > Making c-client library and mtest > cc -O -cckr -Wf,-XNh2000 -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bsd/rsc > cfe: Error: os_sgi.c, line 90: '_tzname' undefined; reoccurrences will not be r. > _tzname[t->tm_isdst ? 1 : 0]); > ---^ > *** Error code 1 (bu21) > > and thus don't build pine (It does build pico, but nothing else) > > Any ideas out there? I made the following mods in building pine on a kindred system. I believe these are all known to the Pine team. BTW, you should check your mail configuration. Your return address was given as tkircht@myhost.subdomain.domain. *** imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_sgi.c.ORIG Mon Dec 6 11:22:25 1993 --- imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_sgi.c Tue Feb 22 16:06:30 1994 *************** *** 87,93 **** sprintf (date,"%s, %d %s %d %02d:%02d:%02d %+03d%02d (%s)", days[t->tm_wday],t->tm_mday,months[t->tm_mon],t->tm_year+1900, t->tm_hour,t->tm_min,t->tm_sec,zone/60,abs(zone)%60, ! _tzname[t->tm_isdst ? 1 : 0]); } ^L /* Get a block of free storage --- 87,93 ---- sprintf (date,"%s, %d %s %d %02d:%02d:%02d %+03d%02d (%s)", days[t->tm_wday],t->tm_mday,months[t->tm_mon],t->tm_year+1900, t->tm_hour,t->tm_min,t->tm_sec,zone/60,abs(zone)%60, ! tzname[t->tm_isdst ? 1 : 0]); } ^L /* Get a block of free storage *************** *** 408,414 **** dup2 (pipeo[0],0); /* parent's output is my input */ close (pipeo[0]); close (pipeo[1]); /* now run it */ ! execl ("/usr/ucb/rsh","rsh",hostname,"exec",service,0); _exit (1); /* spazzed */ } ^L --- 408,414 ---- dup2 (pipeo[0],0); /* parent's output is my input */ close (pipeo[0]); close (pipeo[1]); /* now run it */ ! execl (RSHPATH,"rsh",hostname,"exec",service,0); _exit (1); /* spazzed */ } ^L *** pine/ttyout.c.ORIG Wed Sep 29 18:34:07 1993 --- pine/ttyout.c Tue Mar 1 11:48:09 1994 *************** *** 132,138 **** *_scrollregion, *_scrollup, *_scrolldown, *_termcap_init, *_termcap_end; static int _lines, _columns; ! char termname[40]; #ifndef USE_TERMINFO static char _terminal[1024]; /* Storage for terminal entry */ static char _capabilities[1024]; /* String for cursor motion */ --- 132,138 ---- *_scrollregion, *_scrollup, *_scrolldown, *_termcap_init, *_termcap_end; static int _lines, _columns; ! char term_name[40]; #ifndef USE_TERMINFO static char _terminal[1024]; /* Storage for terminal entry */ static char _capabilities[1024]; /* String for cursor motion */ *************** *** 183,190 **** *tt = NULL; ttnm = getenv ("TERM"); if (!ttnm) return -1; ! strcpy (termname, ttnm); ! setupterm (termname, 1 /* (ignored) */, &err); switch (err) { case -1 : return -3; case 0 : return -2; --- 183,190 ---- *tt = NULL; ttnm = getenv ("TERM"); if (!ttnm) return -1; ! strcpy (term_name, ttnm); ! setupterm (term_name, 1 /* (ignored) */, &err); switch (err) { case -1 : return -3; case 0 : return -2; *************** *** 230,239 **** *tt = NULL; if (getenv("TERM") == NULL) return(-1); ! if (strcpy(termname, getenv("TERM")) == NULL) return(-1); ! if ((err = tgetent(_terminal, termname)) != 1) return(err-2); ttyo = (struct ttyo *)fs_get(sizeof (struct ttyo)); --- 230,239 ---- *tt = NULL; if (getenv("TERM") == NULL) return(-1); ! if (strcpy(term_name, getenv("TERM")) == NULL) return(-1); ! if ((err = tgetent(_terminal, term_name)) != 1) return(err-2); ttyo = (struct ttyo *)fs_get(sizeof (struct ttyo)); *************** *** 302,308 **** return(-4); } ! dprint(1, (debugfile, "Terminal type: %s\n", termname)); /*------ Figure out scrolling mode -----*/ if(_scrollregion != NULL && _scrollregion[0] != '\0' && --- 302,308 ---- return(-4); } ! dprint(1, (debugfile, "Terminal type: %s\n", term_name)); /*------ Figure out scrolling mode -----*/ if(_scrollregion != NULL && _scrollregion[0] != '\0' && *** pine/ttyin.c.ORIG Wed Nov 17 20:44:19 1993 --- pine/ttyin.c Tue Mar 1 11:50:02 1994 *************** *** 820,826 **** ! extern char termname[]; /* termname from ttyout.c-- affect keyboard*/ /* ------------------------------------------------------------------- Set up the keyboard -- usually enable some function keys (UNIX) --- 820,826 ---- ! extern char term_name[]; /* term_name from ttyout.c-- affect keyboard*/ /* ------------------------------------------------------------------- Set up the keyboard -- usually enable some function keys (UNIX) *************** *** 836,842 **** init_keyboard(use_fkeys) int use_fkeys; { ! if(use_fkeys && (!strucmp(termname,"vt102") || !strucmp(termname,"vt100"))) printf("\033\133\071\071\150"); } --- 836,843 ---- init_keyboard(use_fkeys) int use_fkeys; { ! if(use_fkeys && \ ! (!strucmp(term_name,"vt102") || !strucmp(term_name,"vt100"))) printf("\033\133\071\071\150"); } *************** *** 854,860 **** end_keyboard(use_fkeys) int use_fkeys; { ! if(use_fkeys && (!strcmp(termname, "vt102") || !strcmp(termname, "vt100"))){ printf("\033\133\071\071\154"); fflush(stdout); } --- 855,862 ---- end_keyboard(use_fkeys) int use_fkeys; { ! if(use_fkeys && \ ! (!strcmp(term_name, "vt102") || !strcmp(term_name, "vt100"))){ printf("\033\133\071\071\154"); fflush(stdout); } -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 10:41:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11720; Tue, 31 May 94 10:41:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11820; Tue, 31 May 94 10:28:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11814; Tue, 31 May 94 10:28:12 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 09:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mramey@u.washington.edu (Mike Ramey) Subject: Re: Pine spelling checker user word list? HOW TO DO IT ! (long) Date: 31 May 1994 16:40:23 GMT Message-Id: <2sfp9n$8au@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2s8rhc$f00@strauss.udel.edu> <1994May30.151514.5992@math.utah.edu> >Thomas R Rocek (rocek@strauss.udel.edu) wrote: >: I am using Unix pine, and our system has a spelling checker built in. I like >: using it, but I haven't been able to figure out any way to store words >: (like my name or e-mail address) that appear in every message...so each >: time I use the checker, I have to tell it to ignore each of these words. >: Is there a way of creating a user word list which the pine spelling checker >: will recognize, so that it doesn't flag those words as misspelled? Thanks >: a lot for any advice...Tom Rocek I hope the following information is correct and helpful. It is a summary of email messages over several months. --Mike Ramey ---------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Pine & ispell - alternate spell-checker. I hope the following is an accurate summary of the ways you can use ispell with pine. Please correct as necessary. I think we should have a pine FAQ, and this should go in it. -mr From: Alan Robert Clark > > Surely a FAQ..... How do I get pine to speak to ispell ?? From: David L Miller > The simple way to do this is to do this is to set your alternate-editor > to ispell, then '^_' in the composer magically becomes ispell. From: Mike Ramey - Set 'editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell' in your '.pinerc' file. - See 'man ispell' for more information on the ispell program. Now, when you press ^_ (^-) in pine, you will execute the 'ispell' program in its native mode. Press "?" for help. Press "I" to insert unknown words into the personal dictionary. You can still press ^T to use the standard pine spell-checking program (which will -not- use your personal dictionary). From: David L Miller Pine already checks the SPELL environment variable. I notice that someone posted a shell script that allows ispell to be used like spell, ... From: Mike Grupenhoff I'm not sure this is the correct way, but I just created the following script and named it "spell." #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq It pretty much mimics spell's behavior. Of course, there's probably a better way, but this has worked for me. From: Mike Ramey To make ^T in pine use 'ispell' and your '$HOME/.ispell_words' dictionary: - make the above script file 'spell' in your home directory - make it executable: 'chmod u+x spell' - set the environment variable SPELL: 'setenv SPELL $HOME/spell' (you may include this command in your .cshrc or .login file) Now, when you press ^T in pine, you will execute the 'ispell' program, and it will recognize words stored in the private dictionary. The screen display will look like pine is using the standard spell-checking program. Unfortunately, this method does not allow the user to "I"nsert words into the private dictionary. However, this might be useful with a central script file (setenv SPELL ...) and a central private dictionary (ispell -p ...) to provide a common private dictionary for an entire workgroup. The manager could add items to the private dictionary; ordinary pine users would use the private dictionary (^T), but they could not change it. ------------------------ From: Norman Friedman Please explain the "ispell" to us computer illiterates who use Pine because it is so simple. Thanks, Norm From: Henry Kuo Where can I get ispell? From: Mike Brudenell ...As long as people who don't use ispell aren't overlooked! There is something positive to be said for using a "standard utility" that is present on virtually every UNIX system under the sun as against some optional software that MAY have been installed. Mike Brudenell ---------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 06:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? Well, maybe I'm the computer illiterate; I didn't realize that 'ispell' is not available on every unix system. It certainly would be helpful if users could add words to the spell-check dictionary. I get tired of being told that weekday abbreviations are spelled wrong, and my last name, and 'diskette', 'telnet', [ See P.S. below; spell error is reported here. ] 'email'(!), etc. I can see the advantage of using a standard unix utility (spell). Is 'ispell' hard to obtain & install? Is it worth building 'ispell' hooks into pine? In the meantime ... If ispell is installed on your system, andif you want to use it (so you can add words to the spelling dictionary), follow the detailed instructions in my earlier summary message describing how to: (1) use ispell in native mode (via the ^_ key), and (2) use ispell in pine mode (via the ^T key and an executable script file). If you missed that message, let me know and I will send or repost it. If you have any corrections to that message, please let me know. Thanks to all who explained the details of ispell. I like it! P.S.: In spell-checking this message (using 'spell' via ^T key), I discovered the following anomaly: - the following 1 line produces 3 spelling errors: and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. - the following 3 lines produce -no- spelling errors: 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. BUT WAIT ... If you spell check this message just as it is before you, the three errors (email, diskette, telnet) will be reported in the list at the top of the message, BUT ... if you remove this P.S. and run the spell-check again, NO ERRORS will be reported! SO ... the errors are being -found- in the sentence: ... and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. but the errors are being -reported- at the first occurrence of the words in the message (the list at the top). Very strange! What's up? When I checked the spelling using ispell native mode (via the ^_ key), the three words (email, diskette, telnet) were -always- reported; but once I add them to my private dictionary, I'll never see them again. AND ... ispell even told me that 'occurrance' should be spelled 'occurrence' and allows me to make the replacement by pressing just one key! I like ispell. -mr -------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 07:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Use ispell with -pico- ? On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > I just started using Pine last week, and am very interested in seeing your > instructions. I've never used Emacs, and have no interest in using Emacs, > but you have been able to coerce Ispell to work with the Pico editor I'd > LOVE to use it. Everything I've seen so far relates to using ispell with pine, not pico. I just tried the ^_ key in pico, and it is an 'unknown command'. Pine-folks: Is ^_ (alternate composer) supported in -pico-? Is there a .picorc file? Should there be? How can we get ispell (native mode!) to work in -pico-? ---------------- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Using 'ispell' in pine & pico via ^T !!! There -is- a good reason to implement the 'ispell' program via ^T (CTRL-T) (using the script file) in addition to implementing it via ^_ (CTRL-_): - use ^_ in -pine- (it won't work in pico) for full-featured ispell; - use ^T in -pico- to use the ispell program and your .ispell_words dictionary. NOTE -- It will look just like the old ^T spell-checker but it will not flag errors which have been added to your private .ispell_words dictionary. It will -NOT- allow you to "I"nsert words into your privat dictionary, and it will -NOT- offer suggestions for correct spellings. But it is an improvement for pico spell-checking! You can use ^T-ispell in pine also, but why bother when ^_ works better. === end -mr === From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 10:44:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11820; Tue, 31 May 94 10:44:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12135; Tue, 31 May 94 10:36:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12129; Tue, 31 May 94 10:36:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 10:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dicker@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Leah ) Subject: .pinerc--what's in it? Date: 31 May 1994 16:54:09 GMT Message-Id: <2sfq3h$kal@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I was asked to help a client with the following problem (this is the e-mail he sent me). In a flash of stupidity I downloaded a file called .pinerc from >another account into my account which contained a file by the same name. >It seems that the one I downloaded replaced the one I had originally >which resulted in me losing folders and saved messages I had in the pine >program. However when I checked how much disk space i was using I notice >that i was still using as much space as i was before i replaced the >information which makes me think that the information is still there. Is >there any thing i can do? Please respond to my post if you have an answer. Thanks!!!! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Leah J. Dicker College of Education CCSO Microcomputer Consulting University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ****My opinions are my opinions.***** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 10:44:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11850; Tue, 31 May 94 10:44:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12127; Tue, 31 May 94 10:36:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12121; Tue, 31 May 94 10:36:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 10:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jilogan@crl.com (Judy Logan) Subject: Re: ROT 13 Date: 31 May 1994 09:48:45 -0700 Message-Id: <2sfppd$595@crl2.crl.com> References: <2sfbqi$p2r@post.its.mcw.edu> Dean Lois (dmlois@outreach.its.mcw.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know if there is a way to unrotate newsgroup articles that : are mailed to you? I've got several saved in a folder and can't figure : out how to unrotate them. : Thanks, : Dean M. Lois : dmlois@outreach.its.mcw.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 11:25:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13577; Tue, 31 May 94 11:25:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13318; Tue, 31 May 94 11:17:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13312; Tue, 31 May 94 11:17:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 10:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian_MacPhedran@engr.usask.ca (Ian MacPhedran) Subject: Re: RFI - news Date: 31 May 1994 17:41:54 GMT Message-Id: <2sfst2$89i@tribune.usask.ca> References: David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : On Tue, 31 May 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: : > In David L Miller writes: : > : > Please forgive my ignorance, but what and when is Summer Solstice? : > : First day of summer. According to my desk calendar, 1994-June-21 14:48 GMT is the summer solstice this year. (It's a Tuesday.) Ian. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian MacPhedran, Engineering Computer Centre, University of Saskatchewan. 2B13 Engineering Building, U. of S. Campus, Saskatoon, Sask., CANADA S7N 0W0 Phone: (306)966-4832 Fax: (306)966-8710 Email: Ian_MacPhedran@engr.USask.CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 11:51:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14596; Tue, 31 May 94 11:51:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24871; Tue, 31 May 94 11:44:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24865; Tue, 31 May 94 11:44:19 -0700 Received: by stein3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00529; Tue, 31 May 94 11:44:11 -0700 X-Sender: absweger@stein3.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 11:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew B. Sweger" Subject: Re: RFI - news To: Ian MacPhedran Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <2sfst2$89i@tribune.usask.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 May 1994, Ian MacPhedran wrote: > David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > > : On Tue, 31 May 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: > > : > In David L Miller writes: > : > > : > Please forgive my ignorance, but what and when is Summer Solstice? > : > > : First day of summer. > > According to my desk calendar, 1994-June-21 14:48 GMT is the summer solstice > this year. (It's a Tuesday.) In the northern hemi-sphere, that is. Winter Solstice for our friends down under. :) Of course, for those of you in the beyond the orbit of Neptune, 3.90 will have already been released by the time you read this. -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 12:48:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15971; Tue, 31 May 94 12:48:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15268; Tue, 31 May 94 12:42:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15262; Tue, 31 May 94 12:41:58 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 11:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bpn@remus.rutgers.edu (bpn) Subject: [HELP] Where can I get PINE ??? Message-Id: Date: 31 May 94 18:31:43 GMT Hello, Can anyone tell me where can I get PINE ? I already tried emx.cc.utexas.edu but it doesn't allow anonymous ftp. Also, I tried lth.se but PINE is no longer there (or I couldn't find it) Thanks, Binh Nguyen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 13:05:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16970; Tue, 31 May 94 13:05:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15595; Tue, 31 May 94 12:58:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15589; Tue, 31 May 94 12:58:52 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 12:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Rotating 'random' signatures. Date: 31 May 1994 10:54:08 -0700 Message-Id: <2sftk0$hpq@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Someone's bound to ask sooner or later, so here's a simple approach to getting a different signature, chosen at 'random', each time you start up pine. (Getting a random signature each time you enter pine's composer is also possible, but more complicated.) This is for a UNIX system; I tested it on a Sun workstation running Solaris 2.3: -------------------------snip snip snip-------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh - pinesig=$HOME/.pinesig # what 'signature-file=' is in your .pinerc realpine=/usr/local/bin/pine # pathname to the real pine executable sigfile=$HOME/sigs # pathname to your file of signatures # # Write a 'random' signature to signature-file: # /bin/nawk 'BEGIN { RS=""} { sigs[NR] = $0 } END { srand(); print sigs[randint(NR)]} # END { srand(); print "--"; print sigs[randint(NR)]} function randint(n) { return int(n * rand()) + 1}' <$sigfile >$pinesig # # Now run the real pine executable # exec $realpine -------------------------snip snip snip-------------------------------------- Call the script 'pine' and put it somewhere in your $PATH ahead of the real pine executable. The script uses awk to suck in a file of signatures; each signature is separated by a blank line, like so: Jim Davis | "Get the telescope out of the hall closet, Ed." jdavis@cs.arizona.edu | -- Mrs. Bighead Jim Davis | "1.1, 1.2, 1.3, let's rock!" jdavis@cs.arizona.edu | -- Elma 'Cooder' Fingerwood Jim Davis | "I love making him do that." jdavis@cs.arizona.edu | -- Clarissa Darling awk stores the sigs in an array, and then chooses one at 'random' and writes that to your signature-file. Once that's done, the script calls the real pine program. If you want your signature preceded by a "--" line, the way (t)rn does, then uncomment the second END statement (and comment out the first). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 13:05:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16995; Tue, 31 May 94 13:05:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15587; Tue, 31 May 94 12:58:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15581; Tue, 31 May 94 12:58:49 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 12:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mas8y@holmes.acc.virginia.edu (Melanie A. Swain) Subject: Re: Mailing lists in pine In-Reply-To: awong@Emerald.tufts.edu's message of Mon, 30 May 1994 18:22:19 GMT Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:45:57 GMT In article awong@Emerald.tufts.edu (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) writes: Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine From: awong@Emerald.tufts.edu (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 18:22:19 GMT Michael J. O'Neill (mjoneill@clark.net) wrote: : Pine 3.89's .pinerc allows you to filter incoming mail to folders other : than INBOX. Can you tell us what specific lines you have to add? I don't quite understand what are you trying to say here... --Alex Hi, Filtering mail in pine is a two step process. First you have to use a filter program such as elm filter or procmail (both of these filtering programs can be used with any mailer). In the case of the elm filter program, you have to create .elm directory with a filter-rules file. You also have to create a .forward file in your home directory. Then, once you have that, then you only need edit the incoming-folders variable in your .pinerc file. I.e., if you filtered all incoming mail from Bob Smith to your ~/mail/Bob_stuff folder, you would edit the incoming-folders line to read: incoming-folders=~/mail/Bob_stuff If you have more than one incoming folder (I.e., AnotherFolder and LastFolder), you would edit the line to read: incoming-folders=~/mail/Bob_stuff, ~/mail/AnotherFolder, ~/mail/LastFolder For more information, type: man filter -Melanie -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Melanie Swain Information Technology and Communication UNIX User Support University of Virginia mas8y@virginia.edu (804)924-0641 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 13:09:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17133; Tue, 31 May 94 13:09:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15652; Tue, 31 May 94 13:00:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from julian.uwo.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15646; Tue, 31 May 94 13:00:53 -0700 Received: by julian.uwo.ca id AA10293; Tue, 31 May 94 16:00:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 16:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Cote Subject: PINE BUG (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I've had a user run into a conflict with the way Pine handles MIME vs other mailers. I've included his message for the details (headers and all). Thanks. ----------- Mike Cote Information Technology Services (ITS) University of Western Ontario Phone: (519) 661-2151, X 6048 London, Ontario Canada ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Baycroft To: colleen@julian.uwo.ca, mcote@julian.uwo.ca Cc: sys_staff@lib.uwo.ca Subject: PINE BUG I have been installing a new version of elm and I have run into an odd problem with pine. If I am in pine and I receive a message that has a file attachment, if I reply to that message and ask for the current message to be included in my reply, pine also includes the attachment. (This sounds like a bug by itself) OK. Now I am in pine's compose function, and I go to the Attachment line and remove the attachment. I add my comments to the message and send it. Pine does not see fit to remove all of the MIME headers in the message. Although pine seems to be able to ignore all of this baggage in the header and message body, other mail programs like elm treat the message as a MIME message . . . which is a pain given that the message isn't really a MIME message. Is there anyway of fixing this? Or at least reporting the bug? The message that results from the above procedure looks something like: --------------------included stuff------------------------------- >From baycroft Tue May 31 14:57:27 1994 Received: by zoi.lib.uwo.ca id AA18538; Tue, 31 May 94 14:57:26 EDT Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 14:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Baycroft Subject: Re: Another Test To: Mike Baycroft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1915767421-1655458770-770410359:#27094"X-Status: Status: RO This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1915767421-1655458770-770410359:#27094 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 May 1994, Mike Baycroft wrote: > > Yet another test message > > Mike > > Mike Baycroft The University of Western Ontario Libraries > London, Ontario, CANADA, N6A-3K7. > EMAIL: mike.baycroft@uwo.ca baycroft@lib.uwo.ca > Mike Baycroft The University of Western Ontario Libraries London, Ontario, CANADA, N6A-3K7. EMAIL: mike.baycroft@uwo.ca baycroft@lib.uwo.ca --1915767421-1655458770-770410359:#27094-- ----------------------end of included stuff---------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 13:24:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17581; Tue, 31 May 94 13:24:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16167; Tue, 31 May 94 13:14:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16161; Tue, 31 May 94 13:14:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 13:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a2824as@cd1.lrz-muenchen.de (Michael Storz) Subject: Re: Warning: File Attachments in Pine are encrypted Message-Id: <1994May31.184731.1001@news.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <2s9ggo$6mc@news1.digex.net> <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net> Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 18:47:31 GMT In article <2sbc2o$jl4@news1.digex.net>, tdarcos@access1.digex.net (Paul Robinson) writes: |> Terry Gray wrote in |> as follows: Unfortunately I cannot find Terrys message, therefore I must comment Pauls one. |> |> > Paul, Welcome (I think :) to the Pine list/newsgroup, and |> > congratulations on having the first and longest flame since the |> > creation of the newsgroup! The mail from Paul is very long but is definitely no flame, but describes a very annoying feature of pine. |> > In considering how to handle text attachments, we had a very clear |> > choice between: backwards compatibility for recipients who did not yet |> > have MIME compliant software, and the integrity of the attachments. |> > (Without some encoding, attachments would certainly be corrupted by |> > certain mail gateways and/or mail delivery agents. Even text |> > attachments.) This absolutely nonsense. If this would be true, then you MUST encode the first body part of every mail in addition. This is not done, therefore there is definitely no requirement to do it for every attachment. If you do not offer the possibility to specify the content-type of the attachment, then you MUST automatically determine the kind of the attachment. In case of text files used as attachment you have to scan the file which will be attached and determine if it is a text file or not. If the file uses only chars out of US-ASCII then no encoding should be done. If some of the chars are from an 8-bit code then quoted-printable has to be used. BASE64 should be used only for the rest of the files. Using BASE64 always as the encoding means the progam is just not smart enough. |> |> > o Pine is a very popular program. We didn't want Pine to undermine |> > the MIME standard by our using unsafe MIME practices. Using no encoding for US-ASCII, quoted-printable for ISO-... and BASE64 for others is absolutely compliance with the MIME standards. quoted-printable was exactly defined for such purpose. There is no sentence in the whole standard which implies or suggests to use BASE64 for every body part. |> |> > MIME attachments need to be just as reliable as FTP, else users will |> > not be able to depend on MIME. |> They are. FTP has two modes for transfering files, if you remember. One for text files, which is the default and one for binary files and that one you have to request explicitly. > |> > This is just as true for text files as for binary, even though in many |> > cases users might find the corruption of text files to be innocuous. | |> > o There is a workaround for non-MIME recipients, namely using ^R file |> > inclusion, rather than attachments. |> > I agree that this is less |> > convenient, and for large messages less efficient... but we live in |> > a world of compromises. Note that there are also non-Pine |> > alternatives for sending files the way you want, such as the send |> > program that is part of the Metamail MIME package. |> A workaround always means something is broken. |> |> > o The problem is transient, until such time as most recipients have |> > access to MIME-capable software. All of the major mailer vendors |> > have committed to MIME support, though they haven't all delivered |> > yet. And I think most service providers understand that they can't |> > honestly claim Internet mail compatibility without MIME support anymore. Non MIME aware user agents will be around for years. The aim of all extensions made by IETF working groups is backward compatibility. pine is not committed to this. In addition using BASE64 as encoding will increase the size of files at about 30 % . |> > o It is common and uncontroversial for files to be uuencoded for |> > Internet mail transmission, and then to be uudecoded outside of |> > the recipient's mailer. The equivalent functionality is widely |> > available for MIME encoding as well. (An example is John Myer's |> > mpack/munpack program.) No, definitely no. I have seen no one which encodes their text files with uuencode if the charset is US-ASCII, as it is for most mail messages. uuencode is ONLY used for non-US-ASCII text files like files from Wordperfect or MS-Word or for binary files. |> |> > The real goal should be to get everyone into the MIME game as quickly |> > as possible, so rather than trying to get Pine to move backwards and |> > risk undermining the effort because of corrupted attachments, how 'bout |> > leaning on the sites that don't yet provide a way for their clients to |> > handle MIME? It is wishable that everybody uses MIME capable UAs, but this has nothing to do with using the wrong encoding. |> |> The MIME standards are supposed to make the changes transparent to |> someone using non-MIME mail, which this doesn't. -- Michael Storz ================================================================================ ! X.400 : G=Michael;S=Storz;OU=lrz; Leibniz-Rechenzentrum ! P=lrz-muenchen;A=d400;C=de Barer Str. 21 ! RFC822: Michael.Storz@lrz-muenchen.de 80333 Muenchen ! Fax : +49 89 2809460 Germany ! Tel : +49 89 2105-8720 ================================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 13:50:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18744; Tue, 31 May 94 13:50:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16980; Tue, 31 May 94 13:44:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16974; Tue, 31 May 94 13:44:20 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 13:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: [HELP] Where can I get PINE ??? Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The official ftp site for Pine is ftp.cac.washington.edu. There are several other sites that carry part or all of the distribution, but there are no official mirrors at this point. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 May 1994, bpn wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone tell me where can I get PINE ? > I already tried emx.cc.utexas.edu but it doesn't allow anonymous ftp. > Also, I tried lth.se but PINE is no longer there (or I couldn't find it) > > Thanks, > Binh Nguyen > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 14:52:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20577; Tue, 31 May 94 14:52:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18324; Tue, 31 May 94 14:44:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18318; Tue, 31 May 94 14:44:23 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 14:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: df@christa.unh.edu (Daniel Ford) Subject: Re: RFI - news Date: 31 May 1994 20:35:02 GMT Message-Id: <2sg71m$n6o@mozz.unh.edu> References: <2sfst2$89i@tribune.usask.ca> Ian MacPhedran wrote: >David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: >: On Tue, 31 May 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: >: > In David L Miller writes: >: > Please forgive my ignorance, but what and when is Summer Solstice? >: First day of summer. >According to my desk calendar, 1994-June-21 14:48 GMT is the summer solstice >this year. (It's a Tuesday.) Yes, but to all these posters, Greenwich time is 8 hours or more ahead of them, if summer time does not deceive me, so the solstice will come along about sunrise. Still Tuesday, tho. :-) -- - Dan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 15:01:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20814; Tue, 31 May 94 15:01:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18567; Tue, 31 May 94 14:54:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18561; Tue, 31 May 94 14:54:07 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 14:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: greg@hal.COM (Greg Hilton) Subject: Re: Dashed line before .signature Date: 31 May 1994 21:26:03 GMT Message-Id: <2sga1c$3ne@halsoft.com> References: <2sblnr$3h7@clarknet.clark.net> <2sbtra$64l@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Sridhar Venkataraman (sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu) wrote: : Please make sure it is "^-- $" as a regular expression, i.e. two : dashes and a space. That is the convention for starting a signature. : Sridhar. Does anyone know where (and why) this convention originated? Thanks. -- ....................................................................... : Greg Hilton : HaL Software Systems : Austin, Texas : : greg@hal.com : (512)834-9962 x5112 : : :..............:......................:...............................: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 15:01:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20838; Tue, 31 May 94 15:01:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18577; Tue, 31 May 94 14:54:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18569; Tue, 31 May 94 14:54:10 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 14:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harri906@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Harrington) Subject: Do you HAVE to use PICO with PINE? Date: 31 May 1994 20:44:04 GMT Message-Id: <2sg7ik$r44@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> --I am looking to use another editor with pine...something like jove.. Ok, so this is going to ruin my reputation, it is ACTUALLY my users that want jove and pine to work together. I want to so when you hit compose, it will get into jove automatically, and you don't have to first get into pico, and then hit control-whatever to call up jove... I'd also be interested in how pine remaps pico's keys all the time... Thankx a lot -- Dan Harrington Sysop and Gopher Administrator McKee Library Southern College, Collegedale TN -------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 15:25:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21591; Tue, 31 May 94 15:25:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19154; Tue, 31 May 94 15:17:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19140; Tue, 31 May 94 15:17:38 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdbrown@artsci.wustl.edu (Marilyn Dee Brown) Subject: garbled files Date: 31 May 1994 21:32:45 GMT Message-Id: <2sgadt$rrb@bigfoot.wustl.edu> I'm having a major problem re-reading saved read-mail or first reading of new mail if opened in Pine. All words in a single line are in correct order, but lines are completely disordered. Most of the time, lines are intermingled with lines from the previous or the following letter. Needless to say, this is more than a little frustrating. I checked with the help dept. here at WU, but when they look at the mail, it is (to them at least) apparently correct. They therefore had no suggestions. I have now deleted almost all of my read mail but still have the same problem with the remaining few. Suggestions in plain, non-technical English will be welcome. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:01:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22570; Tue, 31 May 94 16:01:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20023; Tue, 31 May 94 15:53:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20017; Tue, 31 May 94 15:53:05 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rarras@mason1.gmu.edu (Raymundo E Arras) Subject: Re: ROT 13 Date: 31 May 1994 21:14:40 GMT Message-Id: <2sg9c0$k9j@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2sfbqi$p2r@post.its.mcw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean Lois (dmlois@outreach.its.mcw.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know if there is a way to unrotate newsgroup articles that : are mailed to you? I've got several saved in a folder and can't figure : out how to unrotate them. : Thanks, : Dean M. Lois : dmlois@outreach.its.mcw.edu Unrotate??? You mean so you can repost them??? Im a little confused on the question..... Is new to me if you can unrotate them??? Can you be a little bit more specific... :") -- "All My Life I said I wanted to be Someone.....I can See Now That I should have Been More Specific..." ---Ray rarras@mason1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:11:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22938; Tue, 31 May 94 16:11:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20246; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20240; Tue, 31 May 94 16:02:59 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rarras@mason1.gmu.edu (Raymundo E Arras) Subject: Re: Binary files in to Pine msg Date: 31 May 1994 21:24:59 GMT Message-Id: <2sg9vb$k9j@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2sdf5s$7is@garuda.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Lo (dragon@csulb.edu) wrote: : How do you read binaries, zip, exe, etc into pine message system? : I want to do in the unix host system, I dial into. Sometime I find a : file in a ftp site and want to e-mail to a friend. : Also, I do uudecode file sent to on pine system. : Note: I want to do it in unix system I dialing into, not on my PC and : then upload it bit by bit. : e-Mail : Dragon@csulb.edu Your messgae is a little unclear...Do ya want to send "zip" files is that it??? if ya do you have to "uuecode" them on Unix.... thats the only problem with "Email" It doesnt support or can't handle machine Code..you have to uuencode a ziped file otherwise the other person will get a screen full of mess!!! :") Also... On an Ftp site.... Samething goes if ya wanna get a "ziped" file or a file you know contains "machine codes" youll have to set it to "binary" "ftp>" should default to binary but Unfortunatly it doesnt... However if ya can get "ncftp" which is a ftp program...that makes everything a little easier....espescially when "ncftp" defaults binary transfers....So....Hmmmm I hope this helps...Maybe Im reading too much into your letter... Someone help me out now!!!!! :") Get back with me.... If Ive made it unclear... -- "All My Life I said I wanted to be Someone.....I can See Now That I should have Been More Specific..." ---Ray rarras@mason1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:13:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23003; Tue, 31 May 94 16:13:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20272; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20266; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:08 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rarras@mason1.gmu.edu (Raymundo E Arras) Subject: Re: Pine spelling checker user word list?...does one exist? Date: 31 May 1994 21:36:28 GMT Message-Id: <2sgaks$k9j@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2s8rhc$f00@strauss.udel.edu> <1994May30.151514.5992@math.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Alfeld (calfeld@eratosth) wrote: : Thomas R Rocek (rocek@strauss.udel.edu) wrote: : : I am using Unix pine, and our system has a spelling checker built in. I like : : using it, but I haven't been able to figure out any way to store words : : (like my name or e-mail address) that appear in every message...so each : : time I use the checker, I have to tell it to ignore each of these words. : : Is there a way of creating a user word list which the pine spelling checker : : will recognize, so that it doesn't flag those words as misspelled? Thanks : : a lot for any advice...Tom Rocek : No, but what you can do is set the SPELL environmental variable to a spell : checker (i.e. ispell) that uses user word lists. : -- : -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) I heard you can create your own dictionary... And then have pine go into it... Setting the SPELL enviorment... One word per line.... Hmmmm Lots of words huh??? Heheh :") -- "All My Life I said I wanted to be Someone.....I can See Now That I should have Been More Specific..." ---Ray rarras@mason1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:14:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23060; Tue, 31 May 94 16:14:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20264; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20256; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:04 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rarras@mason1.gmu.edu (Raymundo E Arras) Subject: Re: pine & ^Z Date: 31 May 1994 21:30:16 GMT Message-Id: <2sga98$k9j@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2seiu4$og@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janne Puustinen (jop@me.oulu.fi) wrote: : David Clark (clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us) wrote: : > How do I enable the suspension feature in Pine. Previously when using : > elm I could hit ^Z at any time to pop me back to my unix prompt & drop : > elm into the background. When I do this in pine however I get a : Simply add "enable-suspend" in feature-list variable in .pinerc file, : located in your homedirectory. So, change that line to look like: : feature-list=enable-suspend : As you can see, that file is really nicely documented and you can : probably find many other neat features in there. : Hopefully this helps.. : ++Janne Hmmm Shouldnt pine accept this automaticly???? My does.. I can get out no problem with "control Z" Wonder why that happens to David...???? -- "All My Life I said I wanted to be Someone.....I can See Now That I should have Been More Specific..." ---Ray rarras@mason1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:15:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23083; Tue, 31 May 94 16:15:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20254; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20248; Tue, 31 May 94 16:03:01 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rarras@mason1.gmu.edu (Raymundo E Arras) Subject: Re: forwarding for a new email address Date: 31 May 1994 21:26:19 GMT Message-Id: <2sga1r$k9j@portal.gmu.edu> References: <1994May30.172732.12186@emba.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason Guy (vantage@ritz.mordor.com) wrote: : Michael D. Upton (mupton@moose.uvm.edu) wrote: : : I am moving and will have a new email address in a few weeks. I already : : know what that address will be. I there any way for me to have any mail : : that is sent to me at my old address forwarded to me at the new address? : I just found this out recently: create a .forward file with the following : line: : : And assign world-read privilges to it. : Bingo. Now thats Cool.... -- "All My Life I said I wanted to be Someone.....I can See Now That I should have Been More Specific..." ---Ray rarras@mason1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:39:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23597; Tue, 31 May 94 16:39:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21031; Tue, 31 May 94 16:32:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21025; Tue, 31 May 94 16:32:51 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 16:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cs2dw@herts.ac.uk (Crilly) Subject: Re: pine & ^Z Date: 31 May 1994 23:37:38 +0100 Message-Id: <2sge7i$jmm@altair.herts.ac.uk> References: <2seiu4$og@ousrvr.oulu.fi> <2sga98$k9j@portal.gmu.edu> Raymundo E Arras wrote: >Hmmm Shouldnt pine accept this automaticly???? My does.. I can get >out no problem with "control Z" Wonder why that happens to David...???? That must be because your sysadmin have enabled that feature for all users. Type `pine -conf` and look at the feature list. You should find that "enable-suspend" is one of the features. By default, ^Z is disabled unless setup otherwise in your own .pinerc file or in the system-wide one. Liam. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 16:49:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23829; Tue, 31 May 94 16:49:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21298; Tue, 31 May 94 16:43:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21292; Tue, 31 May 94 16:43:30 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 16:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bc@inca.gate.net (Bob Curtis) Subject: Re: Easy way to read WP file into Pine msg? Date: 31 May 1994 19:16:36 -0400 Message-Id: <2sgggk$fqd@inca.gate.net> References: <2sd80h$q3b@crl.crl.com> Hal Blacker (hblacker@crl.com) wrote: : Is there an easy way to read word-processing files into pine mail? I go : through a multi-step process (outlined below). Even doing this, for some : reason I often lose the last line or so of the file. This is what I do: : 1. Save the wp51 file as ascii text. : 2. Upload to server. : 3. Convert to unix, using "dos2unix (filename) > (new filename)". This : is necessary to get rid of the ^M's. I'd like to do the same thing, but the command "dos2unix" is not available on my system. Is there a PC version that I can run locally before I upload the file? What's it called? Alternately, is there another command I could use, once the file is on the Unix server? : 4. Using ^R, I read the file into the message portion of letter. Thanks in advance Bob Curtis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 17:56:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25656; Tue, 31 May 94 17:56:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03921; Tue, 31 May 94 17:50:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shark.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03911; Tue, 31 May 94 17:50:31 -0700 Received: by shark.mel.dit.csiro.au id AA05318 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/DIT-1.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 1 Jun 1994 10:50:45 +1000 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 10:50:44 +1000 (EST) From: Simon McClenahan Subject: Yet another plea for pine-info in DIGEST format To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi again, In the time space of approx. 10 hours, I have received exactly 39 email messages from this list (most of them asking "how do I do this? Where's the FAQ?"). I (and Australia?) haven't got comp.mail.pine yet, so I don't know if this message is being sent to the newsgroup. Please ignore if you are reading this through news. I would think that approx. 100 messages within a 24-hour period is enough justification to implement some sort of digest-readable format for those of us whose primary use of pine is to read email about anything else NOT to do with pine! My inbox is in your hands. Pine roolz, elm sux. I just wish I could look at my inbox index and say "wow, there's some important email over there, I better read that first. Thank goodness I subscribe to all high-volume email lists in digest format!" ... yes, I know about procmail. cheers, Simon.McClenahan@mel.dit.csiro.au \CSIRO Supercomputing Support Group CSIRO Division of Information Technology\ tel: +61 3 282 2623 723 Swanston St, Carlton 3053 AUSTRALIA \ fax: +61 3 282 2600 CIA SECRET: Proof of P=NP found in UFO! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 19:37:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27370; Tue, 31 May 94 19:37:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24391; Tue, 31 May 94 19:25:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24385; Tue, 31 May 94 19:25:40 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 19:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phys169@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Aitchison - Physics and Astronomy Computologist) Subject: Can pine...? Date: 1 Jun 94 14:00:36 +1200 Message-Id: <1994Jun1.140036.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> I use pine on a Unix system, but don't know if I have the latest version (it mentions 3.0 at the start), and haven't tried any pc versions. That doesn't stop me from asking lots of idiot questions, though... ;-) so here goes: 1) Is there an OS/2 version of pine (one that interacts with OS/2's own sendmail, perhaps, in place of LaMail, and supports drag-and-drop)? 2) Is it possible to get Pine to respond to encoded files sent from Pegasus mail users (that extract into the right format automatically when read by Pegasus mail, but need manual mucking around with otherwise)? Pegasus mail, IMHO, has probably the nicest user interface of any mailer I've used, with pine second. 3) I sometimes use pine from terminals with local printers attached, sometimes not - but I want to use the L (local print) key in both cases - using the default lpr command if a local printer doesn't exist - can this be set up? I can't print to an attached printer from a Unix script at the moment, so I really want to put something like environment variables in my .pinerc file. 4) Can I select a group of messages that contain a given string, as I can in VAX VMS mail? Not just search through them, displaying the messages in turn. 5) What is involved in getting pine on a PC (Linux or DOS or whatever) to use a pop3 daemon on the other end of a modem? That is, have people read mail at home (without their PC being a mail node per se), and marking mail they have read off the list so when they come in to work later on they don't see it a second time as new? Thanks for any responses, Mark Aitchison. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 20:25:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27938; Tue, 31 May 94 20:25:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25159; Tue, 31 May 94 20:18:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25153; Tue, 31 May 94 20:18:20 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 20:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (Ed Greshko) Subject: gateway to pine-info Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 00:37:19 GMT Message-Id: I voted for this new group with the understanding that the information will be di-directionally gatewayed with the original pine-info mail list. It seems that the gateway is not quite right. I've responed to a few requests on pine-info but never saw the message on comp.mail.pine is anyone seeing the same thing? (Yes, this is a test to see if it makes it to pine-info from comp.mail.pine. :-) ) -- Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 21:09:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28388; Tue, 31 May 94 21:09:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25835; Tue, 31 May 94 21:04:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25829; Tue, 31 May 94 21:04:37 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 20:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jwidner@infinet.com (James F. Widner) Subject: Re: avoid term= prompt Date: 1 Jun 1994 03:42:44 GMT Message-Id: <2sh03k$aug@rigel.infinet.com> References: john glasscock (jglassco@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote: : I want to avoid having to answer the query about TERM = (vt100) each : time I login. What command do I use to get to avoid this annoying : question? What other neat things might I add to my .login and .pinerc : files? : We are using PINE 3.09 currently on dedicated mailservers. Below is my : login file. : ----begin login file---- : #!/bin/csh : set path=(/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/bin .) : umask 077 : mesg y : stty -tabs eof ^D kill ^U erase ^\? intr ^C quit ^O stop ^S susp ^Z dsusp ^Y : stty hupcl ixon ixoff tostop : source /usr/local/lib/do_tset : if ( -f .firstlogin ) then : rm -f .firstlogin : if ( -f /usr/local/lib/ezmail/ezmail.info ) then : more /usr/local/lib/ezmail/ezmail.info : echo "\nHit or to continue\c" : read : endif : endif : setenv EDITOR emacs : date : echo "Entering the Pine mail program." : pine -f inbox -i : echo "You will now be logged out of EZMail." : clear : logout : ---end .login file---- : Any help will be appreciated. Thanks! : -- : John Glasscock jglassco@ucs.indiana.edu : 100 N. Jefferson tel: 812-336-0246 : Bloomington, IN 47408 Indiana University : USA Just add a term=" to your .login file. Eg. term="vt220" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Widner | jwidner@infinet.com Columbus, Ohio | jwidner@onetouch.com | JimWidner@aol.com "Language most shows a man: | CompuServe: 74566,3041 Speak, that I May see thee" - Jonson | GEnie: J.WIDNER From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 23:13:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00486; Tue, 31 May 94 23:13:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27711; Tue, 31 May 94 23:04:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27705; Tue, 31 May 94 23:04:47 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 22:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Do you HAVE to use PICO with PINE? Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 22:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2sg7ik$r44@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> Pine 3.90 will have an option to allow you to enter the alternate editor automatically when entering the body of the message, but the composer will still be used for the headers. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 May 1994, Harrington wrote: > > --I am looking to use another editor with pine...something like > jove.. > Ok, so this is going to ruin my reputation, it is ACTUALLY my > users that want jove and pine to work together. > I want to so when you hit compose, it will get into jove > automatically, and you don't have to first get into pico, and then hit > control-whatever to call up jove... > I'd also be interested in how pine remaps pico's keys all the time... > Thankx a lot > > -- > Dan Harrington > Sysop and Gopher Administrator > McKee Library > Southern College, Collegedale TN > -------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 23:13:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00506; Tue, 31 May 94 23:13:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27719; Tue, 31 May 94 23:04:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27713; Tue, 31 May 94 23:04:50 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 22:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Can pine...? Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 22:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Jun1.140036.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> On 1 Jun 1994, Mark Aitchison - Physics and Astronomy Computologist wrote: > I use pine on a Unix system, but don't know if I have the latest version (it > mentions 3.0 at the start), and haven't tried any pc versions. That doesn't > stop me from asking lots of idiot questions, though... ;-) so here goes: > > 1) Is there an OS/2 version of pine (one that interacts with OS/2's own > sendmail, perhaps, in place of LaMail, and supports drag-and-drop)? > Not yet. We do not have any plans to do an OS/2 port, but there have been several requests for one... > 3) I sometimes use pine from terminals with local printers attached, sometimes > not - but I want to use the L (local print) key in both cases - using the > default lpr command if a local printer doesn't exist - can this be set up? > I can't print to an attached printer from a Unix script at the moment, so > I really want to put something like environment variables in my .pinerc file. > There is a tiny program called ansiprt in the Pine source distribution (contrib/utils directory) that can be used to print from a shell script called by the custom print option... > 4) Can I select a group of messages that contain a given string, as I can in > VAX VMS mail? Not just search through them, displaying the messages in turn. > This is coming in Pine 3.90. > 5) What is involved in getting pine on a PC (Linux or DOS or whatever) to use > a pop3 daemon on the other end of a modem? That is, have people read mail > at home (without their PC being a mail node per se), and marking mail they > have read off the list so when they come in to work later on they don't see > it a second time as new? > Pine does not currently support POP. You can use IMAP over a SLIP/PPP or term connection though... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue May 31 23:19:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00626; Tue, 31 May 94 23:19:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27916; Tue, 31 May 94 23:14:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27910; Tue, 31 May 94 23:14:55 -0700 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.5) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 23:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: janderso@teetot.acusd.edu (James Anderson) Subject: Re: Easy way to read WP file into Pine msg? Message-Id: <1994Jun1.053119.18299@teetot.acusd.edu> References: <2sd80h$q3b@crl.crl.com> <2sgggk$fqd@inca.gate.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 94 05:31:19 GMT In article <2sgggk$fqd@inca.gate.net> bc@inca.gate.net (Bob Curtis) writes: >Hal Blacker (hblacker@crl.com) wrote: >: 3. Convert to unix, using "dos2unix (filename) > (new filename)". This >: is necessary to get rid of the ^M's. > >I'd like to do the same thing, but the command "dos2unix" is not >available on my system. Is there a PC version that I can run locally >before I upload the file? What's it called? You may be able to make the conversion during the upload process. For example, I upload from my PC to the server using Zmodem. I first give the Unix command "rz -a" to the server; the "-a" gets rid of the ^M's. -- Jim Anderson Department of Philosophy janderso@teetot.acusd.edu University of San Diego